Wifi Sync, why not? Apple TV is doing it right now, why not the iphone?

So probably we will have wifi sync and 3erd party widget and apps, including games and something like OSX preview wich can read any pdf and nearly any document, quickly and easuily (its WAY faster than acrobat reader reading pdfs).

jut my two cents

Aberracus

Summary: no public SDK, and all apps are first party install only. Bummer indeed...

bluemonq

Looks who's stupid now ;) I want this phone!!

azarethroy

People are used to hearing themselves on landlines, so yell to hear themselves using cell phones. (at least that's my theory.)

Apple could do a lot to stop people from shouting into their phones if the iPhone would amplify the users voice back to them.

My question: When you called your mom, did it amplify your voice in you ear?

Dmitri

Brian Lam, Gizmodo Sanitation Engineer

Apples: MSRP pricing

Oranges: Street pricing

You're the one comparing iPhone pricing to MSRPs of other smartphones knowing full well you can get them at much cheaper street prices and knowing full well due to the exlusive sales agreements between Cingular and Apple the iPhone will NOT be available at less than MSRP anywhere.

But by all means, do pretend the iPhone is priced the same as other current smartphones.

Pixelantes Anonymous

"K so if we're not going to compare the iphone to current phones, due to their street discount (even though the N91 is more expensive on the street), then uh, what do we compare them to? nothing? makes sense. O_o. What would be an apples to apples comparison, do tell."

The prices you quote for N91 and other smart phones are for UNLOCKED phones WITHOUT CONTRACT. Meaning that if Cingular decided to sell the N91 with two year contract you would end up paying around $299 and the phone would be branded and locked to Cingular network.

OTOH you will pay $499 or $599 for the locked iPhone with the same two year contract. So if my math is right you end up paying twice as much for the 8 gig iPhone than for the N91.

PS: There is no way the iPhone is running full version of OSX. So the perception that this is some kind of hand held computer is pure smoke and mirrors. In reality what you have is 2G phone with rich HTML browser running on EDGE and pimped up interface.

When dealing with Jobs you have to focus more on what he does not say, and info he witholds instead of what hyperbole he is singing. He says this device runs OSX therefore it's better than everything else. Well why does he not say what processor the device runs and at what speed? How much RAM does it have? Well if he did, you would be able to call him on the OSX BS. Instead we get words like "revolutionary" and "breakthrough". Pure propaganda. I say the iPhone is as revolutionary and breakthrough as the Segway.

haloguy628

* Ebook reader?
* Umm, (free) games?
* No expandable memory. Can we get one with a Micro SD card at least? 4G fills up fast. Expandable would be nice.
* A SIM card slot on top. Wow nice and easy to steal one and pop in your own SIM card.
* Software - even pocket versions - for spreadsheets, word processing, etc.
* Can I download and view documents and PDFs when sent to me by others? Or am I stuck with the same problem as Blackberry email? What's the point of IMAP HTML if I can't download the attachment. or download an MP3 and save it on my phone from WiFi
* Quicken. What a nice partnership that would be.
* Didn't Mac's used to come with voice recognition? Yet no voice dialing on this version. Bummer.
* As always what are the technologies needed to sync with my exchange server, 3G, battery, openness and other issues already brought up.

Like I said, I love the phone, I guess I just expected a bit more in a couple areas for it to be called a "smart" phone. But yet I still want one. Super bad.

wasavisorfan

I'd like to thank the studio, my manager, the director (who was wonderful to me), everyone at Ed's Big Parts, my Windows styling specialist, Derek (from the Dominoes), and last but not least, the letter Y.

It's been an emotional trip - really it has.

DrD

I would also like to get on the DrD is a Douche train. Whoo-whoo!

FightingChance

Jason, I'm sorry, but there's no way that you didn't have enough time to unzip your trou and do what you do best. I'm very, very disappointed.

sammy baby

No matter how many times you attempt to explain marketing and alpha customers, people just won't get it. No use trying :P.

zamafir

mela_luvs_gizmodo

beetlejelly

Bring it on!

