<![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> My old American Standard Strat is getting dusty in lieu of my Martin acoustic. I would buy this in a heartbeat.

Gilbert

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> This is to: cjpnyc the post of his to the top.

Why bother learning the classical crap when the newer stuff that deals with ELECTRIC guitars which is more complicated to play then to hit 0 fret strings.

suicide_jockey

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> FINALY!!!! ive got all the guitar games and i luv them but it will be great to finaly put real skills to the test! rock on

whiteysworld

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> First off, I think this is a great idea and I'm looking forward to buying it.

What I think they need to make this successful is...
1. Licenses for popular songs. Even if they are played be the original artists, at least something that sounds close is good enough.
2. The ability to import your own creations. Whether it's a song you've created or recreated from another artist, the ability to play songs is what will keep interest.
3. Marketing. If this proves to be, not only a fun game but also a great teaching tool, you have more of a market to sell to.
4. A better interface. The interface now seems more like a teaching tool. If I learn a song, I want to rock out in front of a crowd. I think one of the best things about Rock band, other than being able to play with others, is when the crowd seems to get into it when I'm doing well.

BTW: I'm not getting all of you who pan Guitar Hero or Rock band. I play guitar and I love those games, so why would you discount them. Look at your shelf of games. Are you a race car drivers, a pro football players, or WWII veteran? If not, then I suggest you throw out all of those games because it ain't the real experience.
If you're getting grief from ones of these musicians, have them pick up the fisher price special and see how well they do. It's a skill a real guitar player will have to also master. You'll just have to decide if you want to stoop to their level.






Justin_Payne

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> GH nd Rock band are merely for entertainment. Talk about great family games. For relatively peanuts you can get the whole familt involved.

Self proclaimed purists look down on the guitar hero and rockband style games, for whatever reason.

First as many have said its a game. But Ihave to admit it is a whole lot of fun playing some of my favorite songs when I was a kid against my son.
The songs in these games are refreshing because they are actual music not this computer generated crap with abnoxious bass thumps.
There will be a lot of people that will want to move tothe next step and play a real instrument. This will bring more respect to the Arts in school systems,
I am actually and avid drummer and can't wait to see whats in store for roland in the future.
GH is a game, try it with a group of friends, a little beer and have some fun. As stupid as it may seem with a group of friends it is a lot of fun.
But beware little kids will kick yor butt..






bruinsrme

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @salviati_returns: I totally agree. Sometimes it's just having instruments lying around for a kid to mess with. My family is tone deaf, but when I was 3 years old we lived in a rented house that had a piano. When my parents played records I started to pick out the melodies on the piano. Most importantly, there wasn't any pressure & it was always fun. These games would probably have a similar effect.

johnnyabnormal

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> Honestly, I picked up a guitar at one point. Played for about 6 months and played quite a bit. But I got bored with it, precisely because I hit a limit on what I could play, which was very little and what I couldnt. If something like Rock Band existed when i was a young kid (<10), I'm 32 now, there is no doubt I would be playing drums and be damn good at it. Same is true for Guitar Rising, though we shall see how good the game turns out to be. I think anyone who plays music, particularly rock-based music, should look at these things as great training tools, which they no doubt are. Come 10 years time, there will be a generation of musicians that got their inspiration to pick up instruments from these games. Frankly, I think thats a damn good thing.

salviati_returns

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @salviati_returns: Well, I've been playing guitar for 23 years of 33. Have I ever played guitar hero? Nope. I'd try given the opportunity though! F@*k it. Looks fun. I'd never piss on anyone for having fun playing a game like that. I saved up for college in high school teaching guitar, bass and drums...that probably made me very sympathetic to anyone aspiring to have fun through music. At one point, I had about 16 students a week...it was nuts. Age was a big factor. The younger the student the more adaptable they seemed. I had a 40 year old guy who spent a whole year trying to play one Led Zep song and a 8 year old who picked up jazz standards easier than most people pick their nose.

