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Sony Europe President: 60GB PS3 Getting the Axe in America [UPDATE: Not]

jonroach13 — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:50:04 EDT

jonroach13

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jonroach13 — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:49:35 EDT

@ Serantos: There was no 2,800% increase in sales!!!! WHY are people so dumb?? It moved from the # 28 item on Amazon, to the #1 item. That is a 2,800% gain in POSITION, NOT SALES!!!

It kills me how much the PS3 fanboys skew things.... just like Sony...hmmm WEIRD.

jonroach13

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Jitty — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:39:57 EDT

ARCHETYPE94306:
Have you seen E3? From what I read of your comment you either have not seen sony's E3 or are seriously biased or ignorant against them... I think a lot of people in this discussion are bias against sony or the ps3 and are having a field day with this news..

Jitty

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banmojo — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:23:27 EDT

Do those of you who argue FOR backwards compatibility have any IDEA what that actually means within the realm of reality?? I'm all for scrapping current designs every 5 years, and starting from scratch. New processor architecture (the most advanced as possible for the time), new versions of old programs necessary to buy (obviously I'd think that if one already owns the program then the upgrade should only cost them 10-30% of the total 'new' cost -- enough to pay for R&D of newer version, plus a few bucks extra for more profit, but that's it. Any more would be unfair and ruin this wonderful plan for everyone).
Building in backwards compatibility makes systems slow, cumbersome, more prone to crashes, bloated. I have a Hungarian cousin-in-law who has an IQ well above 200 (of course, doesn't earn shit working for government office of experimental and applied physics) who reads the technical manual for the Pentium processors 'for a laugh'. He states (and believe me, this guy you can trust he knows exactly what he's talking about) says that due to "having to build in backwards compatibility" we're slowing down progress significantly. This pisses me off. I understand industry doesn't want to pay any more for a program they 'bought' already, but in the name of progress, and science, and awesome cutting edge over the top video games (most important to me :^) I think the extra cost is justified and should be the practice. Why slow down R&D to save AT&T (or whatever business we're talking about) a few bucks every 5 years????

banmojo

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archetype94306 — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:18:14 EDT

I have a Wii and an Elite, and I really don't see putting out any additional cash on a PS3 when they are not getting the exclusive titles that are worth the extra dough. The Elite was a no-brainer because of Halo 3. The Wii is fun for when friends come over. The PS3 has NO compelling features (Blu-Ray included) that will push me to spend $500 for a 60 GB or $600 for an 80 GB game console. Ultimately it comes down to the games. If they are not there, no one is going to spend any amount of money to buy it. My Wii was $249 and is a helluva lot funner than anything I've seen on the PS3. I hate to see Sony continue this slow train-wreck but they only have themselves to blame.

archetype94306

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Jitty — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:12:32 EDT

I hate all these people that are saying the software backward compatibility is "half-assed" and "reduced functionality". WTF are you talking about. It may not be perfect but last time I checked 1600+ ps2 games worked without a problem with software BC! And sony will only increase that number. And if you're worried about having some games that aren't in those 1600+, then you should just use your freaking PS2! Damn!

And if you've already forgotten, it's not just the 20GB that's added with the 80GB; you get motorstorm. No matter how much you might not care for that game, it costs sony and the motorstorm devs money to just give it to you. Overall, I doubt sony's making any more money on this 80GB version than they were with the $600 60GB version.
(the EE is very cheap, right?) So in reality the only ones who are greedy douchebags are some of you people.

I don't necessarily like this decision to get rid of the 60GB, I think it will actually hurt the ps3. But please people, try to be sensible!

Jitty

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EQC — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:11:45 EDT

Engadget says this story is a mistake, and that the 60GB PS3 is not being discontinued in the US:

Read Engadget's correction here.

EQC

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Mario — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:26:44 EDT

Well Sony, you really fucked up here, did you not notice that your system has now surpassed the Wii, Guitar Hero, and the Xbox 360 on Amazon.com's best seller list. Yup, thats all thanks to your $100 dollar price drop, I predicted that it will remain at the #1 spot until the Wii becomes readily available to everyone....but now, by being the greedy bastards that you are, you pretty much screwed yourselves. Just by looking at Amazon.com, you should be able to tell that America wants a 500 dollar PS3, no, not the shitty 20gb model with no Wi-Fi/Card Readers, Were talking about 499.99 being the price for the ultimate gaming system on the market... Havnt you ever wondered why the number of PS3's sold is LESS THAN HALF of the amount you fellas shipped, its not because the PS3 is a poor system. Its simply the price-tag, it destroys the market for almost anyone in their teen years. I want to buy a 360, but their accessories are so damn expensive, and they have one of the worst reputation for quality manufacturing in video game system history, but they have the best game selection. The Wii... Hell no I will not buy a Wii. The PS3 really seemed to be the prime choice for me, but freakin' 600 dollars is a no-no. I don't need freakin' 60gb of storage, much less 80gb. The xbox's 20gb storage is perfect, I understand that only like 15 is usable, but all I want to do is load some of my Original Xbox games as well as my CDs onto it. I just want to be able to play some kick-ass games, sadly, the PS3 has none to offer. But Resident Evil 5, Halo 3, Dirt, Forza 2, Gears of War, GTA 4.... Oh, and over half the games I just mentioned are Xbox 360/Vista exclusive. Whats the PS3 got? Ridge Racer? Moterstorm? Resistance?? Oh yeah, those are some nice exclusive titles.

