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xbigman15x — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:45:46 EST

@Padriac:
hahaha, i just bought my new macbook, 2.2 ghz core duo processor, 2gb or ram and a VGA adapter.
oh and the apple care plan
would you like to guess what the price is?
$1853...and that is with tax.
soo my macbook is less expensive than if i were to buy a macbook air, beats the crap out of the air and is tied with the macbook pro with exception to the 2.4 ghz model. so i say i made the smart decision here, i paid less and got a great computer, sure it isn't the thinnest computer in the world, BUT i have in terms of buying a notebook from apple one of the best. I have to say, getting a macbook air has got to be the dumbest thing anyone can do when i just bought this little 5 lbs.(OMG, so heavy!!!) of heaven. So yes, every single argument that was said about the macbook air and how slow it is still holds true, pretty much all negative things still hold true.
btw, the black is way more sexy than the silver and black keyboard.

xbigman15x

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notafanboy87 — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 05:31:58 EST

@cylonite: He was trying to compare hardware not software. We already know who won software-wise. If it hurts the PC community's feelings we can upgrade the hardware on the PC sub to about 2X spec. That little handicap should get it close.

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notafanboy87 — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 05:26:16 EST

@daftrok: I'll say this to you. If you can fit all that stuff in a laptop that thin, and keep it that price AND not bomb the company at a loss, then I think there's a job waiting for you at Apple. However, considering you're obviously no engineer and haven't the slightest clue about products, their relative existence or their relative prices, allow me to shed some light on this subject for you. First and foremost, SSD drives in as high quantities as 128 GB are expensive and RARE. We're talking $3-5000 rare (for desktop sized ones!). Apple would not consider this an option. Not yet. Secondly, asking for a graphics card that would be larger than the LogicBoard and CPU would be rather defeatist and again unnecessary, really, how many graphic designers are even glancing at this? Remember the whole computer is shorter than a pencil. Standard superdrive? The 1099 macbook doesn't even have a superdirve, why should this? Let me put this into perspective for you. Apple looked around and asked people what they used most on their computers, and what they used least. Guess what the results were! On average, consumers use Ethernet, Optical drives, Firewire, and PCI-E slots less than twice a year. Unless there is a specific reason as to why the consumer would use such a function, most people DON'T USE THEM. Lastly, remember from last year, how Apple came out with a ton of things that weren't at MacWorld or WWDC? Don't fret, the computer you've been searching for may yet to have been released. Remember, it's only January.

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mrbofus — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:21:02 EST

Are both the MacBook and MacBook Pro laptops you tested outfitted with Core Duo and not Core 2 Duo chips? If you're trying to test the MacBook Air against laptops people might actually own, I think it would be better to do it against Core 2 Duo laptops since there have been more revisions with Core 2 Duo chips than with Core Duo chips for both the MacBook and MacBook Pro. Just my two cents.

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wetworker — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:47:57 EST

@Earthslide:

Or you end up looking like that guy in a fps game looking at the ground, and can't figure out why he's dying so easy.

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nobios — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:21:19 EST

I'm Brasilian (f* z), and I liked the "Seu Jorge's" Mp3s part! :)

Where did it came from?

Anyway, this Air is really a nice piece off hardware, but I will not buy one tough, I really still need the extras that it lacks.

nobios

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mrmoab — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:22:42 EST

I hate to say it, but I think most everyone here is missing the point of the Macbook Air. Its not for most of the world who have desks and/or little commutes, etc. Its not meant to compete with MBP or MB. Its designed for two solid purposes: 1. Bling (yea) 2. Portability. I travel over a million air miles a year and would LOVE a smaller and lighter macbook than my MBP for traveling and working on planes, etc. This is perfect for those 'on the go'. I won't be doing intensive Photoshop work on it, or editing film. I will be doing presentations, managing email and other communication and the other necessities while away. For this purpose its a home run.

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cylonite — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:19:36 EST

@Brau: windows based latops cant run Mac OSX legally so what would be the point in comparing them? Just to bash Vista? That is so easy nowadays :p

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NeoPoliticus — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:51:02 EST

There are no competing Windows laptops. The Air is about style. That's something the Windows community will never have.