@spaceman7: Beck is my hero, for sure. I did an Adidas spot a little while back that was very influenced by Ode-lay and the soundtrack from "Repo Man":

[www.johnnyrandom.com]

The fingernail took forever to heal...sucked big time!

johnnyabnormal

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @johnnyabnormal: There's always exceptions :) Though its not difficult to find the ones I am referring too. Just scroll up to many of the people 'who cant understand why people play Guitar Hero' or who 'think of us as idiots'. Apparently we Guitar Hero players should just be liquidated as a result of our apparent idiocy.

salviati_returns

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @johnnyabnormal: YIPE! -There's a reason spikes under fingernails was a torture device. -Feels like Lava, doesn't it? :)

@johnnyabnormal: @salviati_returns: Whilst I would prefer to hear a solo by Jack White or Beck as opposed to Everything Satch and Vai have ever done combined, I don't know any musical DBs either. One of the nicest guys I know is a badass.
--However I myself fall very squarely in the Gorgeous Bastard meets slightly-less-alcoholic-Captain-Jack-Sparrow category; thank you very much. :P

wonkydonky

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> Something that makes sense! I hope the inventor of this "game" becomes a gazillionaire. Thanks for bringing some of the lost back to reality (and with the potential of developing a real talent).

vitallywell

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> Wow, finally a use for that guitar sitting in my closet. I'm definitely buying this game. Lets just hope the track selection is decent.

cybereality

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @salviati_returns: Uh, we're not all douche bags, sir. At least not the ones I know, myself included.

johnnyabnormal

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> One of the things I have always found frustrating about learning an instrument is the social grouping of people who play instruments. By and large they are pretentious pricks. If a simple Math game was developed, there would not be a single mathematician who would be disappointed because the game didn't use epsilon, sigma proofs. When was the last time you heard a physicist complain about the lack of realism in the physics of gaming. In no other field of interest would there be so much outrage from such mediocre circles. Only musicians, and its strictly a function of the status of rock music in popular culture, which thankfully is dying. Good riddance.
As for me, Guitar Hero/Rock Band has gotten me interested in learning how to play both guitar and drums. It has also opened the doors for games like Guitar Rising which will undoubtedly expand the community of musicians beyond this obnoxious class of douchebags.

salviati_returns

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> Now now, playing guitar hero at least gets kids interested in playing real guitar, and at the very least they can play in drop d.

jackfrost132

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> This is awesome information but Jesus, seriously? Fuck you for perpetuating that douchetastic idea that people playing Guitar Hero should learn how to play guitar. Seriously.

Love what you do, but fuck you for that. I'd think that somebody who was actually one of the bloggers on here would know how people feel about that statement by now, but apparently not...

I hope that doesn't get me banned from commenting.

Sqube

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @Totorototoro: I know my local Wally World has a poster with a fair number of guitar chord fingerings. The little ones all got guitars for Christmas. I've been thinking about picking up the poster just as reference material.

GoPadge

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @johnnyabnormal: I'm also a musician.

I know exactly what you mean about allowing your hands to lead your head, and fight against it as well. While sometimes I'll use a keyboard as a keyboard, sometimes I'll use it the way other people use the matrix editor, solely for inputting notes and manipulating data (and sometimes in conjunction with my computer keyboard). It's like I switch from mindset to mindset depending on what I'm doing - thinking of the keyboard as a keyboard, using it to input traditional notation if it's for other instruments, using it to trigger virtual instruments, or using it to translate abstract ideas in my head into computery goodness.
I might use the now cheesily-named "piano roll" mode in Logic more if I was better at it, but since I can input notes so quickly with a keyboard, I can never get into it except for editing note lengths and things like that.

frigg

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @spaceman7: Very true. I've seen lots of imitators of that style (myself included) and nobody quite nails it like he did. I composed almost a album's worth of stuff in that style back then...one song was pretty aggressive and I cracked a thumbnail the whole length of the nail bed. That wasn't very fun. I did see Michael perform once and it was really nice to see that I got most of his songs right. I was very curious, because we all know you can play the same thing so many different ways. Super sweet guy too. Sucks he was killed by a drunk driver.

johnnyabnormal

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> CJPNYC: Any idiot can figure out smoke on the water

Not the idiots playing Guitar Hero!!!

dragonjo8

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @johnnyabnormal: You know, it's funny. I tried to learn 1 or 2 of Mike's things before.
It's 1 thing to get the music ~down. It is something Completely different to layeth the smacketh down the way he does, though.