I have a very good idea just how much R&D went into a product of this kind.

And I don't think any other manufacturer out there is even close.

Not sure why that upsets you - must be my use of deeply sarcastic humor

I appreciate that it's an enigma to many.

DrD

K so if we're not going to compare the iphone to current phones, due to their street discount (even though the N91 is more expensive on the street), then uh, what do we compare them to? nothing? makes sense. O_o. What would be an apples to apples comparison, do tell.

zamafir

mela_luvs_gizmodo

you would only get deleted or banned if really ragged on the people who run the site or sent them an email saying something mean or not nice about their work on the site...trust me.

I dont know who DrD is though, but good luck!

And if you don't like the iPhone, make a comment you don't like it and don't participate on this post?

BlindsidesDork

mela_luvs_gizmodo

GadgetGav

- broadband connectivity on EDGE using laptop
- drop test ;)
- dealing with Cingular

Check out: http://www.enterprisepainpoints.com/2007/01/10/lots-of-dis...

to see why people may be disappointed come July.

theonedigg

I've already printed out the front an back images of the iPhone from the Apple website, and right now I'm gluing then to a small cardboard box that came with candy inside.

I'm throwing my old cellphone battery into the cardboard box, just for authenticity, and squishing it down a little so it's realistically thin.

Should have my iPhony ready in about 10 mins or so, as soon as the glue dries.

Just working on vocalizing the iPhone ring tone and the Email send whoosh sound, so I can fool my friends.

DrD

Ok - clocks ticking on the Chinese developing the multi-touch screen, a core OS, full HTML Email, full HTML browser, desktop quality apps, random access voicemail, with of course widescreen video and iTunes/MP3 playback, bluetooth, wifi and at least Quad band GPS - in a smartphone form factor.

They had 3,300 hours, according to John Mayer, as of the end of the Keynote.

That's assuming they work shifts, 24/7

Anyone think they'll make that deadline?

Um, do you even know what the word "knock-off" means? I never said they'd reproduce EVERY single feature.

With that said, they've already produced a fair amount of knock-off phones with html email and html browsers. They've already produced touchscreen phones with video, mp3 playback, bluetooth, wifi, and gps, and in a smartphone form factor. All of that leads me to think that given about 6 months, they can figure out how to stuff all of that into a shell that mimics the *look* of the iPhone.

mela_luvs_gizmodo

Again, this phone is for the high end people so if you're poor, there's nothing to see here, move along...

Those who are poor will have to wait until their next announcement. I'm sure they're working on a low end model.

I actually think they will release this BEFORE June. The only think holding up this phone now is the FCC. The approval process can be as soon as 2 months so I think we'll probably see this out in March or April. Just in time for next quarter's earnings.

Some of you shoudl also stop compalining about this functionality not being there or that functionality not being there. It's software driven so ANYTHING is possible. I'm sure people will design all sorts of widgets and if it's a function that many people asks for Apple will put it into the firmware updates. It's the same with the iPods now so there shouldn't be change from that strategy.

jcc123

Cingular 8125: $350 w/ 2-year contract last summer, probably cheaper by now. Nokia E61 at $350 on the web unlocked and with no contract.

MSRPs are one thing, street prices are another. I guarantee you, you will not find the iPhone for less than MSRP anywhere for quite some time. Meanwhile other smartphones are selling for less than MSRP everywhere.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Pixelantes Anonymous

I wonder if it is too late for it...

BlindsidesDork

Animate

zamafir

I currently have a Cingular 8125 (HTC Wizard). It sucks. It's slow, and the wifi setup requires a PHd in gadget wizardry to setup right. And the keyboard is just ok (still the best in the market, but not quite good enough).

Good smartphones don't exist. iPhone is perfect...until they announced the price.

The iPhone is about twice (or 150% with 4GB) the price as the current competition in the smartphone market. Of course it does more and better, but it still a very expensive phone.

