<![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> The 'dragnet' comment was interesting. Anyone see the recent movie "The Lives of Others"? Too many familiarities for my comfort. The government will protect us from outside threats. but who will protect us from our government when we start disappearing ;-)

acox

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> Mark Klein also appeared on an episode of PBS's Frontline (viewable online at [www.pbs.org]) where he talked about much the same thing. It's a fascinating show.

Lacclolith

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> Sometimes I have fantasies about California separating from the USA to form it's own country...

johnnyabnormal

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> There's something worrisome about possible political uses of any information gathered in these endeavors. If one retains political power (or an unfair financial advantage over others) as a result of having information gathered illegally then we *all* should probably be concerned.

With zero transparency we don't *know* what information is being gathered.

This is not the first president to say, and I paraphrase here, that he is not a crook.

We should promote transparency. And if what we're doing is "right" (legally and morally), there won't be a problem.

izzaboo

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> Knappoleon is just trolling, I wouldn't waste time responding to his statements.

Jeff the Riffer

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> way to show one side of the issue *two enthusiastic thumbs way up*

king_of_fools

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> Wow, there are a lot of people in this thread that do not understand the constitution and are willing to watch the very thing that makes America unique, (civil liberties) erode away in to a police state.

Your apathy about this issue is what is wrong with America right now. The fact that US citizens are just willing to roll over on your backs is truly embarrassing.

axiomatic

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> @knappoleon:

You're an idiot. If anyone should die, it's you.

pastrychef

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> @knappoleon:
Your indifference is interpreted by those with the power as tacit approval. The 'if you have nothing to hide, they you have nothing to worry about' attitude is full of flaws--as the definition of illegal activity is in a constant state of flux.
Lately, animal activists have been added to the list of terrorist enemies of the state. [seattlepi.nwsource.com]
As soon as masturbation becomes illegal, you'll be on death row.
The fact that you and many like you don't care is what allows our liberties to erode as they have.

Ass

islandmonk

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> @knappoleon: So the concept of personal privacy means nothing to you? It's okay by you if we tape every minute of your life and put it on public television? Oh, and without telling you it's being done?
Legality aside (and it is illegal) the invasion of privacy and implied permission to do so by the government is disturbing.

BishopNeo

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> I file this under WHO CARES. Im not a terrorist and if someone wants to snoop in on my VOIP... who cares.

Just someone wanting to make a quick buck. Sue happy USA, the new american dream.

Screw these hippies. Die all of you.

knappoleon

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> @T-man: Right on...
For me, T-MAN cuts to the heart of it. When did it the rule of law become optional?


gdeakin

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> @sisedi: Here ya go: [ap.google.com]

Let's see...if NO ONE ever gets arrested over a wiretapped conversation, then what's the use of wiretapping?

The whole point is that the entire deal is secret. Over 150,000 National Security Letters, and if you get one and talk about it, YOU go to Federal Penitentiary, if you're lucky.

It's amazing that the Canadian and German citizens who were whisked off to Syrian and Afghan torture chambers by the CIA were released to talk about it, but then, they had people who knew they were missing after their secret renditions, didn't they?

Auld_Lang_Ziety

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> I love the "if you don't have anything to hide.." argument. Everyone has things they would rather keep private. Children have secrets. My dog hides things. How's this: If you don't have anything to hide, you're a worthless human being.

crap-action-jackson

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> @BobbyMills: That is an extremely dangerous and foolish mindset. History has shown, time and time again, that those who take the attitude of "Well I'm not guilty of anything so the authorities can do what they want" ultimately lose freedoms. And your clearly ignorant if you think the term "slippery slope" has anything to do with conspiracy theorists. Hint: Read the headlines about what's going on in Pakistan, Venezuela, etc.

I've actually visited AT&T's RTP site and met their NetSec team, who handle all of the abuse complaints and issues for AT&T (both source and target). I've worked in information security for years. There's very serious and real problems with wholesale monitoring of Internet communications.

It's not just about spying on US citizens. It's about a power imbalance. What assurances do we have that the people who can access all this information (e-mails, browsing histories, contact information, etc) won't abuse it? None. And what evidence do we have that it can be abused? Plenty.

[www.first.org]
[www.darkreading.com]
[www.darkreading.com]

Regarding the video clip, it's an excellent summary of the situation, but only from one viewpoint. Some anonymous insiders have said AT&T had no choice, others say that AT&T just got greedy. Here's a good summary of the overall risks of this sort of activity:

[www.schneier.com]

Jeff the Riffer

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> @Barcard: And of course I mean someone caught for non-terrorist suspicion.

sisedi

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> @Barcard: Well point to me the story that shows a person being arrested for something they were caught saying over a 'wiretap' and I will completely agree with you. But since you can't I will have to disagree.

sisedi

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> We lose more and more of our civil liberties each and every day. We have to make a stand. We need to spread the word about this and try to support the EFF in every way possible.

pastrychef

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> @BobbyMills:

Umm, you just typed "saddam hussein" and "al-queda" in your comment. So did I. Now we are both suspects. Yes, we both should be able to sue both AT&T and the government for any harassment that results from this. Saddam and al-queda are legitimate topics of conversation for both the media and ordinary citizens.

You argument is the old "only the guilty have anything to fear" line that goes all the way back to the Nixon administration, when they were trying to cover up their Watergate crimes. The innocent have to fear the loss of free speach, free press, and government and corporate accountablitiy. The guilty don't care about any of that.

Barcard

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> @BobbyMills: I guess the fact that it's illegal shouldn't matter either.

[And if you don't think it's illegal, what's the point of trying to get immunity for the people who did it?]

T-man

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> @BobbyMills: The slippery slope folks are the ones that wear aluminum hats to protect their thoughts.
If you are not planning against the country, then what do you have to fear? Last time I checked, folks against anything can still share their opinions, meet and discuss. Actionable items is what gets serious attention.
If people are paranoid of "what ifs", they can opt to not participate in tech that allows snooping.



wk1234

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> um..if your not doing anything terrorist-related, i don't think this should matter. And if you read about how they do wiretaps, no ones names or personal data is recorded, your voices aren't recorded, it just keeps a record of two places and for how long that conversation took place and if they pick up some words that you used, they red flag it (like saddam hussein, al-queda, etc) Having people try and sue the crap out of the telecom companies is ridiculous, and is only for people trying to make a quick buck. Talking to your grandma is not going to have you wiretapped and labelled as a terrorist. sheesh.

BobbyMills

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> Will we ever learn that it isn't the initial implementation of a policy that poses the threat? It is what it morphs into over time, aka the slippery slope issue. What starts as looking for bad guys becomes a search for those who merely disagree while posing no threat.
In this case the bad guy's goal is to change our way of life by destroying things, inducing fear, etc. We are falling for it and changing our beliefs. I won't say they are winning, but they do seem to be gaining ground.
And the people forcing the changes are completely unaware they are being manipulated while convinced they are doing the right thing.
Be very afraid!
On the lighter side, the content sniffers aren't 100% effective and produce false leads. Those false positives are distributed down to a limited number of policemen and agents. Considering the massive amounts of data being sifted, even a small error rate quickly overwhelms the gumshoes on the street. The net effect? No improvement in security.
Can one treat kjrs (knee jerk reaction syndrome) with meds for restless leg syndorme? Big Pharma, where are you when we need you?
LOL!







dfwguy

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> Isn't there a political blog for this stuff?

FThorn

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> three years ago if you talked about this people would roll their eyes. now they just roll over. i hate people.

slumlord

]]> <![CDATA[Video: The AT&T Wiretapping Dealio Explained in Two Minutes]]> yay

The.Goalkeeper

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