wonkydonky

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> It's no les paul, but I've definitely been enjoying time on the Peavey Signature Series EX. Anxious to get some time with Guitar Rising with it.

ericearlyang

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @frigg: Yeah, I've always loved when cellists do a descending line like that and crescendo on the low note. I couldn't resist ripping that style. Yes, I was using Logic Pro 8 in the matrix window...I hate that they call it "piano roll" now. Sounds so cheesy. I'm a pretty decent keyboardist too, but honestly, it's sometimes better for me not to use it. Why? I'd rather hear it my head first than let my keyboard influence things. I know that probably sounds weird, but sometimes I feel it gets in the way. You guessed right on the hermitdom, but it can have a price. Insomnia can be one. My wife laughs at me because I spend more time with cats than humans. (live work studio) Entropy...gotta exercise or I'll blimp. Pretty minor things to complain about though. I'd say I'm pretty happy doing what I do. I'm trying to remember what you do...did you tell me?

johnnyabnormal

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> By the way I play real guitar (and not in the way that some guy who learned a few parts from his favorite songs plays guitar) so it's not just sour grapes.

Kered

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> I always appreciate when people say that they don't like Rock Band, etc., because it's not real guitar. It's a helpful way for me to tell whether they are douchebags right away.

Kered

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @johnnyabnormal: Nice ditty! I like your toying with the lowest note on the cello. Because cellists are so wierdly fond of playing that note, it gives it added realism.

Are you using the matrix editor in Logic?
I'm always amazed at how people can master visual representations of music like the matrix editor for entering notes. It's like otherwise chill musicians become fierce terminators of discipline when it comes to mousing in notes with visual representations.
Because I'm fluent on keyboard, I use that as my input mode of choice, and only use something like the matrix for editing.
Anyway, congrats on your hermitdom, in the music world, a sign of being in demand and successful!

frigg

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @OldSchoolGadgetLover: Thank you for saying this. I don't understand why everyone can't get this through their heads. A large portion of people who play Guitar Hero don't play it as a substitute for real guitar, they play it for the same reason people play DDR or BeatMania: because it's a video game, not because its an excuse to not learn the real instrument.

@flyboy: *facepalm*

FlannelJacket

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @HeartBurnKid: I'm not surprised. While a lot of the physical skills are similar, if I actually knew how to play, that would completely distract me. Its why I struggle at karaoke revolution. I want to SING the song, rather than play the game. While that's not a major problem there, I totally know the feeling of wanting to take a song a little differently and struggling with performing it the "right" way. I can only imagine that gets worse when what you are doing is only a representation of playing.

My girlfriend is a flutist, though, and the fast fingering poses her no problems as a result. Her only problem is picking up the guitar part since its very different from flute parts, oddly enough. Getting into the groove seems easier for me as a singer, though I have a hard time with the physical techniques that she mastered quickly.

BStu

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @MilktruckHeist: "@frigg: you realize there are like 20 frets on the guitar with only six strings right?"
Yes! But limiting 20 frets to 6 strings simplifies the gaming aspect of it and makes it easier to link a flashing light on a fret on a string to a musical note. It's like built in organization. Players grasp the concept physically and musically, so it's easier to link the flashing lights with a note and a physical action. It also seems easier to ramp up from the game to a real guitar than the same system on a keyboard.
On a keyboard where there's 88 notes not subdivided into subsets (I wouldn't consider black and white notes subsets), it seems harder from a gaming and musical perspective to make sense out of a bunch of flashing lights.

I know Yamaha has some keyboards that include lights that flash under the keys to drag you along prerecorded songs (in MIDI), but it doesn't seems as visceral or fun as the guitar equivalents.
Maybe a minority report style glove would be the answer for a decent keyboard gaming system and one that could similarly act as a gateway drug to a full blown instrument.

frigg

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> Can i learn to play Michael Angelo Batio songs?? :D

Mike918

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @89macrunner: You might be in for some disappointment... Slash himself, an honest-to-"Bob" Guitar GOD, admitted on Conan that he absolutely sucks at Guitar Hero (but still loves it anyway). A friend of mine who plays both guitar and Guitar Hero explained to me why -- because you keep wanting to play the song for real, rather than following the on-screen chords, and that messes you up. She plays GH a lot, and she still falls prey to that from time to time.

HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @wierdal546: Most of the guitar community is horribly musically illiterate. They just read tablature, which consists of six lines representing each string of the guitar and numbers of which fret to touch.

This game just seems to be moving tablature. Once you get the hang of the game, you could just browse the net for tab and learn the songs you want to learn.

jetexas

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> i get this idea but without big tracks your friends won't be as exited as if you were playing smoke on the water...and how will they convert people that are good at the game how to read notes without a computer? it just helps you through the motions

wierdal546

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @BStu: "And frankly, getting laid because you play the guitar stops after first semester of freshman year."

Hahaha!! In my personal opinion, DJing gets you laid much quicker...especially if you play Kool Keith's "Sex Styles" and know how to scratch.

@frigg: These days? Shit, I'm a hermit. I work insane hours, composing like mad for TV and Film. The gear/tech has gotten so advanced and cerebral that the possibilities seem endless. For instance:

[www.johnnyrandom.com]

This is a Violin/Cello composition for a :30 TV spot that I did last night. It took about 20 minutes to do on a Apple G5, using only a mouse to draw in the notes and articulations. The fact that this is even possible is nuts to me. To mimic traditional instruments is one thing, but coming up with new once is what I'm exploring the most (with personal scores).

johnnyabnormal

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @BStu: I guess that's why I've never owned a gaming system. I DO want to race cars, fly planes, be in World War II, wrestle professionaly and roll up the Earth to make a new star.

jetexas

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @Rhainor:

Totally agree. The skills needed to play Guitar Hero or Rock Band on expert strongly pale in comparison to those utilized in learning the real thing at the same level. Kinduva lame statement on Giz's part. Still, this product is exactly what I've been looking for.

Guitar Hero made me want to pick up the real thing, and though I can strum a few chords and lousy grammar school songs, Guitar Rising might just do away with the pesky feeling that I should hire an actual teacher.

JediMasta

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @frigg: you realize there are like 20 frets on the guitar with only six strings right?

MilktruckHeist

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @jetexas: Again, its just a game. And frankly, getting laid because you play the guitar stops after first semester of freshman year. You might get laid if you're in a band, but that's a WHOLE lot different from playing a guitar.

Its just a game. If it makes you feel better, its an AIR GUITAR simulator, not a guitar simulator. Even if it was, its just a video game. Playing video games doesn't mean that you ought to be out doing whatever it is in the video game. I don't want to race cars. I don't want to fly planes. I don't want to fight in World War II. I don't want to be a professional wrestler. I don't want to roll up the planet Earth so I can make a new star. I just want to play a game without having people constantly nitpick about why I'm not doing the real thing.

The real thing is cool. Guitar Hero has made me appreciate guitar rock MUCH more than I used to. I'd like to learn guitar, but I have neither the time, use, or finger length to dedicate myself to the effort. That's okay, too. I'm sure this program is very cool for people who are learning guitar, just stop bemoaning the fact that people playing a video game aren't among them. Our nation has enough lonely sophomores strumming on dorm stoops as it is.

BStu

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> Six buttons!? Jeezus, I just finally managed to get my brain to work with that blasted orange pinky-stretch button from hell. There's no way anyone could play music with a user interface this complicated.

matto

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @jackrabbix:

There was actually an article in the New York Times around the time Guitar Hero III came out that said since Guitar Hero has been released, the number of people taking real guitar lessons have gone up. All the instructors attributed it to Guitar Hero and said the first question out of every new students mouth was "Do you play Guitar Hero?"

rsly

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> This is a very cool concept, but the horizontal scroll is going to give people headaches. The vertical scroll of GH and RB allow you to play longer because the eyes handle the movement better. Humans weren't meant to watch things pass by us horizontally; if we were, our eyes would be located on the sides of our heads.

Rotnmeat

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @johnnyabnormal: Dude! That sounds great. You are a guitar hero! Everything about that - the composition, performance, and recording - all sound great. (And it sounds great even though I'm not even using Pear Audio cables!!!).

