<![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> Even NPD has complained about how their numbers are being interpreted. Although y'all are right that likely HD DVD is dead, dead, dead, it's not the bleak picture y'all paint. Chill; you can't expect people who've gone to the trouble of working on a standard like HD DVD to just say, "OK, as of June, we'll only have like 30% studio support so let's just give up right now."

If you can't figure out that sales went through the floor when most retailers outside of Amazon dropped their HD DVD discounting, plus Sony blitzing prime-time TV with commercials selling the PS3 (as a GAME MACHINE) and not understand that it's a bit murkier than you'd like to believe...well, I'm just glad none of us are business trend analysts, because we're all full of fail.

I'd say that, on top of the facts presented by NPD, with all the bad press HD DVD's been getting, it's not hard to understand why people wouldn't want to buy HD DVD movies now. Who outside of Amazon is discounting the movies? What I've seen locally is that software prices are IDENTICAL for the two formats. If HD DVD is truly dead, and all that's left is to either clearance-sale or dispose of movies, where's my $20 Season 1 Battlestar Galactica box set, man??? C'mon, Best Buy, if you're not even going to try to promote anything outside Blu-Ray, at least follow Amazon's lead and discount the things.

Or is this just part of a concerted effort to pick the "right" format?

I'd like one format or the other to win, just one, sure, thanks, but I'm uneasy about Blu. Something about an evolving format just gives me the heebie-jeebies. I've had my current CD player since 1990 and have no plans to trash this unit until it dies on its own. It's this tank of a JVC unit that's a 6-disc changer and does supersampling. When I got it it sounded every bit as good as 1-bit conversion units I've heard, if not better. In contrast, if I get a BD-Live player this fall, will the machine support all the special features on a disc I buy two years from now? If not, then thank you, but no.

I fully acknowledge that the same could happen with HD DVD, though, so chill out.

Cripes, I get sick of fanboys on both sides, but as an American, the Iraq ware comes to mind when this comes up.

I don't mean to make light of terrible world events, but this time I'm going to make an exception by comparing HD DVD vs Blu-Ray to something that matters.

The HD DVD camp reminds me of the pre-war Iraqi defense quy who was always on TV talking about how Iraq was going to crush the Americans, etc.

The Blu-Ray camp, the 900lb. gorilla, playing the part of the underdog at times, declaring victory very early in the game, going through the "mopping up" and it'd all be wrapped up if only those other guys would figure out that they'd been defeated already.

So chill out, guys. Don't be so quick to declare victory. Doing so makes you George W. Bush. Sure, you'll be right in the end, provided enough cash and manpower goes into the effort, but you'll alienate everyone else and be broke to boot.

regeya

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> is toshiba the new titanic? my 360 hd-dvd is on ebay already. I'm gonna stick with my upscaling $30 philips hdmi dvd player for now

discounteggroll

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @ImTheKing: Not in the US. But be realistic here for a moment. Toshiba has sold way fewer players than there are PS3s, they also seem to be able to get at least a slight profit out of the current models (even at the reduced price) while Sony will continue to bleed Money with the PS3 for a while longer.

Snowrunner

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> I hear HD-DVD sales are on the rise according to this absolutely entirely factual news clip! [phasezero.ca]

weendex

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> *to any1 who says blu-ray players r 2 expensive. Just get a PS3, it plays blu-ray but its cheaper than the blu-ray players and plays games too. Win-win