The masses will not go for it at this price point especially if they already own a smartphone.

Still, I would expect Nokia's N-series phones to be dead in the water after this. The N-9x models with the video cameras will probably be the only ones that survive the iPhone.

Pixelantes Anonymous

They had 3,300 hours, according to John Mayer, as of the end of the Keynote.

That's assuming they work shifts, 24/7

Anyone think they'll make that deadline?

DrD

gubatron

Is anyone actually HAPPY with their cingular service?

A resounding "Yes!" response from these quarters! I reside in Hawaii and their coverage is astounding. People who call me long distance tell me on a regular basis that I sound a lot more clear on my cell phone than I do on my landline, and my landline phone model is a nice Panasonic that didn't come cheaply. I've found the Cingular reps here consistently friendly, helpful, and knowledgeable.

And no, I have never worked for Cingular, nor do any of my close friends or family.

I'd like to see any manufacturer reproduce this phone by June, let alone at a lower price and/or smaller size.

Don't underestimate the Chinese. They know how to crank out the knock-offs pretty quickly... only thing is God only knows what kind of SAR ratings they'd get.

I have to admit, I am not an Apple fangirl and I tend to loathe the fanboyz, but when I first saw this phone I was like omg I want one!!!!!!!!! Cuz it just looks so damn cool. Plus my contract is going to expire in about a month so the temptation is great. But right now I have a Moto Ming and the snobby elitist in me really loves how no one else has one where I live. :D

I still haven't seen any mention of VR and it is for this reason that I really don't see this catching on with the business crowd a whole lot, but I suppose only time will tell. A touch screen keyboard is a whole different beast, after all.

I can't imagine my boss, a manager who is constantly on the move, having the patience to stop, look at his phone, and dial out the number, because with a touchscreen keypad that is what you have to do. You can't just thumb your way across it and go by feel, that doesn't work. I speak from experience, because my phone only has a touchscreen with a few hard buttons on the side, so I've learned to use voice recognition a LOT.

mela_luvs_gizmodo

Well ok, a really nice display. But one thats a touch screen is bound to have smudges scrathes within days of use... so im not sure if you can really count that.

Nice voicemail feature. But really I don't think any phone being released now! Even worse that it's in June. Can justify a 600$ price tag without tri band HSDPA. Especially on Cingular! I mean really, the only reason to be on that network is for the incredible data speeds that they have in a some area's. Why in the world would you make a Cingular exclusive without taking advantage of their biggest strength?

Soft keyboard.... ewwww i can just imagine the pain in butt it will be to type on that. And also if its a soft keypad wouldn't it also be taking up the screen that your viewing on to type? So its a pain in the ass to type on and it takes up your viewing area while your doing it. Yes Mr. Jobs truely MAGICAL! teehee

Judous

zamafir

I just realized WHY Apple hasn't put native bluetooth on the iPod. I was reading the Zune page and was like, "WTF! Apple wouldn't put bluetooth on the iPod because they want you to buy the iPhone if you want a bluetooth enabled iPod!"

Good hypothesis?

dale3h

And I don't know about anyone else but I have never been able to wear a pair of ear buds comfortably. I generally have to opt for some large cans

Broken-Infinity

well this may be true since I just got my first ipod this christmas. I was dead set against them before but I love it now. (hmmm blue aluminum) But I really do LOATHE cell phones, I never use up the 60minutes before I have to buy new service time.
So you are right, iphone is definately NOT for this ol' man.

munromurg

Can you imagine? Unfold a leg on the back of the iPhone to prop it up on a desk. Then simply chat away...

gringo_bamba

I sucked in the 1-1/2 hrs iPhone presentation last night on the web from Apple's site.

Awesome device, interface, speed and web browser. Unequaled. I absolutely love it.

Would I buy one? Most likely NOT. But Why????

- I really don't need an iPod. I don't walk, I drive... so I listen to the radio. At work or Home I use the PC for all Media. I do not need a portable player in between work and home.

