<![CDATA[This is not cool... - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool... - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> my MBP runs at 61 degrees until i added a fan control option...great ever since

dottenbreit

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> I realize that this article is a month old, but two weeks ago I too bought a MBP with a sunken power button. It bugged me but I knew it was harmless and probably not worth risking my warranty over.

3 days later I had taken it apart. I did not take it all the way apart, just enough to be able to pry it open and press behind the button to make it flush. I thought that would fix it, but alas after a few presses it would return to it's sunken state.

So, once again I noted that it's only aesthetic, not worth losing warranty over.

Today, 2 weeks later, I fully removed the upper case. I found that the power button is tacked into place with a large piece of adhesive material (the material actually covers the entire grill on both sides, with a hole for the light sensors) and that one side was refusing to stick. After a little super glue and a lot of masking tape (I didn't want any unfortunate accidents) my power button is now flush :-)

And I'm pretty sure the modification is undetectable (coz I'm worried about my warranty ;-) ).

pnit

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> It really is amazing how virulent people get whenever they see anything about apple posted.

jqmark

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> I just love that a 3 line personal post can even spawn this many comments. I have a mac. It's not perfect. It's better than my PC that just broke after 3 years. This will break one day too. If it breaks within a year, wicked, I get it repaired for free so not even worth whining about. If it's after a year and below the 3 my PC lasted, I will be a bit pissed off.

As for the raised apple logo being a problem, I could hardly stop laughing. Go find a woman to carress and quit fondling the lid of your laptop!

Fluidity

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Alright everyone. It's a power button. Get over it. Apple will have just as many flaws as everyone else. And to all the folks that use their macs running XP as their primary OS...???!! why'd you buy a mac?! You seriously could have purchased the same performance for half the price. I suppose this is why the iPhone will sell more than a single copy. But these are old arguments, and all well known. My curiosity is piqued by what Apple calls a "logic board." Honestly people, you ALL bought PCs with a fancy shell. Did Apple just get too high and mighty to call it a mainboard or motherboard? Does "logic board" make people feel like their product was worth the $300-1000 extra you paid for your machine with a bent power button? And for the technically-minded mac users: All of you know that all previous mac notebooks represent the pinnacle of unserviceability. Any machine that takes more than 10 outer screws and 20 minutes to completely disassemble doesn't make any sense unless you really want to pay someone $70+/hr to work on. At least they got the point with some of the newer ones, they're a slightly lesser pain in the ass to retrieve a hard disk from. But I digress. Power buttons will fail. I for one won't care much if the power switch on my Tablet PC is skewed by a few millimeters as long as it turns on. At least I'll be able to take it apart and fix it in an ordinate amount of time.

APOLAUF

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> I had a logic board problem with my MBP (purchased in July at an Apple Store), but it was misdiagnosed as faulty hard drives (of course), which were wiped and replaced twice by the Geniuses.

When it started to fail a third time, I worked with great phone support people at every level who replaced my machine with a brand new MBP core 2 duo which has been flawless. (They also allowed me to pick it up at the store and transfer data there.)

We were advised to use phone support and, ultimately, customer relations because they can make more independent decisions than the Geniuses and the store managers.

I could not be happier with the new MBP.

For the record, the MB I bought for my SO has been completely flawless.

musette

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Dude, nothing apple makes is flawless. It is far from it. Because if it were flawless, then Apple would have won all of Microsoft's customers. But they haven't because it is... flawed!

dwalk51

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> My MBP (CD2, from November) has the same problem as you and Jono. I haven't mashed the button, and it's lower on the left side.

I have AppleCare and would gladly take it in for repairs, but I work from home, and I can't be without it for a week or however long to replace the case. Right now it bothers me, but the button still functions and I'm actually really relieved to know it's not just me.

kostia

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Mine works Great......Looks like I am the only one, here in Winblows land.....

willyboy

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> All I want to know is how the heck did you do that? did you stab it? I haven't seen anything like that so far in the Two Pros my friends have

jimbob6

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Don't forget, Apple is no longer a Computer company. The chances of them getting better in the computer area are slim now.

Penchum

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> I went through two MacBooks that completely died on me before I gave up and asked for a refund. I'm back to using my PowerBook, which will suddenly die if I don't keep it plugged in. I am very disappointed with Apple's product quality lately. Perhaps they need to go back to making their computers more expensive.

Smivey

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> I had the same problem on my new MBP 17". It eventually completely collapsed into the case. Fortunately ABT Electronics replaced the entire notebook for free.

Take it in and get it fixed before it breaks and you can't turn it back on again.

drmorley

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> My 15 inch MBP also had the same track pad problem (raised on one side) and the '4' key didn't work so well.

I took it in to the Apple Store later that week and they said they would switch the keyboard out for a new one. Well, I got it back with a new keyboard, 3 new scratches, and the eject button was crooked (again, higher on one side).

