Half the resons safari might not load correctly is due to the fact that developers using IE and windows dont use W3C standards or www standards, if your a windows developer complaining about safari get a mac really you might learn something useful. as for the lame n00b windows users kickin round havin a cry get a life and go jump really, what has windows done that mac hasnt done oh lets see 5 yrs before? M$ is the leader in the market but why, oh yeah techies need jobs, if macs took over there would be a massive job lose in the M$ support field hey. F**k windows and all the little bitch windows users having a cry overthis.

thanks.

p.s. wtf does the iphone have to do with safari, except the iphone will run safari on it, get over it and go buy a zune, they will be taking over the market soon aswell i take it, LOSERS!

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s5

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aec007

Zero0ut

Bherget3

jonyah

Not Beta.....

Good Joke Steve..... we got it..... Now, can we have the real thing?

APPLE just sucks at coding for the Windows Platform....

Twenty5

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,132841-c,browsersecurity...

Oh yeah, Security researchers are dumb idiots.OSX is as secure as the white house is!!!

sotark

leMel

Yeah I want on the fly spell checking for when I post. The edit spell check does the whole page.

New Bug I left it running and put my computer into sleep, and I hard to hard boot out of sleep mode, I'll wait until we are out of beta before I really use it.

Oh yeah it's a beta you M$ Fan boiz on yer zunes playin xbox and eatin on yer surface table, leave safari alone us Mac users don't take critique well.

Ultraorange

First, there is a difference between an alpha, a beta, and a public beta, and different expectations to go along with them. Yesterday every other post on most forums was a NEW problem with safari. That indicates that they really didn't do a great job with QA up until that point. Granted this is the same company that shipped a copy of itunes that had a 100% bluescreen rate on Win2k, and shipped viruses to their customers, so they have never really shined in that department anyway, at least when it came time to take care of their windows customers (platform wars aside, a customer is a customer).

Futher, functional bugs aside, *ANY* publically released software should be well tested for security bugs, web browsers most especially. Two remote arbitrary execution exploits in 12 hours of release is downright shamefull. MS would have been eaten alive if this was a beta of IE 7. Couple that with Apple's random bragging about the relative security of their code vs. MS's (given the 100+ security vulnerabilities patched in OS X since january, compared to Vista's 7, they look a little moronic saying such anyway) they deserve all ridicule that can be directed at them for having such vulnerabilities.

el-chupageek

cooper

Darkest Daze

A BETA that does not fail, is not called a beta.

I don't think people were not expecting bugs or failures. To expect perfection is unreasonable.

I think people were expecting to not have MULTIPLE REMOTE CODE EXECUTION EXPLOITS available less than 24 hours hours after its release.

I suppose one could make the "Well whadda ya want for FREE" argument.

On the bright side, I imagine the Safari Team at Apple is hard at work making sure that Safari on the iPhone does not get similarly hacked on June 30. Folks in Cupertino wouldn't want their baby to get renamed "iPwned."

bunny_rabid

It was to be expected that the windows version would be more unstable. But If anyone recalls, the first Firefox beta was, well.... a LOT WORSE! Barely any forms were validaded correctly, Flash would lag like hell... etc.

A BETA that does not fail, is not called a beta.

Sorry PC users. Hope you'll enjoy the final release of Safari.

Teebo

screen cap:
www.kmt-studio.com/transfer/cap.jpg

wetworker

med

Then again I am a software QA analyst/tester by profession so I could probably break it if I spent more than 20 minutes in it ;)

med

Cowboy_X

coach

For those of you having major problems... you must have Vista on your computer. That sucks.

G-stylez

-Gmail BETA has never crashed on me.
-Google Earth BETA has never crashed on me.
-Creative Labs BETA drivers have never crashed on me.
-Windows Vista BETA crashed on me twice in the 5 months I was exclusively using it.
-Open Office BETA has never crashed on me.

Apple releasing a crappy Beta product is absolutely 100% detrimental to their reputation and hopes to get a larger marketshare. I have not touched Safari for Windows, nor will I ever after hearing what crap Apple pushed out with it. At my photo lab (running PowerPC G5's), I have only used Firefox to browse. Never once touched Safari - it seemed lacking of features and visual elements.

