Running a car on water is nothing new and does not violate the law of conservation or Faraday's law of attraction. Their are four forces of the atom. Split the magnetic and static aspects of electricity and do that through electromagnetic cavitation. I.e., pulse compression and bingo! A plasma spark plug will ignite water and double your mileage.

That is why the inventor was just bought out by big oil. Plasma Firestorm Sparkplug [www.nexusmagazine.com]

Or it can be done with a focused H laser [www.newscientist.com]

Of course none of this will be possibel until you have an honest government and a population that is capable of letting go of 9th grade science and forming their own thoughts...

Deathray

topbravo22

ninjatales

wjousts

Sounds sciencey, shame it's nonsense. You are breaking a chemical bond between H and O which is worth about 110 kcal. Not weak by any means.
And I don't know what you think you mean by atomic resonance in this context, but it has nothing to do with this. It anything is resonating it would be the vibrational modes of the molecule.

wjousts

jetexas

EMoShunz

aussie

What is physically possible is to use a clean energy source, say solar, in some very large-scale facility to drive this type of hydrogen production and then fuel our vehicles with the hydrogen. We don't get as much energy out of the hydrogen as we can out of the solar panels, but this might be more practical than trying to put solar panels on every vehicle.

In my opinion, since hydrogen simply does not occur naturally (for any practical purpose), unlike petroleum or sunshine, its use is limited to a medium of transferring energy, like electricity. It can be power plant->electricity->electric car or power plant->hydrogen->fuel cell car. Whether or not it's better than electricity in that role is another question.

subyfan

lovgovan

origamimavin

On a side note, is this not very similar to how microwave works? Only in the case of microwave, the H2O molecule gets all 'excited' and 'hot' without breaking apart. But isn't it a similar process?

We should be focusing our money and attention on securing abundant clean energy for our today and our tomorrows imho. That means solar, wind, wave -> there's no reason a seaside desalinization plant couldn't produce the energy required to drive electrolysis or RF driven H2O splitting by utilizing wave energy. I've said so for years. It's such an easy concept (maybe it's wrought with difficulties that I'm not aware of?)

Build a strong pier, along the edge have large bouyant containers that can ride up and down with the wave action, and have them attached to the pier via a bicycle type chain/gear contraption so as it moves up and down due to wave/gravity, it drives a central screw which in turn moves a coil, makes electricity -> RF/electrolysis powered!!

banmojo

If, theoretically, those frequencies are affecting the hydrogen at the atomic resonance level, causing them to break their weak bonds with the oxygen, then as long as you have a strong enough RF signal to penetrate the volume of water to be affected (and it need not be all the gallons in a fuel tank at a time, but only as much as needed to create the necessary hydrogen for a single engine cycle), it doesn't necessarily have to be extremely high power.

In any case, this is NOT about FREE energy. What this will be about is whether the dollar cost of generating enough hydrogen in this way to travel a certain distance is less than the dollar cost of gasoline needed to travel the same distance.

All the armchair physicists and green energy proponents and nay-sayers can argue all they want, but if it helps get us off the foreign oil teat, then I'm all for it.

ackthbbft

Granted it's not RF, but he uses sound to burn water. LOL! Seriously, odd co-inkydink.

FrankenPC

I don't know if anyone said it, but someone referenced HHO. That's a magnecule. Or Brown's gas I think.

FrankenPC

jmdecombe

NicleT

mandarin

warf0x0r

whiteknight

That image is the same one I use on my desktop! =-D

BigDanInTX

ackthbbft

Windhawk

Hello death ray!

DARPA is going to love this.

wezelboy

bobdobbs

i personally just see progress, that is how it should be preceived in my opinion.

jerrt

I'm not sure there's a difference. One is a store of energy and the other is a battery.
(for the slow: in other words they do the same thing, store energy).

wjousts

wjousts

s5

Nonsense, you clearly don't understand the principle behind flame tests. You are seeing the atomic emission spectrum of sodium in the flame. It's not part of the reaction and it isn't generating any extra energy.

wjousts

Mark Frauenfelder (BoingBoing):
I'm guessing what's happening here is the radiation is splitting the water into hydrogen and oxygen. The salt has nothing to do with it, and the radio wave energy used to split the water exceeds the amount of energy produced by the flame, resulting in a net loss.

freelunch

bobdobbs

The question is, "Does this help with the massive inefficiency of hydrogen power?"

Hydrogen power is, and has always been, a battery, rather than a fuel. You generate power somewhere, somehow, and use it to create hydrogen. You take that hydrogen somewhere (or just use it on-site) and run it through a fuel cell to get electricity, or just burn it for heat/thrust.

Even neglecting the potential for an improvement in efficiency, this could solve a major problem with the water source -- Electrolysis needs *pure* water, or the electrodes get so caked with impurities that the process halts itself. If Mr. Kanzius has found a way to electrolyze water, even at the *current* level of efficiency, he has opened possibilities for massive improvements to the desalination process:

Take seawater. Blast it with radio waves. Siphon off the hydrogen (and oxygen, no harm there) and run it through a fuel cell. Use the power from the fuel cell to offset part of the demand from the radio emitter.

CaseyG

Keanu Reeves was RIGHT!

(see Chain Reaction for the reference)

Deech

I will refrain from any negative or positive views until I see some numbers on power input and power output, and a reasonable estimate on the efficiency of harnessing the output

freelunch

Brdf

...the radio wave energy used to split the water exceeds the amount of energy produced by the flame, resulting in a net loss.

LastVigilante

So kill that enthusiasem.
For now.

Luka_Veliki

Colonel35

Wasn't you guys that posted a water powered car last year????

The car was filled wit water, and some machine transfomed the water into a GAS called HH0, Which Was the fuel to the car

HHO = H2O

TDG

Radio waves don't always need insane amounts of power. I like how you instantly shoot down ideas without knowing the research behind things. Have you worked with this guy in his lab?

You really think this guy with an RF generator made out of pan pies has a 4000V hookup on his house? Whats if it uses 24v and 35W?

Iggy

That's why all that comes out of the tailpipe of a hydrogen-ICE or hydrogen-fuel-cell car is water.

EQC

Buring hydrogen in oxygen, i.e. air (releases energy)

2 H2 + O2 -> 2 H2O

You don't need to worry about running out of water

wjousts

wjousts

Thanks

warf0x0r

wjousts

this makes it sound as tho the actual saltwater is being ignited.

if so, then i need to invest in this asap

caL

This simply can't work.

Besides, this story first circulated back in May, so it is old news.

cmccorvey

visionep

irlsanders

Jeremias

aet

dcellan

Scotch_and_Soda

The car was filled wit water, and some machine transfomed the water into a GAS called HH0, Which Was the fuel to the car

Jeremias

adamgamble

I swear you already posted this Giz.....but what do I know?

tbizzle

alin0steglinski

alin0steglinski

chiujason