Fortunately, someone broke into my house and stole my computer. Thank god for renters' insurance. I got a brand new machine (core 2 duo!) and haven't had any problems since.

theodd1

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> My 15 inch MBP arived with the trackpad actually raised above the rest of the case on one side, about the same amount that it is sunken in on the other...and yeah, it pisses me off...

LetsWalkForward

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> i would want to turn it off forever too but i would just drop kick it instead of hammering the power button

chileputo

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> That sucks.... Genius Bar time.

My MBP from April 06 is still going good. The only problems I've had have been with batteries, which Apple has replaced twice without question.

I'd love a new C2D MBP, but there's really nothing I need in the way of upgraded features, so I'm sticking with my current model.

As with all devices... even from Apple, things are not always 100% perfect.

chillywilly

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> @ gigermunit

Genius pure genius!

GLiF

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> The trackpad on a new Macbook I bought for my wife was peeling off.

aldenoneil

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Wow. I thought all the jokes about Apple fanboys being freakish cultists obsessed with all things Mac, from the cardboard used in the packaging to the placement of the power buttons... I though all those jokes were just exaggerations before.... but after reading through the content of this thread I can see now... errrr... {nervous cough} yes I can see now how COMPLETELY OVERBLOWN all that was. Why, you guys are totally normal. PCs! BAH... who needs 'em I say! Edge bezels my friends! Rings of adhesive to you sir! {chuckles uneasily}... *ahem* um anyway carry on fellas!
{backs up slowly out of the thread, holding breath and tiptoeing the whole while}

some_dude

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> the power button is held to the top case by a ring of adhesive around it. i usually pop them out of scrap top cases, since i figure i'll find some use for a nifty little metal switch some day.

but yeah, new top case would fix that right up.

ars_workerbee

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Looks normal to me.

StackyBotrus

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> @ phenostar

Hon Hai Precision does not assemble MBP, Just fyi.

kapC

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Heh

GIGERMUNIT:0
GIZMODO COMMENTING SYSTEM:1

Sweet_Toof

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Apple designs, Hon Hai Precision assembles.

End of story.

Haters, keep hating, just be better informed next time.

Phenostar

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> I'm not an Apple basher myself, or at least in terms of MBP's. That's a pretty decent product, in my opinion. The iPod and iMac...well...that's a discussion for another time. The MBP is nice, but for specs/$ ratio you can't beat a Clevo, who makes laptops and distributes them. For those who don't know, all of the suspiciously identical Alienware, Voodoo, Monarch, Cyberpower, Hypersonic, etc. laptops are Clevos. With the price jacked up up to 2x.

Search Clevo or Sager and you'll find some decently priced places. Not the Sager website itself, though. There are cheaper variants. The 17", identically-spec'd Sager/Clevo beats out the MBP 17" and even 15.4" MBP, which is rather nice.
However, no one wants to reveal this "secret" for some reason. Not even the Giz. And especially not CNet.

Gerry_W

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Had it happen to my old Powerbook, I'd take it in like someone else suggested. It never got any worse after it sank the first bit, but it always annoyed me. Best of luck!

Oropix

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> It's so ironic that every article that bashes Apple for it's quality only reinforces it's image as a company that delivers high quality products.

Why do Dell users not whine about their quality problems? Because, they do not expect quality from Dell.

Apple is now delivering over a million macs per quarter. Most manufacturers in Asia are only capable of achieving 3-sigma process quality. That means 2700 defects out of 1 million.

Do the math.

kapC

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]>
Amen, jrlittlejr. It's ridiculous to expect that a product priced at a 30-50% premium over other comparably spec'd hardware would be manufactured properly.

your right, and when you show me that product I would love to see it cause it aint Apple whos computers actually come out cheaper than most comparably spec'd hardware.

Of course Apple bashers refuse to admit that part.

Falconfire

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Anything mass produced will always have flaws in it. I don't care what kind of sampling rate your quality program has, if human intervention is included, the manufacturing process will produce flaws that make it to the consumer...

With that said, all the Apple products I've ever owned have been perfect.. ;-)

rfmd486

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> my button area has not fallen like your, but my power button only goes down on one side, in the same manner as your button enclosure.

17" MBP C2Duo

eloyramirez

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Amen, jrlittlejr. It's ridiculous to expect that a product priced at a 30-50% premium over other comparably spec'd hardware would be manufactured properly. MAYBE if it was three times the price of equivalent hardware you could expect to avoid having to exchange it five times to get a machine without manufacturing defects. But then people would just whine even more about the price. People need to learn that they get what they pay for and stop complaining. Seriously.

jmb127

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Appears it's tipping toward the 11th dimension. Gravity leaks there, so spare no effort to resolve this promptly at the Genius Bar. Otherwise, well, the universe could slip off the brane it's connected to. I know nothing more, really. Do it.