tjmage1

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @kiwijaws: JESUS!!! all of those things come with the blu-ray!!?? i wasnt aware... BTW you do realize that EVERYONE in the "studio business" has "phonybloggers/movie critics and graffiti artists". exploding batteries? c'mon dude, sony isnt the only one that has manufactured exploding batteries or devices. what about toshiba's crappy hd flat panel TVs? those dont bother you when thinking about HD-DVD? how bout their media players? (what was that POS called "gigabeat" or something like that? that thing had a battery life of 10 minutes) that doesnt bother you when thinking about HD-DVD? toshiba runs the "DVD forum". they shot down blu-ray long enough to put their own product out. if sony had done that EVERYONE and their mommas would be calling that out right now. im not a fanboy of either. i can make my own dicisions without some group's "peer pressure". i have sony bravias setup with toshiba DVD players(OMG!! HOW DARE I DO SUCH A THING?!). i love sony's TVs and toshibas players. the best for the prices. when toshiba starts making the blu-ray players im gonna go out and by one. then next time i need a camera "cybershot" will do it for me. see how simple that is? this whole format war ending is just good for the general consumer no matter which way it goes.

izim1

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> rollover and die already... i'm sick of all these "but HD-DVD has teh comeback!" BS blogs. Blu-ray won.

lol, pic says all

Akmed

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @izim1: I wouldn't mind Blu ray if not for Sony with its rootkits, phony bloggers/movie critic, graffiti artists and exploding batteries

kiwijaws

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> One of the 2 needs to F__king die Already!

winmac

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @izim1:
No, the simple fact that Sony was devious and downright unethical enough to put a rootkit on their CDs is evidence enough that the company execs are untrustworthy. Seriously, in today's day and age and computer security being what it is, did they really think they could get away with it? I am a computer engineer for a law firm and have dealt with rootkits. They are by far the worst malware you can deal with and a large scale, a complete nightmare. They are simply not to be trusted and if I can help it, I will boycott every single one of their products. Just not sure when I will stop at this point.


doop2001

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> Keep on truckin' HD-DVD. You may lose, but keep up the pressure!

Aaron Martin-Colby

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @izim1: People certainly do forget the fact that betamax was better than vhs...

berribrand

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @quagmire0: What, are HD DVD movies free? I don't get your point at all. I pay the same monthly fee to Netflix to get Blu-Ray as I do to get regular DVDs. As for the player, yea I got a PS3 for games, movies, streaming music over my home network, and interoperability with my PSP. It was a very good deal if you ask me.

berribrand

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @bpm2000:
betamax was, is, and always will be better than VHS. betamax were first before JVC came along with their cheaper VHS. the arguement of "people will buy the cheaper product" isnt as strong as it was BEFORE people were spending $5-10k on intertainment systems. now sony was first in the hi-def DVDs with their blu-ray before TOshiba (who runs the dvd forum) shot it down as "THE" new format to give them time to bring out their HDDVD a year later. but oh yeah, any reasonable unbiased person can see how sony is "evil an crappy". plus sony cams are the best for the price. Ditto for their TVs. minidisc coulda held their own had they not been so expensive. i cant believe how many sony haters just exist probably because they once saw a group of other sony haters and decided to jump on the bandwagon without really knowing what they were talking about. or because they bought an XBOX 360 so know, that somehow makes sony their "rivals"....

izim1

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> Oh thank god for BPM2000, I wasn't sure what I was going to mention betamax. You can't mention blu-ray without pointing out betamax. It is impossible. Betamax. Sony made betamax. Hey everyone.. betamax.

mrgingis

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> like many have stated, i cant believe how quickly people are forgetting how crappy a company sony has been in the past years.. betamax, rootkits, etc. I will miss you when you're gone, HD-DVD.

bpm2000

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @BostonPimpDaddy: Just to correct you for the 80th time on another post, you can rip Blu-ray. I don't know why anyone even brings up DRM when its all hacked anyway.

imTheKing

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> I put all the blame on Hollywood. Scumbags. They don't even make good movies anymore. I will not be supporting BR, I will continue to get my content on DVDs where I can rip and do what I want, and upscale them.

BostonPimpDaddy

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @QAdam: How about being an industry leader in laptop computer technology?

Zlevee

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @calebc: Yeah I figure it's gonna be Blu-Ray. I like HD-DVD better but realistically they have an uphill battle.

