@DBrim: Actually, it's not just a service pack as it re-writes major portions of the OS. Leopard is not a true 64 bit os. It's a hybrid 64/32 bit OS. Snow Leopard fixes that, graphics rendering, and a bunch of other things that were frankly dragging the OS down.
And if you'll notice, they're only charging $29 for the upgrade. Which last I knew was far better than ANYTHING Microsoft had put forth, and considering how bad VISTA is, they had really better cut their customers a huge financial break.
I don't consider major system re-writes to be just a service pack. I consider a service pack to be a roll-up of existing system patches already to market, plus a few new ones. Apple just released 10.5.7 recently which was some 450 megs?
Not to mention, the new OS takes up 6 gigs less space than than 10.5 does. Something Neither Vista or Windows 7 can claim.
If MS released a package similar to SL it would be free. The major rewrite you are talking about is something that they had promised to devs forever ago. WTF do you think cocoa was for... Jesus wake up
The OS takes up 6gb less because they killed PPC support AND SP2 for Vista did clean up space.
What's the point in even responding... Go drink some more kool aid fanboi.
@UnderLoK: Actually, if you look above, you'll see where I'm interested in both Win7, and Snow Leopard. But Vista does not run, "Just fine", I support it daily, I use it daily. Hell I use it more than I use MacOS. It's bloated, slow, buggy, and well, like every iteration of Windows since 95 it likes to eat itself to death over time. Only, faster.
If Vista ran "Just fine" then Microsoft wouldn't have had to spend $300 million on a marketing campaign to rebrand Vista as Mojave.
XP is a superior OS to Vista. Period. I'm not "drinking the kooliad". As for how they recovered 6 gig of OS space, if you'd actually bothered to do your homework you'd know why it's smaller. They even said so during the keynote yesterday. If you think Cocoa and PPC support was 6 gig worth of code, you're insane.
Let's take a look at Vista objectively compared to XP. The same applications run slower, and use more memory running under Vista than XP. There were lawsuits filed against Microsoft over its Vista Ready program.
When installing a program that requires administrative access to do so, it will prompt you to cancel your install and re-start it as administrator. OSX simply pops up a prompt and asks you to type in your password. XP doesn't even bother you with this at all. I really liked XP as an OS. It was far superior to 2000 Pro.
But, no, I don't "Fail" the moment I talk about how bad Vista runs. Only pathetic wannabes throw out words like "fail" and "Kool-aid" when trying to make a point. Which, in you're case you haven't made any point.
As for SP2 for Vista cleaning up space... No, not really. It merely cleans up archived versions of files it replaces. Overall it uses about an additional 1 gig of drive space after installation.
But, what the hell do I know? Obviously I'm just a "failed" fanboi drinking the "kool-aid" because I can appreciate that OSX is a good OS, and definitely a superior one to Vista. Windows 7? Not so much, and I can't say that I will consider Snow Leopard better than Windows 7. Right now it is likely I won't.
Sorry, I don't worship at the altar of Microsoft. When they release a shitty product, I call them on it. Same goes for Apple, or even crummy Linux distributions.
So far it looks like Windows 7 is going to jump ahead of OSX in ability and cleanliness of function. I think the only saving grace would be if Snow Leopard managed to really nail the performance improvements that Apple is aiming for.
I use the hell out of expose, and it's one of the best things about OS X, but this is a really trivial update to the app which I'll probably never use. I don't know if applause is really warranted here.
@mullingitover: I live and breath exposé hot corners and, like you, I don't really see this update affecting me. Command+tabbing to an application and then triggering exposé for that apps windows seems easier than dragging it to the dock and waiting. Though, I guess if you can set the reaction time to be instantaneous it might be a worthy alternative.
I'm jealous because you have Malware, Bloatware and SOooooo many more viruses than I do. And if your not tech savvy, you have to pay someone to keep your puter up to speed and your hard drive clean and your *OS functional.
@Bodie1550: If your an idiot and click YES and OK on every window that pops up what do you expect? I would also assume that since your not savvy you didn't know that is also how you get a baddie on a Mac.
But then again why should you believe me... I'm not on an Apple commercial.
But the YES and OK windows take so much time and interrupt the flow of your computing, so while their intentions may be good, the fact that they need to exist is not good and assumes you don't know what's up.
Also your last line about Mac users believing every Apple commercial undermines whatever you say by generalizing an entire group of users. Nice going. Who were you trying to convince that Windows users are intelligent? Current Windows users? Way to alienate the group you should be trying to convince.
@dagamer34: I think you can with the 'external harddrive' mode. You can install snow leopard on a different external harddrive and launch it from there.
@Justin Flood: I did something like this to test it out, without having to be dependent on pre-release software. If loaded onto an external firewire drive (or bootable eSATA if you have one), you're pretty much set.
Dunno why anyone was expecting anything on the iPod touch for the WWDC. Even though it's basically a non-telephony iPhone, it's still an iPod, and they don't get updates until the fall....normally.
Too bad I'm a miner, and I don't live anywhere near there. It's much different out here in the middle of the Sierras. Miners are allowed in bars, we just can't drink unless we've struck gold. (Yeehaw!!!) Not that that has stopped many people...
Better this, faster that, look look at my weewee it is also bigger...
I thought this was serious blog, but filling entire page with stupid iphone is just too much. IT GOT ONE LETTER IN ITS NAME, LET US ALL REJOICE and massively kill ourselves in celebrating new spitout from apple!