Joe Alien

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> This exact thing happened to me a couple of weeks ago on my MBP. I had the first 15" 2.33GHz Core 2 Duo that came into the Apple Store after the release.

When I brought it in, they said that they've never seen anything like that before, and it wouldn't be covered under warranty because it's physical damage.

Now, I've taken care of my MBP like nothing else--my wife feels jealous at times--and I am the only person that uses it, so it shocked me to have this happen.

I told them that there is no way that I could have done it and asked them to actually prove that this wasn't a defect. The guy said that the only way something like this would happen is from excessive force, but I found it funny that he would know the (supposedly only) exact cause, yet, as mentioned earlier, they had never seen anything like it before.

He said that he'd try to get it repaired in-store on the down-low by saying he broke it while fixing something else, but only if they had a replacement part in stock... they did have one, but, uh, WHY would they have a replacement part if... yeah... THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE?

Fast-forward a couple of days with it in the shop: they call me up to tell me it's repaired and that it was covered by warranty.

I don't remember off the top of my head what the repair was recorded as, but I can pull out my receipt if you need me to.

hakujin06

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Give me a break... before you post something like this, why don't you ask Apple to fix it!?! They have industry leading customer service. I've had mac products for more than a decade, and the few times I've had minor problems Apple has done an outstanding job of fixing them. This isn't "news", it is "whining".

jrlittlejr

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Misapplosophy=Study of Apple hatred.


I don't get it. Tons of articles showing the WiiLove; no one complains that Giz has turned into a WiiWankFest. Tons of iPod articles. No complaints. A story on the Mac? Cue the monkeys bashing out bleatings on Giz' being a Macsturbation station.

It's a freakin' computer. It now runs Windows. Get over it for the love of gawd. Go hate Mac users somewhere else.

Disclaimer: I have one of the first MBPs released; it was my daily home PC primarily used with XP. Love the industrial design, hated the quirks and the weird assed form over function compromises. Decided I wanted something with more graphics HP, didn't want to dish out for a Dell XPS so ordered a whitebox Clevo M570u. Add CPU, RAM and HDD of choice and voila.

Wow. Build quality, speed, and for a 17", still reasonable size. Better yet, it doesn't fry your balls on contact and has faster graphics than most desktops. MBP is now on a shelf gathering dust.

Buford T. Justice

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> I just bought MBP 3 days ago, had a glossy screen on accident and returned it, that power button felt totally flush, but I exchanged for anti-glare and this is 30 hours old and i can feel the left side of the button is lower than the right side. I can feel the edge bezel from 4 oclock to 12 oclock where the rest is flush. I have not pressed this thing with anymore pressure then needed to say click a pen. Just for your info. Thanks for posting the warning/picture so i know to tread lightly. I hate reformatting machines after repairs/exchanges!

PS: Does anyone know how to eject Cheez-it's from that slot on the left side, I thought it was a toaster...? (was drunk)

Jono

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> HAHAHAHA!

PC:1 APPLE:0

gigermunit

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> hahahahaha

pc:1 apple:0

gigermunit

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]>
firetwuck says:

ummmm, maybe it's recessed for a reason?


Yes, they actually designed the power button to be crookedly recessed. Asymmetry = high design.

And those people complaining about screens being "warped" and latches "not closing"? They simply lack the ability to think outside of the box.

The screens are not "warped", they simply feature a unique contour. The latches aren't "broken", they're just designed to allow you to open your laptop with less effort.

Geeze, people. When will you stop doubting Apple's perfection? Any "defects" are actually unique design elements which differentiate your beautiful new MacBook from all others. Like those clothes you see at the store that have had a cheese grater taken to them. Failure to appreciate them as such simply proves that you have been brainwashed by the PC clone mentality.

APPLE CAN DO NO WRONG!!! PRODUCTION FLAWS FTW!

jmb127

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Wow, first Apple forgets to peel the plastic off the vents on the 'books, now this? At this rate they'll be in bankruptcy before the [insert non-litigious iPhone replacement name here] ever hits the market. :) I'm joking. Don't sass me.

TVGenius

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Dis/Marth: Just because you guys are anti-mac zealots does not mean that apple gadgets, and related news does not constitute worthy information, not only for the fans of the product, but fans of the website (all things gizmo-like. Look at any tech/gadget blog and you will see the aforementioned "mac-wanking", as the fact of the matter is, is it is a subject pertaining to the topics of these blogs.

xipher

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Keep up the good work, Giz. I for one am a multi-platform gadget freak and want to read it all - here.

Brian B

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> I have a macbook pro 17in and the only problem I have is keeping it clean.

maxdug

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Disgrauis: Refreshing to see that I am not alone concerned about this gizmodo mutation into a mac-wanking showcase.