Zlevee

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> Those cheering for BluRay are just the people that gave Sony tons of $$$$ to be the pioneer owners of their new technology. Now they are just looking for a little ego stroke to justify that they 'made the right choice'. As for the rest of us, we know that Sony, if they succeed, will ensure that we are all paying way too much for players, movies, and the like. If HD-DVD were to succeed, everyone wins.......except for those people that just HAD to have PS3 and Blu-Ray first.

quagmire0

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @Zlevee: I see your point. I just think they're more likely to tune out the commercials because they already think they're set.

As a side note, since its anecdotal, I wouldn't use it to support my argument, but I personally have seen far more Blu-Ray commercials than HD-DVD and find them much more enticing.
As someone who just wants a winner and has no vested interest in either format, I have to admit I'm leaning Blu-Ray now simply because the path to resolution seems much shorter for Blu-Ray than it does HD-DVD. But I will continue to wait for a more official death of HD-DVD before jumping in (sticking my toe in at this point?).

calebc

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> Toshiba, die already. go back to making clock radios and crappy 13" bedroom CRT tvs.....

QAdam

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @raygamma: Sorry dude, but if you've ever worked in an electronics store you'd realize the average consumer doesn't know much.

As an aside -- the majority of electronics store employees don't know much about what they're selling either. Research is the only way for a store patron to not get screwed. Which is something most people won't do.

Zlevee

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @calebc: You're actually supporting my point. You've summed up why a sudden blitz of marketing, like Toshiba apparently is beginning to do (note that another commenter afte me said he just saw his first HD-DVD TV commercial) could achieve quite a lot.

Zlevee

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @eFish: Good luck. The few thousand people aren't going to sway the labels / studios. Sounds like the HD-DVD group turned into smaller versions of Michael Bay.

imTheKing

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @phoomp: Agreed.

Kaiser-Machead's Chips Ahoy!

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> Someone needs to do what VHS did to Betamax. Release an open source format that is almost as good but half the price.
I remember the tape format war. One weekend I went to Target and there were a couple of Betamaxes on the shelf for $1000.00 each. The next week the Betamaxes were gone and there were 20 different VHSs at $250 each. It was quick and painless. Sony had a couple of commercials saying how much better they were but it was futile. Personally I thought Hi8mm and 4mm DAT were going to be more successful. Small, high quality but it is typical that the Media favorite wins. Anyone remember before CDs when they tried putting music on ROM chips?


reddingofish

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> "Save HD DVD" you can make a difference haha.
vote here...
www.petitiononline.com/SAVEHDD/petition.html



eFish

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @Snowrunner: Thats a great way to view in a one sided way. Your saying that only Sony took a loss on players? Shit... Toshiba was dropping HD-DVD players for $90 during the holiday and they even bumped up a lot of deals to 10 free movies! where the hell do you live?

imTheKing

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> A free Blu Ray player offer doesn't account for why HD DVD player sales SLUMPED last week to almost 1/10th of the previous week's sales figures. Even if Blu Ray picked up a few sales from a promotion, the straight fact is that the Warner announcement totally knocked the stuffing out of HD DVD. Sales of HD DVD were so low that I wouldn't be surprised if the number of returns outstripped actual sales.

DrXym

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> I am still at a loss as to why people cheer for blu-ray like it was some kind of team. I have hated this whole ordeal, but I am even more pissed that the region-encoded, multiple can't-make-up-their-minds revision level format is going to win.

theespacepope

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> With Blu-Ray as the HD format, and Sony's history of abusing the formats it controls, I'll be sticking to DVD until it's no longer possible to get content in that format.

phoomp

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @evilsnowman: Dude, what store? You gotta share the info!

Wilson Rothman

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> pack it up hd-dvd.. you were never welcome here.. blu-ray forever

savager

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> Considering how much the BDA seems to drum these one week numbers I am geting the feeling they are nervous about not being able to win this absolutely after all. No surprise there, they have literaly given away product for free in order to look like they are winning (BOGO's count as a SALE, even though they are basicaly giving half of the "sold" movies away for free).