- As a Video Player... Excellent... You better download... Downloaded movies a for iPods are too expensive for such low rez... better buy the DVD. But transcoding movies takes a lot of time...

- As a Phone it's pretty neat but in reality is at the level of any other phone. I voice dial 99% of my calls on my V3 razor... I did not see any voice recognition in the presentation.

- Eveyone hailed to the 2 Megapixel camera!... it has no flash and my bet is that is a good as any other phone's camera. If you want good pictures... get a camera. Not a phone. My Casio EX-S600 does very good pictures and awesome video VGA with 30 fps in a unit 1/4 the size of the iPhone.

- Web browser capabilities aside, (which was incredible)... I web browse at home or work, not while driving. I like to know Cingular's rate for such massive amount of FULL WEB content... I won't be surprised the rate for such amount or data will get you a bill in the $150+ per month rate.

- Office integration??? What about work applications??? Is it just a play toy?
All smart phones handle MS Office documents and most of them PDF's... This one does not? A smart phone is only as smart as the data it contains.
Major blow here... but since it runs OS X... they might add this in the future. You would figure they would have shown that to the corporate crowd...
How about calculators, Voice recorder, memos, notes, scribbles... None of that?

My rating:
As a Media delivery device: A++
As a Phone : A
As a Camera: C
As a SmartPhone for work use: B

I'm sure they will sell more than 10M units... there are a lot of people out there with a lot of cash and willing to look hip to use an ipod phone

aec007

great design [IS NOT EQUAL TO] a laundry list of customer feature requests + some CAD wanking.

leMel

great design laundry list of customer feature requests + CAD.

leMel

This is an amazing first outing.

As for features, things like getting Google maps in there with gestures, push Yahoo email, and (!) viewing voicemails as a list. Apple had the weight to get Cingular to do some engineering so their device could offer this. What other phone manufacturer could have done that?

leMel

As if there's a choice right now. everyone is waiting :).

also i'm curious if this'll support ichat

zamafir

Or maybe you work for black-ops within Nokia and they already have 2 years into this product and are ready to launch....

Do you have any concept of how much R&D it takes to produce such a product, and how much money it takes - even if you have the skillsets available to you in the first place?

If Nokia/Motorola/Sony and the rest could do this already, then they'd have launched their iPhone clones at CES.

As it is, they are already committed to their new 2007 phones, and I didn't see anything in the CES coverage that could even touch the iPhone.

DrD

Oh, new question: "airplane" mode so I can watch movies?

Tuffy

dgstan

By the time this phone hits the market, there will be others with all the same features and less expensive than what was announced for the iPhone.

More importantly for me, is the competition will likely have a smaller footprint when this happens.

No thank you, I'll wait.

Trojan

munromurg, this first series of iPhones is clearly not inteneded for people like you. They will release lower end lines later which you might find yourself gaga over.

jcc123

His mother's response was all too perfect in my mind: "What?" I guess the rest of the world needs to catch up to the revolution, huh? Oh, but it will. unfortunately. sigh

mrAnderson

munromurg

I thought it prudent to put it into perspective after wondering the same thing myself. And yeah there are other models I've just found the N91 so far.

zamafir

Most of the ones I have seen are a little bit bulky for what I describe-and I've seen the motorola ones.

Just gotta shrink the tech a little bit more.

thevoyeur

The central purpose of the corporate-oriented Blackberry models is to send and receive e-mail. It's also a so-so phone with an awkward form factor. The iPhone is also a phone with an awkward form factor and a great address book, but a lousy dial pad. It bundles in less secure push e-mail, a hard to use keyboard and a lot of features (like the music player and the camera) that don't matter to the corporation, which chooses the phone. Some corporate users might be willing to sacrifice the more usable thumboard for the cooler device, but few IT departments will be issuing them or reconfiguring their e-mail to allow POP or IMAP push e-mail.