So ready or not, here I come Xbox 360.

Mario

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Serantos — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:53:17 EDT

I find it REALLY hard to defend Sony on this one. I love my PS3, but damn... The 2800% increase insales should have shown them that people just want the 60 gig at $499. I want the PS3 to sell, because if they don't, developers will just move away from it. I mean, look at GTA IV. They have always come out Playstation exclusive and then ported to Xbox later...

It's sad.

Serantos

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DomZ — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:16:49 EDT

Maybe MS new something we didn't. Good move on their part to not cut the 360 price if they didn't have to.

DomZ

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Jumpking04 — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:32:15 EDT

Well 20gb is quite a few songs. So i mean its a big difference. I have a friend who has a PS3. To my knowledge he doesnt use it for gaming.
He has a few games.
I would buy the PS3 just for the memory and to mod it up maybe put linux on it.
I would basically use it to house my movies and to rip bluray movies onto it. o.O

Jumpking04

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ishred — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:18:39 EDT

what are people crying about??? i could give a crap about backward compatibility. if i want to play ps2 games, i turn on my ps2.

name one company that doesn't cut prices of existing products to make room for upgrades?

the next gen systems are already a year old +....technology advances. I'm sure MS and Sony are already working on their next consoles.

Either buy it or don't buy it. end of story.

ishred

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Kamalot — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:04:57 EDT

Wasn't the PS3 ALREADY at the $499 price point when it launched?

I don't see how any of this is going to motivate ANYONE to buy a PS3...

Kamalot

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myxtplyktz — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:33:29 EDT

I'm sorry, but am I the only person left on the planet who just wants to play great games. I don't care about Bluray, I don't care about PS2 software/hardware emulation, I don't care about out of the box intergrated WiFi. I don't even care about 60g vs 80g hard drives. I would rather spend $399 for a stripped down version of the PS3 that has just enough memory to complete the blockbuster games Sony keeps promising. Oh and they better be blockbusters, if even one of them fails to live up to the hype, Sony is toast.

myxtplyktz

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phantam — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:28:17 EDT

VOOHOO: are you kidding?

The problem is the PS3 will still cost 599$ or 599E in europe... their is no "price cut", theirs a sale on the 60gb model to get rid of them...

Thats not a "price cut" thats a "discontinuation sale" because in a few months the price of the ps3 will still be 599$ to get one because their wont be any more 60gb models left...

they really dont want the average joe to have a ps3... first they kill the budget 20gb then they kill the 60gb ... wtf is with sony.

they aknoledge that the price is too high... so they slightly increase the hd and keep the price the same? WTF

Bigger HD doesn't make it easier to shell out 600$ for a frigging system thats supposed to be for GAMERS.

phantam

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Voohoo — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:13:01 EDT

I am so confused by this. I know that the $100 price cut is good...but I don't understand why discontinuing the 60gb makes it uhh not good anymore.

Is it beacause once the 60gb models run out we are forced to buy the 80gb at the $599 price?

Well I'm still not making sense out of this.

Voohoo

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THX — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:11:54 EDT

Lest you forget...

There is nothing in the current system which will PREVENT software emulation for PS2 games. The issue is that WITH THE HARDWARE you will be able to run games other systems won't.

So, the best of both worlds is the current 60GB US model - Hardware when you need it, Software for when you don't.

That simple.

THX

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Harry_Greek — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:49:24 EDT

If you discontinue the model which is $100 less, then there really isn't a price cut.

Harry_Greek

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Bob_Dobbs — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:43:52 EDT

Uh, IBELLI, how is CONTINUING to sell the 60 GB PS3 at the SAME price when they could easily offer the 80 GB for the SAME price "adjusting to mistakes they've made"?

Face it, you're wrong.

Bob_Dobbs

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Dude27 — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:40:42 EDT

IF (and the IF is important here) the software PS2 emulation will provide better ways to show PS2 titles (AntiAliasing and better resolution), I think it will be much better than the Hardware EE which is only able to show them at the current PS2 resolution = crappy pixels on big LCD TV... so why would it be a "real deal" to get the 60gigs???

