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    Image of bkchurch: The one guy who didn't buy Modern Warfare 2 bkchurch: The one guy who didn't buy Modern Warfare 2
    12/16/09

    In reply to Tegra 2 Coming in January: Nvidia Promises Netbooks, Smartphones and Smartbooks Galore
    Wouldn't it be funny if Nintendo's first HD capable system was a handheld?
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    12/16/09

    @bkchurch: The one guy who didn't buy Modern Warfare 2: DSi HD via a Tegra 2 chip? Interesting. And not a bad idea depending on how strong the chip is.
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    Image of OMG_changed_my_name! OMG_changed_my_name!
    12/16/09

    In reply to Tegra 2 Coming in January: Nvidia Promises Netbooks, Smartphones and Smartbooks Galore
    "What we still don't know is what that means: If the original Tegra could decode 1080p video, what can the new one do? Decode 1080p video more enthusiastically?"

    It's really not that tough. If the Tegra 1 could decode 1080p video, then the new one can probably do it with lower CPU utilization and power consumption. I'm surprised the writers at Giz weren't able to guess that.

    Beyond that, I'm sure Nvidia improved the 3D performance of the chip, and hopefully went for an ARM Cortex A8 CPU instead of ARM 11.
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    Image of istuptinosil istuptinosil
    12/16/09

    In reply to Tegra 2 Coming in January: Nvidia Promises Netbooks, Smartphones and Smartbooks Galore
    The Tegra is built by NVIDIA, leaving Zune fans to suggest that it delivers industry leading, desktop-gaming type graphics that far exceed the capabilities of industry-standard mobile graphics. However, Tegra isn’t a scaled down version of NVIDIA’s PC graphics GPUs. The Tegra’s CPU/GPU package also uses DDR1 memory, introducing significant real world RAM bandwidth limits no matter how powerful the embedded GPU core is rated to be in theoretical terms.
    In contrast, the modern Cortex-A8 used in the iPhone 3GS, Palm Pre, Nokia N900, and Pandora game console represents the latest generation of ARM CPU cores. It also employs a DDR2 memory interface, erasing a serious performance bottleneck hobbling the Zune HD’s Tegra. It’s difficult to make fair and direct comparisons between different generations of technology, but NVIDIA’s own demonstrations of Tegra’s ARM11/integrated graphics show it achieving 35 fps in Quake III. The same software running on Pandora’s Coretex-A8 with SGX GPU core achieves 40-60 fps.
    onsense as it simply counts logical blocks common to all embedded SoC parts as “cores.” The CPU in the Tegra is a single ARM11 core. Even if the Tegra did supply multiple CPU cores, the Windows CE kernel used by the Zune HD doesn’t support multi-core SMP so it couldn’t make any use of them. Again, if you’re wondering why Microsoft was able to score the NVIDIA Tegra “before” Apple, it wasn’t due to any mobile industry clout or hardware experience on Microsoft’s end, but rather simply due to the fact that Apple has its own resources for designing and building advanced, state of the art mobile processors, and didn’t need to buy into the desperate hype NVIDIA is using to promote the runner up technology of Apple’s former SoC vendor.
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    12/16/09

    @istuptinosil: that's really interesting. I wonder if Tegra 2 has solved the DDR1 issue and raised the FPS scores. Eventually I suppose that benchmarking phone graphic prowess will become a normal thing to do before buying. I bet that someday we will all be able to "upgrade" our phone GPU's when they become outdated (may be not...pipedream).
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    Image of iansilv iansilv
    12/16/09

    In reply to Tegra 2 Coming in January: Nvidia Promises Netbooks, Smartphones and Smartbooks Galore
    Oh wow iPhone 3.1? IPHONE POWNS EVERYTHING! EVERYTHING ELSE IS STUPID.

    There, folks I have set the lower end of the bar for comments on Tegra 2.

    and now that I have done this, no one else needs to. Standards can increase from here.
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    CommentingpointlesslyisMeh promoted this comment iansilv was starred iansilv was unstarred
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    12/16/09

    @iansilv: You know, surprisingly enough, you don't really hear that kind of stuff here. Engadget has plenty of fan boi commenting but I rarely see it here. I think it has to do with how promoting threads, like what I'm doing right now, and the fact that stars are given out by the editors keeps Gizmodo pretty clean. It also seems that they will ban you easily if you are an idiot, which also helps.
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    Image of iansilv iansilv
    12/16/09