Funny thing it is called "phone", when it is clear it's not.
Call me crazy, but I think you all should get mental help. Seriously. Like, now. Go go go...
Now, before we get started with the return flame, let us point out that there is a button to filter Apple news from the website.
As today was WWDC, it's generally going to be a very APPLE HEAVY DAY. It happens periodically here. Just like some weeks we have a lot of information on the Pre, or Windows 7, or any number of other topics.
But, apple news brings in views, and views brings in money. Can't blame them for wanting to eat and keep the lights on here.
Now that the niceties are done. Go home. If you cannot post anything worthwhile, informative, or interesting, really. Just go home.
You have posted her a total of 4 times. None of those posts seem to be informative, interesting, worthwhile, or conversation starting beyond your periodic trolling.
You are the reason that facebookers have a bad name here.
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Which, I haven't seen demo'd yet.
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Leopard wasn't a service pack like many asserted (it actually added features), but this is since it adds nothing.
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And if you'll notice, they're only charging $29 for the upgrade. Which last I knew was far better than ANYTHING Microsoft had put forth, and considering how bad VISTA is, they had really better cut their customers a huge financial break.
I don't consider major system re-writes to be just a service pack. I consider a service pack to be a roll-up of existing system patches already to market, plus a few new ones. Apple just released 10.5.7 recently which was some 450 megs?
Not to mention, the new OS takes up 6 gigs less space than than 10.5 does. Something Neither Vista or Windows 7 can claim.
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If MS released a package similar to SL it would be free. The major rewrite you are talking about is something that they had promised to devs forever ago. WTF do you think cocoa was for... Jesus wake up
The OS takes up 6gb less because they killed PPC support AND SP2 for Vista did clean up space.
What's the point in even responding... Go drink some more kool aid fanboi.
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If Vista ran "Just fine" then Microsoft wouldn't have had to spend $300 million on a marketing campaign to rebrand Vista as Mojave.
XP is a superior OS to Vista. Period. I'm not "drinking the kooliad". As for how they recovered 6 gig of OS space, if you'd actually bothered to do your homework you'd know why it's smaller. They even said so during the keynote yesterday. If you think Cocoa and PPC support was 6 gig worth of code, you're insane.
Let's take a look at Vista objectively compared to XP. The same applications run slower, and use more memory running under Vista than XP. There were lawsuits filed against Microsoft over its Vista Ready program.
When installing a program that requires administrative access to do so, it will prompt you to cancel your install and re-start it as administrator. OSX simply pops up a prompt and asks you to type in your password. XP doesn't even bother you with this at all. I really liked XP as an OS. It was far superior to 2000 Pro.
But, no, I don't "Fail" the moment I talk about how bad Vista runs. Only pathetic wannabes throw out words like "fail" and "Kool-aid" when trying to make a point. Which, in you're case you haven't made any point.
As for SP2 for Vista cleaning up space... No, not really. It merely cleans up archived versions of files it replaces. Overall it uses about an additional 1 gig of drive space after installation.
But, what the hell do I know? Obviously I'm just a "failed" fanboi drinking the "kool-aid" because I can appreciate that OSX is a good OS, and definitely a superior one to Vista. Windows 7? Not so much, and I can't say that I will consider Snow Leopard better than Windows 7. Right now it is likely I won't.
Sorry, I don't worship at the altar of Microsoft. When they release a shitty product, I call them on it. Same goes for Apple, or even crummy Linux distributions.
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But, we'll see I guess. I'll end up buying both.
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I use the hell out of expose, and it's one of the best things about OS X, but this is a really trivial update to the app which I'll probably never use. I don't know if applause is really warranted here.
protip: it's all about expose + hot corners.
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I'm jealous because you have Malware, Bloatware and SOooooo many more viruses than I do. And if your not tech savvy, you have to pay someone to keep your puter up to speed and your hard drive clean and your *OS functional.
Yawn.
* Oh Shit!
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But then again why should you believe me... I'm not on an Apple commercial.
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But the YES and OK windows take so much time and interrupt the flow of your computing, so while their intentions may be good, the fact that they need to exist is not good and assumes you don't know what's up.
Also your last line about Mac users believing every Apple commercial undermines whatever you say by generalizing an entire group of users. Nice going. Who were you trying to convince that Windows users are intelligent? Current Windows users? Way to alienate the group you should be trying to convince.
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Well that was pointless...
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I thought this was serious blog, but filling entire page with stupid iphone is just too much. IT GOT ONE LETTER IN ITS NAME, LET US ALL REJOICE and massively kill ourselves in celebrating new spitout from apple!
Funny thing it is called "phone", when it is clear it's not.
Call me crazy, but I think you all should get mental help. Seriously. Like, now. Go go go...
06/08/09
Now, before we get started with the return flame, let us point out that there is a button to filter Apple news from the website.
As today was WWDC, it's generally going to be a very APPLE HEAVY DAY. It happens periodically here. Just like some weeks we have a lot of information on the Pre, or Windows 7, or any number of other topics.
But, apple news brings in views, and views brings in money. Can't blame them for wanting to eat and keep the lights on here.
Now that the niceties are done. Go home. If you cannot post anything worthwhile, informative, or interesting, really. Just go home.
You have posted her a total of 4 times. None of those posts seem to be informative, interesting, worthwhile, or conversation starting beyond your periodic trolling.
You are the reason that facebookers have a bad name here.
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