What kind of playing do you do these days? Do you use audio to MIDI converters on your guitar to trigger samples, or do you use keyboards? Do you do sessions?

frigg

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @phelander: best comment

Argyle

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @jackrabbix:

I'm 17 and love guitar hero/rock band and can't wait for this to come out! It'll give me a chance to learn a real instrument in a fun way that'll keep me interested(short attention span for instruments).

Dj75728

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @spaceman7: P.S.

I wish I had the gear and recording skills then that I have now. I really made that Martin D28 sound like crap!

johnnyabnormal

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @spaceman7: Thanks. It's a original composition. I sort of credit Hedges for driving me to compose in that style, since it was easier to come up with my own stuff than figure out his music by ear. Nothing worse than learning half a song and hitting a wall and starting over because you got one of his alternate tunings wrong. It was crazy trying to decipher one harmonic from 5 or 6 harmonics and try to figure out the string gauge by the timbre of the note.

johnnyabnormal

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @johnnyabnormal: Dude, that was really good!

I am an old Hedges fan, too.

wonkydonky

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> I hook my ibanez up to my macbook through the line-in port. I am too cheap to buy a real tube amp so I use a program called "amplitube" to do the dirty work for me. its only $300 and sounds so excellent. Check it out.

teqsun.com

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @jetexas: No shit, huh? Nice.

johnnyabnormal

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> A definite must-have for myself. But what's with this recent bias towards guitar games? After GH the knock-offs keep coming, yet I still see no piano-hero, or any other instrumental games for that matter.

Moldy Cheese

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> So, more general question-are guitar chords just totally not used anymore? I'm an old time acoustic guitar guy, and I noticed that all the sites online are Tab based..and this Guitar Rising thing is all single note jamming (which is cool too, but)..so when did the old chord thing go away? (yeah, I'm old)

Totorototoro

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> Cool and educational, but far from mass-market. Most consumers have far too little patience and musical inclination.

I predict you will see this on the budget rack inside of 3 months.

Vagabum

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @johnnyabnormal: You obviously haven't played Rock Star yet. There is a singing part, and it rates you on being on pitch and holding out notes.

jetexas

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @GUNNK: doesn't your amp have an effects loop or a tuner output? Either of those should be sufficient for running your guitar through your amp first and then into the game interface. I'd say you probably don't want an amplified signal going into the game, so I wouldn't use the direct out that's used for recording, but both the effects loop and tuner output should be un-amplified signal essentially straight from your guitar.

Anyway, this thing looks awesome...I hope they'll have some stuff beyond what guitar hero does. I'd like to see a scales drill at the very least...if you're learning guitar, you need to learn scales :)

phreack

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> There's obviously a large number of people who think like Jesus.

What I don't understand is why so many people think that a game should be turned into an effort to learn to master an instrument.

You can pick up GH or RB and get rocking day 1 with absolutely no musical background. The fans go wild, the game makes you feel like you are creating some great music. It's a game, and it's fun.

If you want to learn to play a guitar, by all means go do it. If you want to turn learning a muscial instrument into a long and grueling "game" then by all means enjoy, sounds like a great way for folks to get started.

But is it really so hard to understand that not all gamers want to be real guitar players?

OldSchoolGadgetLover

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> There should be a karaoke hero that rewards people for singing on pitch. If it was a hit, hearing "Happy Birthday" wouldn't be so painful anymore.

johnnyabnormal

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @frigg: You want to hear something funny?:

[www.johnnyrandom.com]

I recorded this 16 years ago when I was 17 & obsessed with the whole Michael Hedges style. Seems like ages ago...but still fun to hear. I eventually felt limited by solo acoustic music once I got my hands on some samplers and realized you could make and sound a instrument.

johnnyabnormal

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @HeartBurnKid: Nah. I play guitar professionally and I think these games encourage people to have fun & probably spark interest in playing a real instrument for kids. Nothing wrong with either!

johnnyabnormal

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @ludwigk: It doesn't work for piano like it works for guitar since the guitar is limited to 6 strings (or sets) to be targets for individual fingers/notes, while the piano has 1 set of 88 "strings"/notes to be targets. From a game perspective, targeting flashing lights on a piano is more like shooting fish in a lake vs. the guitar's shooting fish in a barrel. I'm not sure what the model would be for gaming on a piano keyboard, but this isn't it.

frigg

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> The only thing I'm plugging my '63 Strat into is a '65 Twin Reverb.

johnnyabnormal

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> i will be buying this...

finally, my 9 years of guitar playing will help me win a video game.