The funny thing about all of this is that with Warners still to happen defection Blu-Ray just got itself a lot steeper hill to climb. If they don't totally win this now they have lost the war anyways. Meanwhile Toshiba only needs to make sure they keep at least 30% of the market to write it up as a "win".

Something else to consier is: How long is Sony (who is bankrolling a lot of this) able to sustain this before their Shareholders start beating them over the head with the PS3? Toshiba has invested very little by comparision and yet has been hanging in there quite well, it looks to me the economic model for HD DVD is much better than for Blu-Ray.

Oh, and as "insult to injury", Toshiba makes money on every PS3 sold, after all they bought the Cell plant from Sony, so not only is Sony losing money on every PS3 they put on the shelf but they are (indirectly) funding HD DVD.

*Gets Popcorn* It's really Toshiba's game still.

Snowrunner

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @Zlevee: The problem with this logic is that you're using *logic* regarding "ignorant masses". Studies show that the "ignorant masses" don't even realize that just buying an HDTV doesn't get them HD content. They're happily watching their DVD's and thinking it's now in HD because of the huge chunk of change they just dropped on their big new TV.

Hell, half or more of them didn't even change the settings on their DVD player and are watching stretched out 4:3 content.

These are not the people in the market for the next High Def format.

calebc

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @terryinst.paul:

my rogers cable internet has a limit of 60gigs.

So I have to make sure I don't torrent TOO many files.

Paying $50 and still no unlimited bandwidth. Even then full 18mbps $100 plan only comes with 90gigs.

Rob C

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> Good thing I ordered a bunch of HD-DVDs this last week when a store freaked out and dropped their prices to $15 bucks each. Ahahaha

EvilSnowMan

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> Oddly enough, I just saw an ad on tv for HD-DVD...

something about how it's the true High Definition format...

I wasn't really paying attention, but I did think it was strange timing.

ideaman2020

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @terryinst.paul: They can track anything your doing. Your assigned an IP from them, and from that, they can see the traffic that goes through that IP.

Browsing the web is not enough to go through 60 - 120 Gigs of bandwidth in a month. Watching 10 - 20 HD movies a month might be.

diabolusunknown

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> The simple fact that Tosh feels compelled to acknowledge and comment on this report, to me signals that they are indeed as against the ropes as everyone thinks. Showing weakness like this is not going to bring them any new support.

calebc

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @SBM_from_LA:
Why do people always say that the ISPs will limit your usage. I have Qwest high speed? DSL at home at 7Mbs and 3Mbs at work. My wife and kids have the home puter on all the time on the internet(12-20 hrs a day) and 3 at work on the internet all day. I have NEVER had a problem at all. Do some ISPs really limit your usage? How do they know how much you've used?


TerryinSt.Paul

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> give consumers more credit on their knowledge of the formats. Through the use of the internet with blogs and articles, the average consumer can generally make a decision on whether bd or hd-dvd's are the way to go.
Sure there was a promo on getting all these free discs and ps3's but i personally wouldn't buy a tv knowing that a format was on the downward spiral. It would be no incentive to me. Now, if we can get the best buy/cc sales agendas to change from trying to get rid of their inventory on HD-DVD players and movies before the real work on the format war is out...than we see some direction.

raygamma

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> Let's not forget about the possibility of ISP's changing their flat rate plans and putting limits on your usuage.

SBM_from_LA

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> Toshiba is just trying to save enough face to clear out their stock of HD-DVD players and movies. The format war is over, it is just a matter of Toshiba selling off their stuff so they can move on and build Blu-ray players themselves.

Monty

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> meh.. at least this battle is sturring the economy in its little way.

shift_nismo

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> The gist of this is that in one week BD sales went from ~15k to ~20k, and HD DVD went from ~14k to ~1k.