For now, I'm sticking with my employer's Blackberry and my nano. When they make a version without the phone, I'll consider replacing my nano, but probably won't unless it's a lot smaller.

dperrella

to me, this will make the phone even more desireable (for me atleast) just because of the ability of expanding the functions of the phone.

idiotism

The other thing I predict is that they will launch a strick media device with no phone. This will in fact be the real widescreen iPod that we've been waiting for. Jobs wanted to really wow people and that's why he chose to launch the iPhone first. Imagine if he would have launched the widescreen iPod first, people would have thought that the iPhone was just an incremental upgrade rather than a leap. The new widescreen iPod would have the new touch interface and UI but will not have the phone fucntionality. It will also likly have the WiFi, Bluetooth 2.0 and Safari on it. Obviously, it will be priced below $400 depending ont the HD size. Anyway, I can't wait for that to arrive. That's actually the device I want to get because I don't like big phones.

jcc123

http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/ca...

DrD

And yes, the Bluetooth std on the iPhone supports stereo Bluetooth headphones, so look for some Apple branded ones to join the existing models from people like Plantronics.

DrD

thevoyeur

Given the phone is running an iteration of OSX i'd wager it's the same type of xml

zamafir

in regards to the "widgets", i keep hearing people complain about not being able to expand onto the phone (software-wise).

are the stock and weather "widgets" actually the same type of xml widgets used in mac os as it is or is it some other format?

if theyre the typical mac widgets, i think there will be a lot of expandability for this phone...especially seeing the type of widgets currently available for mac os.

idiotism

"I could be wrong though?"

Pearl: 3.5 hours
Black Jack and E62: 5.5 hours
Treo 700w: 4.5 hours

Looks to me like it's average for smartphones, and considering the size of the display, pretty cool.

zamafir

Dr. Chim Richolds

BlindsidesDork

zamafir

humblefrog

I know that a lot of folks are saying that the lack of a keyboard is a real deal breaker, but how many people can honestly say that thumbing an email right now on a blackberry or treo lends itself to anything but short emails, entering URLs, or typing sms messages?

All portable devices suck for entering large amounts of data.

At least the iPhone is a powerful computer in its own right! My PPC 6700 strains its resources simply trying to switch from portrait mode to landscape mode.

There will undoubtedly be tons of cool accessories (such as a bluetooth keyboard) that will really let the iPhone function as an almost-laptop when you need it.

Add put the camera on the front (or design some kind of cool rear view mirror) and let this thing do video conferencing! PLEASE!

JasonInNJ

DCGaymer

Kowomg,
1% of 50+million is 500,000. not 10,000.

drewheyman

Apple Inc. gained $7.10 to $92.57.

BlackBerry maker Research in Motion Ltd. lost $11.16, or 7.85%, to $131

Treo maker Palm Inc. dropped 84 cents to $13.92.

So the market view would appear to be that Apple will go after the 'exec smartphone' market in a big way.

DrD

Makes a good read: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/01/09/some-hands-on-tim...

DrD

Joshy

contempt

My understanding on the "will it scratch" issues is that the tracking feature means no stylus dragging will happen, only soft fingertip contact is required to click, but the rest, including OS "gesture" navigation is done mid-air, like you were conducting a mini symphony.

At the heart of this phone is UNIX. Consider the ramifications of that to the business world. Perhaps Apple has indeed finally grown up and thrown down the gauntlet at MS's door. Perhaps they are ready. One can only hope.

I have to end with a Haiku I've titled "iWin"
"YOU have no ipod?"
"YOU have a crappy cell phone?"
I had faith and hope

BWGunner

So they have to invest in R&D and infrastructure in order to support iPhone as it is today.

Then they have to have a strategy to take the service from a globally ubiquitous GPS through to 3G as the iPhone develops new models in the coming years, and new features such as video calling.

Note Cingular showed such technology in action at CES this week.

Then they have to have a global presence in order to support the iPhone in more than just the US market.

That probably explains why they went with AT&T (Cingular) rather than the other smaller players.