Dude27

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ibelli — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:28:02 EDT

Sony is not pulling a "dick move" or being "douchbags," they are just trying to adjust to mistakes they've made. I think that they still believe in their $599 price point, not just from a business perspective, but from a genuine value perspective. So, yes, it makes since for them to sell a lot of machines for cheap while they can, then later add on a controller and a game, which costs them very little, but again assumes the consumer will appreciate the value. Its really quite simple, and kind of smart. In fact, what this will do is two things: For one, it will pressure some of the more savvy consumers (dare I say, people like Gizmodo readers) to buy the 60GB now, and the not so savvy consumers (dare I say Gizmodo readers) to be convinced they are getting a good deal later with the bundle -- which conent-wise, they are, but are really paying a large amount of the $599 for similar COST to Sony.
In other words, shut up and buy your console now and stop being such babies about it.

ibelli

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domerdel — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:15:09 EDT

Yes, it seems like the 60 GB versions are the gems, indeed. I'm glad I got mine 3 months ago (bought it used at around 470). I'm hoping to see somekind of pie chart of the different market groups that are buying the PS3.

Sony is looking like Dell computers... each month they'll introduce a new version, and liquidate the previous older model. We've already seen this with the 20gb version.

domerdel

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dollarbill — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:11:19 EDT

This is why Sony is losing the next-gen console war.

They pull a dick move like this. I was really interested in purchasing a PS3 once i heard about the price drop, but i probably wasn't going to get it for a couple months. Now that i hear this, i am no longer interested because I know i can't find another PS3 for $499.

dollarbill

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scrag — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:03:56 EDT

@Bob_Dobbs: Sony.

scrag

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devil-illusion — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:03:29 EDT

THX has a point but remember in an interview which recently took place with the devs behind the ps3 1.80 update, Sony WANTS to move away from hardware compatibility from the emotion engine why? because with software emulation that can literally raise the internal resolution of the ps2 games. They already said they can do it with the ps1 games but are waiting until the ps2 software emu is solid enough to impliment upscaling by first doubling the internal resolution of the games.

This will also end up allowing for bilinear filtering and maybe even anti aliasing

devil-illusion

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Bob_Dobbs — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:56:04 EDT

Let's see: The difference in cost between 60 and 80 GB is "Euro cents," so they choose the 60 GB. How do you say "greedy douchebags" in Japanese?

Bob_Dobbs

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tomasland — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:49:13 EDT

Question:

Does that mean that Sony will always support the Emotion Engine? I just know that Sony will push an upgrade to the firmware that disables the EE, and forces ALL consoles to use the emulation. If I actually trusted Sony to continue support for the EE consoles I would buy one. As it stands now, I can't trust them

tomasland

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Drezio — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:34:19 EDT

So, we not only get the bonus of a PS3 at €599 instead of $599 but we also get the 60GB version instead of the 80GB.

How nice of Sony...

Drezio

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armrob — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:12:34 EDT

I don't see where the problem is, if you were holding on getting a PS3 because the price, you should get one now since it's 100$ cheaper and widely available.
If you want to buy it for 499$ during the holidays because you are just about to start saving , you should probably get the Wii, or a even a gamecube !

armrob

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voltron80 — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:10:56 EDT

@THX

I think you hit that one spot on!

voltron80

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THX — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:06:29 EDT

What isn't being said is that the real reason for this is to move away from the current 60GB American units as they have the PS2 HARDWARE compatibility system - as opposed to the rest of the world which has the "half-assed" software compatibility.

The new US 80GB units will gain 20GB in space, and lose the HARDWARE compatibility - opting for the MUCH CHEAPER software system. If you can find a 60GB unit in the US now that the price has dropped, and you are at all interested in a PS3 - BUY IT!!!

THX

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DeadPlasmaCell — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:05:41 EDT

Wonder how long it will take retailers to sell out of 60GB systems.. They aren't exactly flying off the shelves or anything.

DeadPlasmaCell

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Galley — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:55:05 EDT

So, after the 60 giggers are gone, the price will be back to $599.99 for the 80 gigger/Motorstorm bundle?

Galley

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If you like pointless reporting on useless topics, you'll love gizmodo! — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:53:57 EDT

@Scrag
I was thinking the same thing, for 100 bucks you'll be able to pick up a 500GB MyBook by the time the 80GB comes out. Wouldn't you rather have the extra 480GB?

If you like pointless reporting on useless topics, you'll love gizmodo!

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MacBandit — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:47:16 EDT

Okay so we're all assuming that once the 60GB runs out that the 80GB will not take it's price point? That would be the logical conclusion.

MacBandit

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scrag — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:38:01 EDT

And is 20G really "that big a deal" in the long run?

If you didn't like the 60G price point pre-cut, will that _really_ encourage you to spend the same on the 80G? I wouldn't think so.

I bet some people are willing to spend the $100 less for the 60G post-price drop, but if it is only going to last so long, Sony will be in the same boat they were in a week ago.

scrag

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voltron80 — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:36:28 EDT

It actually looks like there are a bunch of great games coming out for the PS3. But I swear Sony is actually trying to kill the it.

voltron80

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Kamalot — Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:22:33 EDT

Love the image of the Dodo on the box.

Sony really is sounding like they don't want anyone to buy PS3s. Hey everyone here's a PS3 price cut, syke!

Kamalot