Both volumes are low because of the time of year, BD is higher because of promos, HD DVD is lower because of pricing and the Warner announcement.

The week after this week (that the data is from) would include the new lower priced HD DVD players, so it would be nice if we could get that info.

jiffy

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @Wilson Rothman: hahaha. Yeah I think thats what he meant. I sat here re-reading his post for a few minutes trying to figure out where I was going wrong.

imTheKing

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @diabolusunknown: I think you mean, "Yes, they are right," cuz that's what I said.

Wilson Rothman

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @fsusmithc2: and their TV's :). I <3 my Bravias.

imTheKing

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @Wilson Rothman: No, they are right. 4-7Mbps for downloads and 25-30Mbps for discs is a massive difference. So is the potential for lossless audio.

We need much more bandwidth for HD downloads to make their way here.

diabolusunknown

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @Wilson Rothman: THANK YOU! Your one of the first Gizmodo members to post how far off Downloadable HD media is. People dont seem to understand how much more is involved. Not only that but I personally dont trust hard drives to hold my movie collection. They just don't have the durability and life time that physical / disc media has. SSD maybe.

imTheKing

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> I finally saw a television commercial for HD-DVD. Up until now as far as I could tell both sides were only advertising in print, except when a film advertised "available on DVD and Blu-Ray" etc. Anyway, this HD-DVD ad also mentioned low-priced toshiba units. It got me thinking, that given the ignorance of the masses, a strong enough marketing push could tip the scales back in the HD-DVD direction. It's only us nerds who are aware of the drop in studio support. If done properly, the average person will just see cheap prices and Madison Avenue glitter. Studios would realign themselves if they saw the profit potential regardless of the penalties for breach of contract with Sony.

Zlevee

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @Atrahasis:

Couldn't have said it better myself. If at first you don't succeed (betamax), try, try again (umd, minidisc, bluray). Just stop it allready.

But God love 'em for their cameras! CyberShot FTW!

fsusmithc2

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @blackti3:

Streaming and downloads: 4 - 8Mbps
Blu-Ray & HD-DVD: 25 - 20Mbps

Streaming and downloads: Some 1080p, mostly 720p
Blu-Ray & HD-DVD: All 1080p

Streaming and downloads: All lossy audio and most 5.1
Blu-Ray & HD-DVD: Some lossless, 7.1, and ultra-high bit rate.

Streaming and downloads: No extra content (as of yet).
Blu-Ray 7 HD-DVD: Has extras and downloadable content.

Downloadable versions still need a few years before the bandwidth is up there. The quality you get out of blu-ray or hd-dvd still annihilates streaming and downloadable content.

Just remember, streaming and downloads and disc's use the same compression tech, only that there is much higher bit rates on disc's and room for lossless audio at 7.1.





diabolusunknown

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @blackti3: HD downloads are still a ways off. First, we need Japan-like 100-megabit fiber in a good percentage of homes. Second, we need to convince Hollywood to give up their next big profit center. It's not an organic thing—these are business decisions made to maximize $$$, not to make us happy. Plus, many videophiles think that the HD coming from broadcast TV and net downloads are total crap compared to what's on disc, and the simple math of it tells me they're probably right.

Wilson Rothman

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> Universal, Paramount and DreamWorks Animation are all still in HD DVD—we're waiting for them to switch any day now, to be honest.

And @w00zzy: You don't think that $149 and $199 MSRP for Toshiba's two main HD DVD players isn't cheap enough? They may go lower, but damn if those aren't bargain-basement prices already, especially for MSRP. Stores are bound to carry them for even less before any new price drops are announced. I say start shopping.

Wilson Rothman

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> You're all wasting your money...streaming and downloading movies is the next format. I'm gonna laugh at all you people when I buy my Netflix STB and you're all stuck w/blue gay and STD-vd players...womp womp!