Plus, I'm sure AT&T paid dearly to keep the iPhone on an exclusive multi-year contract, and that's just $$$ in the bank for Apple.

And sorry my postings have upset you in any way - not intentional.

DrD

Which one of our providers is going to do the Apple thing? O2, 3, Orange, Vodaphone, T-mobile? It'll be interesting to see which one of them decides they can live without having their own branding plastered all over one of their phones.

h

JCC123, i don't know how you could say verizon is dead in the water...they have by far and away superior coverage to cingular. both my buddy and i do TONS of traveling all over the country and we have service in EVERY state with verizon, even hawaii! sure, you can't go overseas, but who cares? and as far as cingular, they're absolutely abysmal here in jersey, and their service is nonexistent in CT.

and yes, i agree with the rest of you that dr.d is an idiot....making baseless accusations and thinking he's the king. LOL like werk said, grow up, you sound like a tool.

tonyb0d

No point looking at the current plans in that case.

And thanks for the kind words, I'm touched.

DrD

Having to give up my cell phone for 7-14 days to send it in to Apple to get it replaced is not going to work.

Give up a mp3 player for that time is acceptable (somewhat) but not a cell phone.

iPhoneGroupie

OLEDRevolution

stupidlongname

jcc123

nicdnyc

I think this iPhone dealie looks very interesting. The only thing that I do not like at all is the exclusivity to Cingular. Is anyone actually HAPPY with their cingular service? I took a peak at their rate plans and they seem monstrous compared to T-Mobile. Also their basic talk plans are garbage as well. No 49.99 level option? I can pay 39.99 @ tmobile for 600, free Ni/Wk, or 39.99 @ Cingular for 450, no Ni/Wk. ???. I'm not seeing good things.

nachobel

geel

This drives home the point about jamming too much functionality into a single device... people are going to love it or ignore it. I will personally never carry another phone that big - I don't care what else it does. In many situations, the phone is the key component - for me it has to be small, light and easy to use with one hand (and hold a charge for a reasonable amount of time). Oh, and cheap enough to justify changing it every couple of years (at the most).

I would rather this was just the next gen iPod... and less expensive. I guess I can skip this revolution and wait for the next.

huygir

jcc123

yolakayak

OLEDRevolution

MrGutts

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/01/09/some-hands-on-tim...

"Typing is difficult" -- darn it, I knew it would be, but I hoped it wouldn't. Yeah, yeah, we'll know more when we can all do a hands-on, but if an unashamed Apple/iWhatever enthusiast like Pogue actually says something negative, I believe it.

dtrain

My cordless drill cost way less and has no service contracts too, but it's not a phone either.

strider_mt2k

eineins

krisve

Come on, that is not a real review of the iPhone. Every negative you were apologetic for. Don't apologize for the problems you found, let them know so they can fix them. Like you said, they have six months.

Now, my big question is this; Why is $600 for a phone/iPod a great price and $600 for a PS3 WAY too expensive? And remember that is $600 with a contract, probably for like $700-$750 without the contract. I have no two year contract with my PS3.

jtsongas

Brian Lam: You said that the landscape switching only worked for one side, right? Will this mean the iPhone won't be friendly at all to left handed people?
I mean, if i flip it landscape and start using my left hand, i'm pretty sure i'll cover that proximity sensor and block out the screen making it useless for me. Apple tends to make great UI, but everyone forgets something sometimes

Drezio

gonzo217

con:
-no hsdpa for 3g speeds. (edge is doggg slow in my experience, and wifi is a power hog)
-fragility will be an issue, regardless of lessons learned (or not)
-removable batteries are a must.

pro:
-omfgbbq the interface
-they kept it small and pocketable.
-the focus on web/photo/music vs. traditional enterprise smartphones (push email and such.)

I think a lot of the negative comments fall into 2 categories.