Also, Safari for Windows is completely, COMPLETELY out of it's aesthetic spectrum. Jobs made a big point that Leopard will tie everything visual together to make the system unified - even the Apple homepage reflects this. However, Safari is released outside of the Windows standard visual elements. Windows has a set visual style - and releasing a product to the public that stubbornly sticks with the native style of the program is hypocritical. The quote "When in Rome..." comes to mind.

Apple released a crappy product to the public. Beta or not, it's still in the public eye.

Tommasta

But remember that Gmail has been in "beta" for a long time - I've been using it for over a year now - and it looks like Gmail (along with other Google apps) may never come out of Beta status. And when they were first brought out, they too had problems.

Cameron G

Kamalot

leMel

Mike Panic

that said, i wouldn't use safari for xp, maybe when it reaches rc status, not beta.

zamafir

I think Safari's private (porn) browsing mode will make Safari popular. That will be purrrfect for the iPorn phone.

http://lifehacker.com/software/mac-os-x/safaris-private-po...

yoshi

Firefox, safari etc are good to look a porn not for work.... and a seperate porn browser can keep your house tidy..

ThriveNOC

By the way "domerdel", Windows isn't a programming "language".

(p.s. "winDOZE"? .......hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr*cough*hurrrrrr*cough*)

Pope John Peeps II

I dont understand people who say a certain browser isnt good becuase pages dont display properly. Most often than nought...its the PAGE that is PROGRAMMED wrong not the browser.

if a browser holds zero percent market share then they really can't be rendering the pages different then the market leaders.

no one wants to make an extra effort to develop differently for a zero market share.

Paradise

yoshi

Falconfire

don't start a war you tart.

three more things:

- it's in beta because there's stuff wrong with it ... not windows.

- what the hell's a "formatting language?" windows is an os, not a language.

- and most importantly: in order to supplement, safari must add to an incomplete field. what exactly does it add that firefox/ie[/opera] don't already do?

Paradise

AdmNaismith

axiomatic

I will never use IE again.

I am testing with Safari on xp and so far its not bad. It has crashed a few times....but so has every other browser ive ever used sooner or later.

Speed is good.
Rendering is correct (Acid2 test).
So it does better than Firefox does and of course IE what a joke.

I dont understand people who say a certain browser isnt good becuase pages dont display properly. Most often than nought...its the PAGE that is PROGRAMMED wrong not the browser.

Anyways since its a BETA and some folks dont know wtf that means. I beta OO and Neo office also and dont expect perfect executions. From the Stable build i expect that. From MS software i expect 75~85% of it working and thats when its a mature product.

zippyZ

froggy

zip22

did you forget what "beta" means?

Yes, as most M$-Botz (translation: windows fanboys) don't realize is that the foundation of Safari is not bad, it's when you try to put it in a crappy formatting language such as Windoze, performance is not optimital, thus why we are in "Beta" status.

I don't think it will ever be an IE/Firefox replacement, but when it is out of "Beta" state, it will be a good suppliment.

So M$-Botz, you got a new sports car, only except in order to drive it, you need to put firestone tires on and smog it lol.

domerdel

trekkie

Aaron Martin-Colby

Why would anyone use safari? Apple has no idea what they're doing with security, as no one hacks apple - not because they're that secure, but because nobody uses apples in any numbers to make it effective.

Use firefox and dump that apple garbage.

gofastmini2005

/eye_roll

Harry_Greek

Apple is doing what it has done in the past *cough* Bootcamp *cough* and letting the public do the testing for them.

Anyone who has spent anytime around computers knows that Betas can't be trusted. Also, anyone who has spent anytime around Apple products knows that you don't buy the fiest release of any new Apple product, you wait for the update.

Mortmer

domerdel

vivek

vivek

So now if there are hackers going after safari it isn't apples programmers that are at fault for security hole it must be windows.

I'm hoping they clean up this beta and add a spell check like in fire fox.

Ultraorange

It would be sad to see what happens if Apple becomes the dominant player in the market.

quikboy

bunny_rabid

It is the last comment I am posting using Safari for a while. LOL

bunny_rabid

And I'm a PC.

And I'm an Apple Developer... *Pulls out a gun and shoots PC*

Mio

if this is any represnetation of the iPhone then quite a few early adopters will be crushed emotinally.

shadymilkman