    @CommentingpointlesslyisMeh: But, what if you aren't really an idiot, but sometimes you post like one, because you are a stressed out lawschool student? Can I still get a star? :)
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    Image of CommentingpointlesslyisMeh CommentingpointlesslyisMeh
    12/16/09

    @iansilv: Lol. I wasn't calling you an idiot. I have no idea how you can get a star. I got one commenting during a semi-live chat about BD-Live Terminator 4 .
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    Image of DennyCraneDennyCraneDennyCrane DennyCraneDennyCraneDennyCrane
    12/16/09

    In reply to Tegra 2 Coming in January: Nvidia Promises Netbooks, Smartphones and Smartbooks Galore
    I would love for Google to make a Tegra Android/ChromeOS netbook, throw in a 3g chip, ~8 hours of battery life, and sell 'em at around $200-$300 with free wireless internet, making the money on Android apps and ad sales from the surfing.

    MAKE IT HAPPEN, GOOGLE. I WANT THIS.
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    Image of CommentingpointlesslyisMeh CommentingpointlesslyisMeh
    12/16/09

    @DennyCraneDennyCraneDennyCrane: I guess that would be a direct competitor to ION? Which is also Nvidia. I wonder if Tegra 2 is more powerful than an ION (which I think has an Nvidia 9400m in it).
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    Edited by CommentingpointlesslyisMeh at 12/16/09 4:08 PM CommentingpointlesslyisMeh was starred CommentingpointlesslyisMeh was unstarred
    Image of DennyCraneDennyCraneDennyCrane DennyCraneDennyCraneDennyCrane
    12/16/09

    @CommentingpointlesslyisMeh: Its not a direct competitor with the Ion. Ion is a chipset, a GPU and audio chip. Its main market is as a compliment for Intels Atom.

    Tegra is basically an Ion, plus an ARM CPU. It is designed mostly for Phones, PDAs, things like the Zune HD... It could also work as a netbook, but it would be unable to run Windows (well... It will run Windows CE, but not XP/Vista/7).

    So, it would be fine for running Android/ChromeOS, since it would be compiled specifically for the Tegra. It would be quite low power thanks to the system on a chip design. And, best of all... my plan would come with free mobile Internet. Woo!
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    Image of CommentingpointlesslyisMeh CommentingpointlesslyisMeh
    12/16/09

    @DennyCraneDennyCraneDennyCrane: Makes sense.
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    Image of clR3vv clR3vv
    12/16/09

    In reply to Tegra 2 Coming in January: Nvidia Promises Netbooks, Smartphones and Smartbooks Galore
    with a wopping 1 min of battery life!
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    Image of Kakkoii Kakkoii
    12/16/09

    @clR3vv: Yeah, the Tegra is actually the most efficient system on a chip available. It has many different smaller dedicated processors, and only throws powers towards the ones it needs at the moment. Such as the HD Video Encoder or the Decoder.

    [apcmag.com]

    The eight cores are:

    * ARM 11
    * ARM 7
    * GPU
    * 2D Engine
    * HD Video Encoder
    * HD Video Decoder
    * Audio
    * Imaging

    "The Zune HD’s battery capacity is 660 mAh, about 16 percent less than the 789 mAh battery in the new iPod touch. Yet the Zune promises a longer run time than the touch for both music and videos."

    Ipod Touch Battery life:
    Music 30 Hours
    Video 6 Hours

    Zune HD:
    Music 33 Hours
    HD Video 8.5 Hours
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    CommentingpointlesslyisMeh promoted this comment Edited by Kakkoii at 12/16/09 3:00 PM Kakkoii was starred Kakkoii was unstarred
    Image of OMG_changed_my_name! OMG_changed_my_name!
    12/16/09

    @clR3vv: Do you have any idea what the fuck you are talking about?
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    clR3vv promoted this comment OMG_changed_my_name! was starred OMG_changed_my_name! was unstarred
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    12/16/09

    @OMG_changed_my_name!: I was kidding. Jesus...
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    Image of Luis Bascones Luis Bascones
    12/16/09

    In reply to Twitter on Zune HD, Out Now(ish)
    ...**yawn**...
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    m4ximusprim3 promoted this comment Luis Bascones was starred Luis Bascones was unstarred
    Image of m4ximusprim3 m4ximusprim3
    12/16/09

    @Luis Bascones: Ever wonder why, when you talk to people, they tend to wander away? It's because you're an asshole.