1) Hater-ade. Some people just don't understand why people are so attached to Apple. Confusion leads to fear, fear leads to hate... ;)
2) Strictly rational. As I mentioned earlier, it shares all the same basic features as any smart phone. It costs more. However, this assumes they are meant to attract these same users. This is wrong. The traditional smartphone is targeted to the enterprise business crowd. That market is not as big, or as important to Apple as the upcoming generation of people who want their web services always on. And they aren't bankers.

twonine

Take a step back, and just enjoy a great new gadget. We all read gizmodo because we enjoy the world of gadgets, and Apple has certainly made a great piece of tech.

Sure, the specs of all these smart phones are essentially the same. They all play mp3 files, they all browse the internets, they all can have gigs and gigs of storage. So whats the point of moaning about it?

If you understand Apple at all, you understand that nearly all of their innovation lies in creating a clean, thoughtful interface for the problem at hand. It may not be new, but you sure haven't seen it like this before.

twonine

I am in two minds whether this will be a success like the iPod. The reason is beacause of cost. The ipod is a relatively cheap device, you buy one and then you buy songs, or rip your CD albums for free. The mobile phone market is different. You have to buy a phone, - big bucks, you then have to pay monthly - more big bucks - So thats $600 + say $30 a month minimum here in the Uk for line rental even before you get to use it. To utilize the content you want - email, internet, sms, instant messaging, sending pictures and movies - you have to pay more! Here in the UK its per KB. I can get tv streamed to my mobile. Do I use it on the train when Im bored? No, cos it costs soo much! I would rather read a book or sit in silence than pay a lot of money for very little reward.

I think I would love this phone, but then I will look at the price plans, then look at the cost of using all the features of it and think, "hmm I may as well buy a new nokia that works great and use only the features I can afford."

djheath

I think iPhone will bring the computer challenged people to the SmartPhone world with it's appearance of ease of use.

I do know that I will be buying one as soon as I can get my hands on one...it just seems right. And I can only imagine the questions one with get having been the first person someone sees having this.

dale3h

julian

richillion

nicemonster

richillion

Sheesh

skierpage

Disgrauis

And what you we do if you are stuck under contract with another provider? Well, the only way to get out of that unwanted contract is with Cellswapper.com!

http://www.cellswapper.com

(We just launched to general public.)

swapper

yoyomama

No one knows if this is a revolutionary product. History will judge, not us or Jobs. The iPhone is only better than other smartphones in its UI and some design details (and maybe the multi-touch display which won't work for everyone). But people said similar things about the iPod in 2001, it was only a revolution in hindsight.

As Wetzilla and adriang say, the iPhone will encourage changes in the rest of the high-end phone market. People who prefer a slider keyboard or thumbboard should get better software, better browsers, visual voicemail (why has it taken so long?!), WiFi etc. I hope Nokia steps up, Windows Mobile will improve (though I bet MS is planning right now to dump WM and make a zPhune), and everyone else needs to get serious about Java interoperability on an open platform so they can compete.

It's been a great day, even for the Apple haters.

skierpage

Yeah, it looks good and it does lots of neat stuff, and I'm sure it will sell like wildfire once it's finally on the market. But will it be another case of the emperor with his fanny flapping in the breeze? I know quite a few people who have flat or mostly flat smartphones and hate, hate, hate making actual phone calls on them because they just don't lie right against the side of a face. But they won't give them up because gee, the thing is just so cool.

infmom

http://adiuvo.blogspot.com/2007/01/new-apple-iphone-is-it-...

Kosmonaut

odysseus

1) Wide screen iPod to be announced within 3 months, available immediately, basically the iPhone sans phone part but with 100Gb drive and using the new OS.

2) iPhone Nano to be announced at next years MacWord, basically the Nano plus phone.

Pretyy obvious really. Come back in a year and tell me I was wrong...

odysseus

MBsam

Are you kidding? There is a massive amount of innovation here. All that power is such a small device. I guess you could just whip something like that up yourself couldn't you?

Stop fooling yourself.

MBsam

I think apple needs some competition. Another *nix system needs to step upto the marketing plate and take a spin. Gadgets can ALWAYS be cooler.

belablack

Disgrauis

Speaking of wireless will it sync to iTunes through Bluetooth?

