Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape - Gizmodo Comments

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

omarh — Tue, 27 May 2008 01:08:58 EDT

I can't believe someone suggested the HG10 over the HF100. That person doesn't know what he's talking about. The HF100 and HF10 both support 17Mbs encoding bitrate and the HG10 max's out at 15Mbs. The extra 2 Mbs is very important and is one of the reasons why this year's models are actually decent.
I hope its not too late you listened to that guy.
also whoever said that DVD and tape have the same shelf life is totally wrong. miniDV tapes will last MUCH longer than any DVD-R. Its just the nature of a digital tape...as long as there's a scrap of signal it should be able to read the digital 1's and 0's...but a dvd-r...will fade after a couple of years at best while a tape should last 15-20 years or more.

omarh

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

blueherongallery — Mon, 12 May 2008 18:06:00 EDT

I called Abes today about buying the HF 100 and the salesman recommended the Canon HG 10 instead. He said that the picture quality was better. I have an intel MacPro and need help in making an intelligent decision.

blueherongallery

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

ARPRINCE — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:33:44 EDT

I can't wait for these models to be released so I can get an HG10 targeting a price point of +/- $500 USD. C'mon Canon, ship them out now!!!!!

ARPRINCE

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

boopolo — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:21:20 EST

Nice Mini review, although the the two cameras at the top of the page are not as the heading states. The first one is new FS10 (or FS11 Fs100), and the second one is the HF10.
In the Introduction you state:
'HF100: It's the HF10, but in silver and missing the SDHC slot'.
It has in fact got an SDHC slot but is missing the 16GB built-in memory of the HF10.

The RRP for the HF10 will be US$1,099 and HF100 will be US$899. The HG10's price had now come down to £599 (including 17% tax) in recent weeks, so there should be good discounts on these new models by mid-summer.
For The US: They are priced $100 either side of the new HV30, so I would expect to see them $100 either side of the current HV20 which the HV30 replaces.
Boo

boopolo

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

andrelix — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:42:41 EST

did I miss the price? I currently own a DV (JVC) but would like to go to a solid state HD camcorder. There are some downsides to solid state, like you can't just erase part of a file or overwrite part and the quality currently is not there. Now, a totally off topic, someone needs to clarify this HD HD thing when it comes to camcorders. Are we talking hard drive or high def? I am starting to see HD used everywhere and it is getting a little confusing. Back on topic, I want one too...

andrelix

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

elvindeath — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:48:20 EST

I'm so torn. I need a new HD Camcorder before a Disney trip this June .... but I still can't decide between Tape or Flash.

Last time around I decided I hated tape, so I went with the Sony DVD-Camcorder. Ick. Horrible mistake. Lot easier to keep track of my tapes.

elvindeath

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

ctthoqqua — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:41:00 EST

@Jos: All the more reason to start with the best image possible, at the highest bitrate, with the least compression. Crap in, crap out; you've made my own point.

ctthoqqua

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

Dave! — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:26:37 EST

Prices?

Dave!

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

Joseph — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:17:00 EST

@ctthoqqua: Quality? Even if you took your video off of a raw reel to real tape with an independent 5.1 surround sound recording system, in the end, no one you know is gonna have something that plays that. It's gonna end up compressed on the internet or on a DVD (maybe an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray) so in the end, you're coming back down no matter how high of quality you start off with.

Joseph

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

ctthoqqua — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:11:22 EST

Aha! You may all be correct, but my four-year extended warranty with a replacement clause will be worth it, in the end.

But seriously, for me it's all about the quality. When head-to-head comparisons begin showing AVCHD surpassing HDV in quality, then I'll start pining.

ctthoqqua

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

Joseph — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:22:18 EST

@ctthoqqua:

Tape can be archived. Tape cameras are better than disk or memory-based cameras.

You sound like the CEO of some major Video/Record studio trying
to convince people that they need to stay in the 20th century.

Joseph

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

phlavor — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:22:13 EST

@ CTTHOQQUA

Tapes move. Gears break. Replacements for 9 month old camcorders right after Christmas costs money I don't have. Seeing the look on your budding film making son's face when he realizes all of these facts sucks. Especially when he saved all of his allowance to buy it.

Yay solid state! Viva la revolution!

phlavor

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

kcrusher — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:20:09 EST

You can backup your .DV files to DVD or to another hard drive. DVD's have a shelf life comparable to tape, so...I have no idea what the debate is here...

kcrusher

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

chillywilly — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:15:44 EST

Tempting and nice looking, but I'm with CTT above. While sometimes it's a pain to have to FFW or REW a tape to find something, the advantage is cheap offline storage in case I lose the imported .DV file.

Having an SDHC card slot is good, but storage wise, it's a bit pricey and not large enough yet for full HD videos.

Plus, I do like HDV. So the HV20 is still on my list to upgrade to this year.

chillywilly

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

ok20 — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:10:03 EST

But the HV20 is fugly!

Gizmodo team: could you please inquire/ post the bit rate for the camcorders you are getting your hands on?

Everyone is waiting for higher (>15 Mbps) bit rates on AVCHD camcorders and I am interested in finding out whether manufacturers delivered this year.

ok20

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

MrThunderfield — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:04:01 EST

yay finally some CES stuff from Canon! I think, though, that most of their new stuff will be unveiled at PMA. You guys will cover that too, right?????

MrThunderfield

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

ctthoqqua — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:58:06 EST

Tape. Tape is good. HDV is better than AVCHD. Tape can be archived. Tape cameras are better than disk or memory-based cameras. I like my new HV20.

I just keep telling myself that, and the goblins go away.

ctthoqqua

Canon's HD Vixia HF10 and HF100 Need No Tape

gary_slamson. — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:47:45 EST

i want this. please send me one. thanks!

gary_slamson.