But the main point is that a 1.6Ghz Mac with 2G of Ram can do everything the normal user would want to - as opposed to a Vista laptop of the same specs, which can't do much of anything.

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Brau — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:55:23 EST

What, pray tell, is the point of Mac-Mac benchmarks?? Of course the newer Macs will be faster. What about the Air vs any other ultraportable PCs doing similar tasks like rendering massive images in Photoshop while running Mac OS vs Windows versions. That seems way more relevant to me. Then we'd see whether the Mac gets any bang for the buck over competing Windows PCs.

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capitalass — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 01:59:37 EST

@Earthslide: Except, while speeding in a car external factors slow you down, like those pesky red lights and other traffic. When a faster computer does not slow you down, and continuously allows proper multitasking, then these things matter.

When you can compile code, research online, listen to an audio book, and burn a dvd (sort of irrelevant here) without slowdown to simply refresh a window, it makes a difference, and the only redlights are your own inefficiencies. I mean, even at work when drafting simple word docs, and using research multiple firefox windows and pulling excel data, I find significant slowdown. It's distracting and takes away from my efficiency. I would love to finish the mundane tasks more quickly so that I can waste my time at a red light.

Still, to be fair, the airbook would be apealing to those who need it for portability/fashionable reasons (I guess...I mean there are more portable computers, and arguably better looking ones, but I'm also not attracted to anorexic women, so what do I know) and who also do not need specific capabilities, but one can hardly justify that there is no need for more performance for all users. 64k...

capitalass

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luisaugusto — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:16:25 EST

engadget benchmarks looks a lot more realistic than those ;)

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raj — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:44:14 EST

How long does it run on battery if you have the solid state drive? That's the piece of information I've been trying find out since it was announced.

raj

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insomniac — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:10:29 EST

i think mac air is actually awesome besides the price, as long as i get a docking station with it, it has everything i normally use on my laptop. i rarely use usb or optical drive on the move, as long as it has bluetooth and wifi that's all u need, enclosed battery in the other hand they should fix that as a portable device that is crucial

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wesrubix — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:09:47 EST

Ok a Core2Duo in a smaller package that was supposed to come out later with Montevino, or whatever it's called, but it's still a C2D.

wesrubix

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wesrubix — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:09:15 EST

Please be more specific in the future for your specs. The Macbook Air has a Core2Duo.

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Padriac — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:56:17 EST

@daftrok: the point isn't that the MBA is "slower", because we all knew that from the specs. The point is HOW MUCH slower, and do small amounts of "slower" even matter anymore (for most people)?

What these benchmarks show is that the MBA runs random normal tasks in approximately the same time as the other systems. I know you want to think one of these is "fastest" and thus one is "slowest", but it might be better to think of it that they are all "fast enough" for most people for all but very specialized tasks.

Padriac

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SchruteBuck — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:39:51 EST

@Brian Lam: And take that Santa hat off, it's almost February. Sorry, random rant.

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cabowah — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:21:56 EST

Most of you guy's don't get it. This computer is very good for those who only check email. stop bitching about you cant afford it, and its to slow. Just buy the MBP and you will get all the power you need plus a reasonable form factor.

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x23 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:16:09 EST

@youbastid: nothing will happen as FCP HD is incompatible with integrated graphics. if someone is editing in FCP HD i would suggest a different machine namely a MacBook Pro but more likely a Mac Pro. similar to how nails work better with a hammer vs. a screwdriver.

but seeing as Final Cut didn't exist in my original example i'd have to make the current example relate to something similar. and i would guess a MacBook Air would run Photoshop / Illustrator / After Effects perfectly fine. those are all complex tools that have current and relevant versions.

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daftrok — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:45:01 EST

@Brian Lam:
Apologies I failed to read the fine print. But that comes to show how slow the Macbook Air REALLY is. It can't eve compete with the previous generation Macbook let alone the Santa Rosa Macbook. I'm hating the Air more and more...