NCMO

roee.eliav

All I know is that my Treo makes quite a racket as I walk by speakers, and my one attempt to play music through my Treo into a car cassette adapter was a disaster.

s5

And the 20 somethings (like myself) traders/ibankers (like myself) who use blackberries have them issued by the company. It is a corporate choice. I dont think we'll see goldman ordering 5000 of these tomorrow.

CockeyedOptimist

crackalacker

s5

Overall, I think it's a very compelling offering for the price, but I am just unsure if there exists a large enough market to be willing to fork over so much money. I wish apple best of luck with this though, because if anything, it will force other manufacturers to improve their products.

As for DrD and security, it's 1 am on the east coast, if it's really necessary, I can call some banker friends to confirm, but I highly doubt companies feel secure having emails potentially worth millions of dollars just be forwarded to IMAP or POPs. One of the greatest things about blackberries and winmobile devices is the ability to remotely clear the device if it should get lost. I believe this functionality disappears when POP or IMAP are used (although I may be wrong). I can attest that the policies at 3 top banks would never allow IMAP or POP forwarding.

The Hoff

crackalacker

But you do have to admit that the smartphone market is currently much more defined than the mp3 player market was when the iPod came out. And from what I've seen of the current gen of smartphones, they aren't in the same category of "clunky and hard to use" as mp3 players were back then, like the Creative Zen was back then. The only smartphones I've spent a good amount of time with is a blackberry, and it wasn't very hard to use at all. I was able to do everything quite easily and without having anyone explain it to me. My father (not the most technologically inclined person) also managed to pick up on how to operate it quite quickly.

Wetzilla

djdare

djdare

Every carrier now has multiple quality smartphones out, and these phones are already pretty popular.

You really dont know the smartphone market at all do you?

Even "good" smartphones suck. The Q? my coworkers couldnt wait to get one only to complain for weeks how bad they are. My Uncle even took all of his companys BACK they hated them so much.

And thats supposed to be a good one. Same with Treo, they are ok but not at all good. Pretty much the exact analogy of your clunk mp3 play market.

Falconfire

One thing people have to realize is that the smart phone market isn't the same right now as the mp3 player market was when the iPod came out. Back then the only real options were clunky, hard to use players, that really weren't all that popular. And there were only a few models available. Every carrier now has multiple quality smartphones out, and these phones are already pretty popular. The iPod basically created the mp3 player market, while the iPhone is trying to break into an already existing one.

Wetzilla

Show me one ibank or consultancy that will allow pop or imap.

Bank of America
Commerce
Morgan Stanley

for starters... and this is only because I personally know people who work in all three and have seen what they have.

sure I could find a number more for you if I looked around some forums.

Falconfire

Any competent IT department can address the security 'issues' you allude to.

Hell the honest truth is 90% of them DONT CARE. Im serious they dont. Because for all the snooping in the world, IT pros know that almost all security goes out the window once you hand the stupid thing to someone.

Hell you think they care about push? Whats the point in securing a blackberry when your knucklehead employee leaves his 3000 dollar laptop in Starbucks? Heck if you went to ebay and checked out the sheer number of blackberrys on there that if you bough STILL HAVE COMPANY SECRETS ON THEM.

Trust me, security is almost pointless once you get outside of the walls of your office.

Falconfire

Show me one ibank or consultancy that will allow pop or imap. Ibankers aren't even allowed to access gmail on their work laptops or blackberries.

The Hoff

Ever since they threatened to pull the plug on Blackberry, and all of a sudden people saw a standards based approach as a really really good idea.

Any competent IT department can address the security 'issues' you allude to.

DrD

Also, for that kind of money, I'd want it to replace my iPod. But for $600, 8Gb doesn't come close to my 40Gb 3rd gen. And there are much larger models...

Can't wait till flash memory capacity can compete with HDDs.

danimal

SMG3er