Blackti3

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> One Question: Why are they still pushing something we all know is a dead product? Just begin making bluray players already and quit this crap.

MrThunderfield

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> Divx! Divx FTW

Broncoskip

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @lafond66: seriously ... and it's sony! rootkits people! rootkits! :D

Paradise

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> Has Universal officially made the jump to blu? I'm not talking exclusively but last I read was that Universal and Paramount/Dreamworks had escape clauses but neither have gone blu yet, other than rumor and speculation that Paramount blu disks were releasing on Amazon UK?

NFlames

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> I still prefer HD DVD over blu-ray. They can't even spell the word Blue right.

lafond66

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @seiven: Thats correct.

This is total nonsense that Toshiba is still kicking and screaming. Its like a small child having a temper tantrum. Can we possibly tranquilize them until they fall asleep and forget about the whole "we're not dead" state?

imTheKing

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> Universal, Para and Dreamworks are still HD exclusive.

CRex

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> I don't understand why HD-DVD isnt doing better then it is. I personally thought it would kick Blueray in the butt. With its easy to know name, dvd/hd-dvd compatibility.. just doesn't make sense to me.

Plus after realizing that Blueray was probably going to win the format war I started looking at players and was dumbfounded by the price!

Gigabit

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> @ThatOneWeirdo: I think Paramount and Dreamworks?

is that right?

Either way both are great tech, but I don't like when number are spun either way...I say let whoever is winning win already and stop this stupid war...hel the lasers are identical it is just the frequency that they read at that is different. Mass produce variable freq lasers and make dual format the only option and THEN this thing can end with no more bitching.

Seiven

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> the absence of evidence is NOT the evidence of absence!

har har

discounteggroll

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> Yes. At this point HD DVD can not realistically come back. (try as people might with online petitions [www.petitiononline.com]) But to me, I do not think the battle is over because Blu-Ray has to make a lot of changes to overtake DVD. Last I checked ~95% of Blu Ray players were PS3. As PS3 grows in popularity I would guess that percentage will likely rise. Sony has to be careful not to pigeon hole their format to PS3 DVD. Thats would be one step away from PSP UMD movie.

I think Sony understood that from the start as a weakness and thats why they courted so many manufacturers.

Optimus-Prime

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> I tried to stay impartial to this whole thing, but deep down I just really did not want Sony to win. I'm not a Sony hater, but they just seem so damn determined over the past 20 years to have their own proprietary format that it just makes me nervous.

I know they don't own Blu-ray outright, but they have enough leverage over it to still put me on edge. Sony has a tendency to be heavy-handed with their media, and I worry that them controlling a format could lead to a very unpleasant "gotcha" moment for consumers.

Atrahasis

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> time to start censoring what you post. If you want a single format to win, stop reporting about reasons why hd-dvd isn't dead. if the media all works together we can have an end to this silly format war. It doesn't matter who wins, just finish the battle and let us get on. don't give readers a reason to hope for hd-dvd.

this is a silly argument anyway. it just shows another reason not to get hd-dvd. their prices have gone back up and you can get free blu-ray equipment with other purchases.

dhaberer

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> toshiba is just trying to fit in at this point like the new kid in school that lies about this and that to be cool so they can be popular.

demonwolf

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> I think the villains in several movies have said this best... but HD-DVD, "why won't you just die".

voltron80

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> So what's it gonna be? Is the war over or not. It truely doesn't matter to me. I'm prepared w/both BR and HD-DVD formats but I was looking forward to buying some cheaply priced HD-DVD's and a better player when ever thing HD goes on clearence. Still waiting...

_woozzy_

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> What movie companies are still HD-DVD exclusive?

ThatOneWeirdo

]]> <![CDATA[Toshiba Says Blu-ray Victory Numbers May Be Fluke]]> It could come to an end only if Studios (lol) like giz and engadget supports t-ba. lol.... should i say geek blog instead?

mr_oshodi

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