    Thanks for adding to the conversation, though. It was really valuable.
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    Image of HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H. HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.
    12/16/09

    In reply to Tegra 2 Coming in January: Nvidia Promises Netbooks, Smartphones and Smartbooks Galore
    I still want a Tegra-based cellphone with a hard gamepad built in (something that looks like the PSPGo) and big name studios developing games for it. I would love that.
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    Image of spookyu spookyu
    12/16/09

    @HeartBurnKid: Agent of R.O.A.C.H.: Sounds kind of like that nokia phone (I think it was nokia, having a tough time remembering because it was laughed into obscurity).
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    Image of zeroprime zeroprime
    12/16/09

    @spookyu: The N-gage?
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    12/16/09

    @zeroprime: Yeah, but that was terrible execution. It still had a shitty cellphone screen, for one, and you had to take out the battery to change games. And the thing was HUGE, by cellphone standards.

    And don't forget sidetalking.

    @lixiaochenx277: Include a cell-phone radio for online multiplayer and to consolidate my phone into the device, and I'm sold.
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    Image of m4ximusprim3 m4ximusprim3
    12/16/09

    In reply to Twitter on Zune HD, Out Now(ish)
    facebook, please!

    PS: anyone else totally addicted to the zune bowling? I'm not sure why it's so fun, but it is.
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    Image of maven2k maven2k
    12/16/09

    @m4ximusprim3: I like the bowling but I LOVE Audiosurf Tilt.
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    Image of Recharded Recharded
    12/16/09

    In reply to Twitter on Zune HD, Out Now(ish)
    Dear MS. for christmas I would like a Zune HD release in Canada please. also, any sort of release of the marketplace would be good. (still dont have one... even with the old zunes.)
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    Image of SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!! SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!!
    12/10/09

    In reply to Pac-Man Championship Edition on iPhone, Where Are You Zune?
    Does it need to be on Zune as well?
    Having a pac-man on a gaming system (even though the zune and iPhone aren't a gaming system) necessarily means "Win"?
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    Edited by SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!! at 12/10/09 10:26 AM SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!! was starred SewerShark: LOOK BEHIND YOU, A THREE HEADED MONKEY!!! was unstarred
    Image of Intelext Intelext
    12/10/09

    In reply to Pac-Man Championship Edition on iPhone, Where Are You Zune?
    What's with it being so neon?
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    Image of Jakooboo the Whedonite Jakooboo the Whedonite
    12/10/09

    @Intelext: That's just the LSD. Sit back, and relax.
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    Image of cbandes cbandes
    12/10/09

    In reply to Pac-Man Championship Edition on iPhone, Where Are You Zune?
    MS simply doesn't get it. They are in process of losing nearly every aspect of their core business to Google, Apple and the OS movement, and they are just sitting there with their fingers in their ears. They are too busy denying their irrelevance to actually try to compete.
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    12/10/09

    @cbandes: That's a strong statement. Although they may be losing ground in some areas, I wouldn't call the ZuneHD, Windows 7 and MS Courier irrelevant (just to name a few of their popular products/concepts).

    I think they're actually going through somewhat of a resurgence if you ask me.
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    Image of MagicalTrev MagicalTrev
    12/10/09

    @PurpleMonkeyDishwasher:: Add to that list the Xbox 360(and Natal), and MSE.
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    Image of bpatten bpatten
    12/10/09

    In reply to Pac-Man Championship Edition on iPhone, Where Are You Zune?
    From a technical standpoint, if it's in XBLA, there's a good chance it was built with XNA, which would mean porting to the zune would be extremely easy in comparison to porting to iPhone, so there's really no excuse.
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    Image of MosesMonster MosesMonster
    12/10/09

    @bpatten: So true. Microsoft really has a disconnect between their hardware and software (in part of them now being two different companies if I'm not mistaken). They seem slow on syncing their hardware with their software.

    Prime and recent example is the ZuneHD which doesn't even have a Device Stage in Windows 7 which you would think would be one of the first devices they tested on the thing. If you don't have the Zune software installed, the device is a dummy to your system. (I still love it though). I'm sure Pac-Man CE will be on the ZuneHD sometime in the future, just not sure when.
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    Image of Bigbadbikernerd Bigbadbikernerd
    12/10/09

    @MosesMonster: Yeah, they have the perfect opportunity here. There are GREAT XBLA games that would actually be fun on the Zune HD. 'Splosion Man, Trials HD, and others would be a natural fit for the accelerometer and touch screen controls. Maybe they have a plan to port them, but it seems so damned slow!
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    Image of Wburg Wburg
    12/08/09

    In reply to Misleading Photography: A Zune 30 Is Far Too Heavy for That Bikini
    Is it water proof? That ad kind of suggests that it is. Maybe.
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