It is just out of control.

marthirial

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> ummmm, maybe it's recessed for a reason?

firetwuck

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> you know, I'm sure you could take all the Mac content and produce Macmodo and continue to feature real news on Gizmodo, giving Mac fan-boys a place to pray and hold religious services while giving non-Mac users (the majority of people) a place to read news they care about.

Disgrauis

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> I'm on my third MBP since they released the Core 2 Duos. The first one, the latch broke off after normal use, the second, a fan inside broke and caused the some stuff inside to fry, and now on my third there's a nasty dead pixel in the middle of the screen.

I regret ever becoming a switcher. Plus the performance ain't so hot compared to a PC. I've seen the "shut down screen" twice already and random haults in between switching programs like Photoshop and Flash.

barkins

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Currently my cap-open-button-thingi (if this is the word) is stuck in the case. And my iPod mini's clickwheel also looks like your power-button...someone beat these chinese dudes harder!

iPeg

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> jesus its a POWER BUTTON not a switch.

I press this thing hard and it doesnt even budge, what did you do take a fucking weight and hold it over it?

Falconfire

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> You've got to laugh, really.

prowan

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> It's weird how I've never seen anyone even come close to saying that Apple hardware is "flawless," and yet every time a problem is reported, a bunch of REALLY HILARIOUS people decide it's time to say "What's this? You mean Apple computers aren't perfect?"

Real original, guys.

dalasv

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> I have the exact same button problem on my mbp c2d except mine isn't so deep inside the case. Quite unpleasant surprise on a $2k laptop and especially on a mac... :-/

tup

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> almost every other MBP on display at the stores that i have seen are like that from all the random people running around pressing it down to the floor -
not really a flaw as it is carelessness

musanti

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> They have fancy looking products but for quaility they aren't to great.

jamjam

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Dude you should really take that Macbook Pro back to the store. The earlier Core Duo's had alot of problems. But I alot of people have told me that the problems have been all but fixed in the new Core 2 Duo models.

Sethro

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> I just purchased a new 17" MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo and it has quite poor build quality. Unfortunately it was a custom build and I was therefore unable to send it back to Apple. I had two major problems. The first is just as the reviewer has described. In fact, if I did not press the power button just so, it would become stuck. I took the machine apart and looked at the power button. I found that there is a small lip on the bottom of the power button and a retaining ring that fits up inside it. My retaining ring had not been installed properly. I located a retaining ring tool and was able to seat it properly, and my power button was much improved. Unfortunately, the other problem is much more difficult. The bottom panel on the machine is severely warped, and I have to put about 1/16" worth of business cards underneath one corner in order to keep the machine from tottering around when I type on it. I contacted Apple customer service and they told me that they could do nothing since it was a custom build from their Web site (I ordered the 200 GB hard disk). The genius bar at my local Apple store has also refused to do anything about it. I am not a happy camper!

ny2a

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Wow, what the heck is that? Is it? No! Wait, I think it is! It really looks like it is. Is that another chink in the apple armour? Can it be true? Everything apple is perfect, is it not? Oh no, the end is near. There must be a third party to blame!

jtsongas

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Stop mashing it so hard!

graydon

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Heck, the screen on my 17Powerbook is so bowed that I could slip a comic book under it when the screen is latched down.

scatpack

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Quit slamming it with your fat sausage fingers :)

bdkennedy1

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> You think that is bad, you should see my girlfriends MacBook...massive screen flicker, extreemly dirty case that won't come clean, and for some reason she can't import CD's into iTunes. I watched her take a brand new CD, unwrap it, put it in, digitize it at high quality 128 AAC file, and it would not take a couple of the tracks. And it acts up while using it a lot too. Apples own software on the laptop that came installed on it will randomly stop working in the middle of using it. ITs been a major pain. Its at AppleCare right now. I hope they fix it. I have not had good luck with apple stuff here of late.

givemeyourshoes

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> I have a MBP with the apple on the reverse of the screen sticking out a little. I can feel it as i glide myhand over it and it bothers me. But the one i had before this (my original one had more than frequent OS crashes) only one of the latches came down when closed and the screen was f-ed up so im happy with aslightly raised apple logo. I'm picky i know

Ryanraven

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> My MacBook Pro has the same defect. I didn't notice it at first, so I can only assume that it didn't come to me like this, but now the button sits a little bellow the main level of the speaker unit. It kinda makes me mad, but it isn't anything I am going to die over.

~~~Charlie

charkue

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> this is not possible, macs are flawless...aren't they?

cooper

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> genius bar

bobvilla

]]> <![CDATA[This is not cool...]]> Not me, but my Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro refuses to sleep and gets so hot that the rear vents have warped. I wouldn't complain if I were you.

lavertybd

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