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daftrok — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:43:28 EST

@Brian Lam:

The Macbooks run on the Santa Rosa Motherboard and therefore run on the same processors that exist on a Macbook Pro. Macbook is 2.0 GHz and 2.2 GHz whereas Macbook Pro is 2.2GHz and 2.4GHz. The only thing that the Macbook Pro trumps the Macbook on is the video card. Other than that they are equals (specs wise)

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youbastid — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:57:48 EST

@squirgle: Yeah, doofus, but the software becomes more complex as the hardware gets better. I used to video edit on a G4/450 too. Try running FCP HD on one of those, and see what happens.

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nosauten — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:44:52 EST

@itchytooth: Sorry. I wasn't referring to Apple's pricing--I was refering to the price of such a drive in general, costing that much. (After reading my comments, I see I wasn't too clear on that:)

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x23 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:38:51 EST

forgot to add : get off my lawn!

x23

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x23 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:37:56 EST

"I was doing full-blown video editing jobs on a G3 powerbook with something like a 6 gig hard drive and something like a 300 megahertz processor nearly 10 years ago."

same here. on a 1998 "Wallstreet" 300Mhz G3 with 96MB RAM / 8GB hard drive. encoded on the Avid (no Firewire Powerbook until 2000... shot on Beta SP anyway.) then dumped the footage to the laptop via SCSI disk mode or over the 10-BaseT network.

made literally hundreds of commercials and several dozen longform productions on it using After Effects then rendered back out in Avid format.

was perfectly acceptable in everyway. even with 720p HD i can't see doing video work on the Air being a huge catastrophe. but then i remember when you had to actually wait on renders. and also when you actually had to create motion effects from scratch vs. clicking a preset.

x23

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Erzengel — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:35:05 EST

PANTS IT!!!

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qed57 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:34:00 EST

per the external superdrive...

when something costs $99 extra, we don't usually say it "comes with it".

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x23 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:28:08 EST

@SchruteBuck: not to mention the Core 2 Duo vs. Core Duo. i noticed a decent jump in performance going from one processor to the other... at the same Ghz rating.

x23

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Petrogk — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:26:15 EST

@YOYI2K

At least this "lame ass" test gives me numbers that actually mean something in the real world...

I don't want to have to extrapolate to figure out how much of a difference this is going to make for me when I transfer a file.

Petrogk

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ekornblum — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:10:22 EST

I definitely wouldn't get it as my primary machine (would want something with more ports & speed), but for those that already have a desktop, it seems like a great laptop for commute/travel.

And for those wanting a smaller form factor (ie a 10 or 12 inch), what? This won't fit in your purse? I like a screen & keyboard big enough to be useable, and any bag i've got is big enough for a vanilla envelope. The thinness makes a difference though. I'd much rather carry around something magazine sized rather than oxford dictionary sized...

This is my perfect travel laptop for email, web, photo editing, etc. I wasn't looking to get a laptop before they released this. Now i'm considering it.

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thistle.john — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:06:47 EST

how come the macbook pro boot time is faster than the iMac?

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Padriac — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:50:59 EST

I love it. Everybody was bitching about how underpowered the MBA is, but when the benchmarks show it to pretty much be in the same ballpark as both the Macbook and Macbook Pro all of a sudden people find excuses.

"But the Macbook only has 1GB of RAM! blah blah blah". Yes, because that's how Macbooks are sold. Adding RAM increases the price and thus starts negating the macbook price advantage.

@Brian Lam: Does the MBA "feel" sluggish in any noticable way? Or if you didn't know beforehand would you never even know that you are using a 4200 RPM hard drive?

Padriac

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Brian Lam — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:42:30 EST

@itchytooth: That's a good post.

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Brian Lam — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:42:03 EST

@daftrok: Doubt it. Core solo 2.0 ghz is not going to dust a core 2 duo Pro with 2.33 and the same RAM. @hhaller: Agreed.

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Brian Lam — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:40:49 EST

@SchruteBuck: THE kind that has some machines around his house. Look the Macbook standard is from 2 years ago when 1GB was par. The pro is a little more recent. This gives you an idea, but no one is calling this a solid race between the most modern machines. What do you have at home? A 2 week old Macbook pro and a macbook? That's not realistic. What is realistic is comparing this to stuff people might actually own.

