@dragon:ONE: I agree, there should have some sort of program that lets you upgrade 1 year before the end of your contract, but you pay slightly more for the phone
@Gundem: really it doesnt make sense as to why they got rid of it... because if they still had that option then they would had sold alot more 3gs's then they did. Because all of the fanboys upgraded to the 3g, but they couldn't upgrade to the 3gs.
@reluttr: EXACTLY. I wouldn't mind paying a little more for a Tilt2 earlier than having to wait it out until 2011 for any chance of upgrade (they say I can upgrade 'early' to iPhone 3G... on the same date in 2011 as my regular upgrade.)
Of course, the other route for us WinMo users is to fake out enough hardware/warranty replacements that they just decide "screw it, we'll send you a Tilt2".
Since from what I've seen, that's what most Sprint users are doing, after all, with their Touch Pros, and coercing Sprint to give them TP2s.
@Kaiser-Machead: You realize that there are more people on AT&T who are willing to get something other than an iPhone than people on T-Mo who get Android phones....
I, for one, am extremely glad to see that there's a high possibility that the X10 might be AT&T's first Android phone.
@WingedGenius: Seconded. While I have been less than thrilled with the set of Android phones T-Mo's gotten (really? the CLIQ is the best we can do?), AT&T's got nothing. And as much as I dislike AT&T, more Android exposure is better for the platform as a whole. Sprint and Verizon both have solid Android phones (Hero, Droid). If AT&T just ended up with a CLIQ or something, well, that's not exactly a great Android flagship.
Then again, I was personally waiting for something a little more rugged to come to T-Mo to replace my G1. Or just wait til my contract is up and go back to Verizon. ;-)
In all fairness, they do cost quite a bit to make and keep in mind that this is off contract. I'm pretty sure the 3GS costs just about as much off-contract.
@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher:: Yeah, it's a lot but it's not really that outrageous. After all, it does have some killer internals, even if some folks are skeptical about the design.
@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher:: Yep, I was just about to say that. Just checked, they were about 950 to 1050 without a contract. So 880 for a 1 Ghz phone is surpising only because it is so cheap. I'd except this to be subsidized down to about the 150 range.
Btw, I doubt the plastic exterior will make the final cut for the device.
@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher:: Actually, 6000 Swedish kronor is just slightly cheaper than the off contract price of a 3GS 16GB or a HTC HD2 in Denmark right now.
I assume that prices are about the same in Sweden, so it's really not that shocking.
Even despite the so-so videos, I'm still cautiously optimistic about this phone. I think with a little more optimization, it could end up being a killer phone. The only near deal breaker for me right now is the lack of a physical keyboard, but if SE manages to deliver in the end, I may overlook that and get one of these to replace my (much beloved) G1.
Edit: but of course, that all also depends on whether or not I can get it at a very reduced price on contract through T-Mobile.
@otko: Like the other conversation we were having though I don't know if its an end all win for Sony though. Sony needs a US flagship carrier phone. They've shown time and time again they're getting closer with the hardware and the software, they just need the name recognition now. I'd be amazed if many people even know that sony makes cell phones in the US.
I imagine they'll do something like Nokia is doing with the n900. Offer up an unlocked one for the people that really want to go that way but really put a push out for a carrier subsidized phone.
@tande04: That would be ideal. I could see that being a very smart move for SE. Nobody ever says "Hey, how about that new Sony Ericsson phone". I would be very happy to make this my next phone if it were to land on T-Mobile. I've always liked the Xperia line-especially being that HTC really built them. I don't like how chunky it is but you can throw that in the list of non-deal breakers if it's picked up and subsidized. That big screen, the Nexus on top of Android-it would be a sweet fight for mothers love between the Droid and the X10.
And here I thought they went out of business a decade ago. They're still alive? I used to work with a guy who had his house heavily stocked with X10 controllers and loved them. I think they're novel but never much felt the need to have this much control over my appliances.
That said, this remote looks awesome namely due to the "His" and 'Hers" buttons. Hilarious, yet not a bad idea!
@beartrash: I've had it work great for how I use it (lamps in apt's w/ no overhead lights) The big problem I have now is that with everything going to CF bulbs, the dimming doesn't work any more.
Is it wrong for me to question any technology that has been around since the King James era and has barely evolved since then? They had an X10 control cartridge for the VIC-20.
In a day when we want to control our entire home via a simple one buck iPhone App, is it reasonable to think we should be buying a billion RF boxes to control each device in our home separately with a barely acceptable remote control? Yes, there are a lot of add-on items for X10 technology, and I don't mean to dismiss that - but there is just something about this that seems way out of date, even to the old guy typing this.
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@#$%#@ upgrade cycle.
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Of course, the other route for us WinMo users is to fake out enough hardware/warranty replacements that they just decide "screw it, we'll send you a Tilt2".
Since from what I've seen, that's what most Sprint users are doing, after all, with their Touch Pros, and coercing Sprint to give them TP2s.
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I, for one, am extremely glad to see that there's a high possibility that the X10 might be AT&T's first Android phone.
11/21/09
Then again, I was personally waiting for something a little more rugged to come to T-Mo to replace my G1. Or just wait til my contract is up and go back to Verizon. ;-)
11/21/09
will not work.
edit, if it is the 1700 band i am not sure, i know most of the world uses a 2100 that is not compatible with t-mobiles 3g,
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Btw, I doubt the plastic exterior will make the final cut for the device.
11/19/09
I assume that prices are about the same in Sweden, so it's really not that shocking.
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Edit: but of course, that all also depends on whether or not I can get it at a very reduced price on contract through T-Mobile.
11/18/09
When I look back at all the gadgets I used, surprizingly it's the ones I was more "meh" about that ended up being used the most...
11/18/09
*crossingfingers*
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I imagine they'll do something like Nokia is doing with the n900. Offer up an unlocked one for the people that really want to go that way but really put a push out for a carrier subsidized phone.
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10/02/09
That said, this remote looks awesome namely due to the "His" and 'Hers" buttons. Hilarious, yet not a bad idea!
10/01/09
It's never been very reliable, it would often take two or three attempts to issue an on/off or dim command.
Crap product.
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In a day when we want to control our entire home via a simple one buck iPhone App, is it reasonable to think we should be buying a billion RF boxes to control each device in our home separately with a barely acceptable remote control? Yes, there are a lot of add-on items for X10 technology, and I don't mean to dismiss that - but there is just something about this that seems way out of date, even to the old guy typing this.