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Brian Lam — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:39:00 EST

@object.session: Your point?

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Brian Lam — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:37:16 EST

Ripping and encoding CDs are fine real world benchmarks. So are video conversions and file transfers. Diku, bye.

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prof_de_francais — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:37:10 EST

Maybe I missed something, but this is the first time I've heard of a machine that can wirelessly send EVERYTHING from your old Mac onto the MBA including applications. . . that is (in the famous words of Beavis) the coolest thing I have ever seen!

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rednecktech — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:35:25 EST

My last comment on the MBA and probably the last post I read about it. My comment is as follows:

Meh

rednecktech

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object.session — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:28:04 EST

@diku:

saying gizmodo doesn't have "journalistic integrity" (or saying they do sarcastically . . i think) is like saying that your comment doesn't follow the chicago manual of style.

object.session

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fisherKing — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:08:37 EST

benzido...hear ya!

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itchytooth — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:01:03 EST

Oops, petrogk beat me to it.

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Benzido — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:59:57 EST

To all of those people who can't see an audience for this - I write for a living, like a lot of people with desk jobs do, and it's basically the perfect, minimal computer for my work needs.

You can't game on it, you can't play DVDs on it, you can't plug in three peripherals at once, and you can't plug a camcorder into it. In other words, finally I can get some work done.

Benzido

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itchytooth — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:59:30 EST

@nosauten: This may have been mentioned in Gizmodo comments already, but have you shopped around for a 64GB 1.8" solid state drive? $1,000 is about $700 cheaper than I'm seeing it elsewhere.

I guess they could have just not offered it. Would that make you happy?

itchytooth

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Petrogk — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:50:31 EST

Again...
I'd like to point out that 1000$ is cheap for a 64GB SSD.
All other manufacturers charge more.
In fact HP juste released a PC with a 16GB SSD option yesterday for 328$....328*4=1300$

I'm not fanboy, and sure it's expensive...but stop bashing it b/c it's a Mac. The MBA is priced normally even very FAIRLY versus its competition!

Petrogk

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lithivm — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:49:50 EST

What kind of "test" was that? at least keep the same amount of RAM of all models.

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dev97 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:46:51 EST

You call these benchmarks?

Ripping a CD?

WTF?

dev97

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squirgle — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:45:42 EST

The computer industry has done waaaaaaaaaay too good a job convincing people they need the latest and greatest processor. I was doing full-blown video editing jobs on a G3 powerbook with something like a 6 gig hard drive and something like a 300 megahertz processor nearly 10 years ago. There's nothing 99 percent of the population are ever going to do that requires half the processing power the MBA or any other computer out there offers.

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trongod05 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:44:10 EST

In other news this page doesn't render correctly.

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kavendano14 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:44:08 EST

@warknight10: If my eyes deceive thats an iPod

kavendano14

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firemillen2 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:44:00 EST

In short, pay $1800 for the slowest mac you can buy and no, you can't upgrade anything....just cause it's so slim. wooohoooo.

firemillen2

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l33tforlif3 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:39:55 EST

faster then i thought it would perform. still wouldnt get one though...

l33tforlif3

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fisherKing — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:39:47 EST

i may go for one...i need to replace my 12" powerbook, and want something similarly small and light.

i do most of my real work on a desktop mac,so this is mostly for writing, email, safari...and some Reason work (reason 4.0, which sucks enormously on my pb).

what i REALLY want is a 12" macbook pro...but years are passing by, and seems highly unlikely (dammit).

fisherKing

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cxw175 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:35:28 EST

The MBA is a step in a smaller and greener direction...eventually, this tech will trickle down to a laptop we might want to actually buy. so, for now, it is for chicks and guys that like chick stuff (you know who you are)....oh! and for people that travel blah, blah, blah

cxw175

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hhaller — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:35:05 EST

So far this is the first MBA post I've seen where the comments weren't filled with redundant annoying griping and complaints that it's been posted to much. Good work people.

I've come to a conclusion about the MBA. The product itself as it exists now is not particularly interesting to me and isn't very useful for most people. Yet I still find it very exciting. I think it's exciting for what it will mean for future laptops. I can't wait to see what Apple does to the Macbook Pro's with what they've learned from this and what other manufacturers will do to compete with it and an how they'll use the new smaller chip design. Give me a full powered, as thin/small as possible update and I'll be thrilled.

hhaller

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daftrok — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:33:53 EST

I'll say it once and I'll say it again, there is a difference between ultraportable and ultrathin and this laptop is ultrathin. It would have been much more logical to make a 12" laptop with those same specifications (maybe even a touchscreen) at that price.

If the Macbook didn't exist then this laptop would have been interesting, but seeing as there is a much more affordable Mac (which is laughable because the Macbook is overpriced) with much more capabilities.

BTW, was it just me or were people hoping for a replacement for the Macbook with a 13" Macbook Pro (some of these features would be nice on their 15" and 17" models too):
1) Aluminum casing
2) LED backlighting
3) 45nm Penryn C2D processors
4) Possibly an 8400M GT card that comes standard
5) Superdrive standard
6) 2 GB standard (for people that want to run Vista)
7) Introduction to Hybrid HDD technology (standard?)
8) Optional upgrade to 32, 64 or 128 GB SSD
9) $1099 price tag

There would have been something in the air. The sound of a standing ovation.

daftrok

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KJA — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:28:20 EST

Does anybody else think the Macbook Air isn't necessary for Apple? Look at it this way. It was not necessary for Apple to create a third iteration of their Apple notebooks. They really should have just updated the Macbook Pro to be thinner (while keeping the Superdrive), like we all wanted while updating the specifications of the notebook. Hell, I would like to have seen Apple incorperate Penryn processors rather to make it thinner (I want an iMac with Penryn inside).

KJA

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1jaxstate1 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:26:40 EST

Damn, the keyboard makes the MBA hideous once it's opened.

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SchruteBuck — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:26:04 EST

@daftrok: I tend to agree. What kind of benchmark gives one of the competitors an extra gig of memory?

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DW — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:25:55 EST

@daftrok: That's excatly what I was about to mention. And even when you add another 1 gig of RAM to the Macbook (making it a total of 2 gigs) and upgrade the HD to 120 gigabytes, you still come out about $450 cheaper than the Macbook Air.

I dunno... I'm still not sold on this thing. It's definitely for people with a heck of a lot more disposable income than I have :)

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jvt — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:25:29 EST

@daftrok:
Seems fair since that's the standard RAM for a MB and a MBA.

jvt

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nosauten — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:24:21 EST

7. Johm Mayer has an advance copy, and I don't

PS.
The relationship between John Mayer and Steve Jobs is like the relationship between Gizmodo and Technology....

It's just Unnatural!

nosauten

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Kaiser-Machead's Chips Ahoy! — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:24:07 EST

@Earthslide: Yes. Yes I do.

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Earthslide — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:22:19 EST

Result: It gets the job done regardless. It's like people who speed vs those who don't ... They eventually catch the red light and wait along like everyone else. Do people really have to be somewhere 1-3 seconds faster?

Earthslide

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nosauten — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:21:34 EST

@daftrok: Yes. This laptop sucks because....
1. No built in Optical Drive
2. Carrying a portable optical drive around with this thing is more cumbersome than carrying around a bigger laptop
3. Too expensive
4. Are you kidding? $1000 more for a solid state drive--I don't think so!
5. Where is the Micro NVIDIA graphics chip???
6. (insert your comment here and continue if you like)

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daftrok — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:18:21 EST

Well to be fair the Macbook was only running on 1 GB of RAM instead of two. I'm sure that if you give it 2 GB of RAM it will be toe to toe with the Macbook Pro and leave the Air in the dust (hehe). Another reason why this laptop sucks.

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Kaiser-Machead's Chips Ahoy! — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:17:46 EST

I'd like to see how the SSD model compares when you guys get a hold of one.

Kaiser-Machead's Chips Ahoy!

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warknight10 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:17:19 EST

I like the iphone usage here...xD

warknight10