89macrunner

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @daikaiju: I never got the whole Super Mario Bros., Katamari Damacy and their fake surrealistic, psychedelic thing, which require so much practice to master that you may as well use some real shrooms to become as good as Emperor Norton. That's why I love the idea of Tripping Balls, which can use any real drug.

HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> I knew guitar hero was going to drastically inflate the (already staggering) number of guitarists in our generation, and I'm ecstatic to see this next step in that process. I disagree with those who say that gh doesn't help you learn guitar; for one thing it clearly helps develop the strength, coordination, and timing of your fingers. But most importantly, it gives you the confidence to continue, which is really the only factor that matters in the end. You can do whatever you do do; many in our generation don't understand this because our schools and talk shows have spent so much time saying idiotic things like "what do you want to be when you grow up" or "are you a musician?" to which the simplest, safest response is often "no". The truth is that words like musician and artist are synonyms for human, and everyone should be encouraged to spend time every day developing these skills.

schwabsauce

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> "That's gay... real guitars are for old people Mr. Marsh"... now I need to get me a copy of heroine hero as soon as I get that label to sign me up, I just scored 100,000 points!

bluedot

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> There is already a series called "Piano Wizard", and "Guitar Wizard" that have the sort of "notes traveling towards a fret board" mechanic of guitar hero, but teach actual instrument playing. Don't know if they proceeded GH or are based on the concept.

They're not quite as flashy as Guitar Rising, but they do support MIDI files, so you can download/author your own content to play, although it will sound midi-tastic.

ludwigk

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @jackrabbix: I never got the whole World of Warcraft, Everquest and their fake role playing, fighting thingie, which require so much practice to master that you may as well use a real axe or sword to become as good as Conan. That's why I love the idea of Larping, which can use any real axe or sword.

daikaiju

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> There are programs you can get that slow down a song & loop it so you can learn to play along.

I think Line6 TonePort/GearBox does this.

wonkydonky

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @drewheyman: "Green" is the name of the song by Telescope. As in 'Song name - Artist'.

ctthoqqua

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @sgodun: If you look closely at the colored nodes they have numbers inside them. I'm assuming those indicate fret placement. They could certainly make them a bit more visible though...maybe it's just the video quality.

russtophiles

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @Lizard_King: Actually, pretty much everybody who plays Guitar Hero feels that way. For some reason, many amateur guitar players just can't comprehend the idea of playing games for fun, and thus invent an elaborate fiction about how GH players think they're actual guitar gods or some shit.

Funnily enough, the pros don't have this bias; look at Slash, for example.

HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @ctthoqqua:

Didn't Telescope write Marquee Moon?

And Green has an album called REM.

drewheyman

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> I never got the whole Grand Theft Auto, Scar Face and their fake guns playing thingie, which require so much practice to master that you may as well use a real gun to become as good as Tony Montana. That's why I love the idea of real gang warfare, which can use any real gun.

daikaiju

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> The first Guitar Hero made me go out and buy my first real electric guitar (Schecter Gryphon in Ruby Red... delicious) and start learning how to play. Finally my prayers have been answered! This looks very promising and I'm going to be the first one in line to buy this!

joseaqui

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> I hate to be a wet blanket but did you see the sampling of songs they had? Someone tell me if *any* of these artists sound familiar:

It's Over - Even the Odd
Mental - K-ration
Miss Mary Mack - Anything But Joey
On With the Show - Casey Maxwell
Automatic - Stereo 360
Certain Words in Uncertain Times - This Providence
Green - Telescope
It's Over - Even the Odd

Led Zeppelin indeed. I think the licenses are sloppy-thirds (if that...), after GH and RB took all the good ones.

ctthoqqua

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> Guitar Hero is a game. It is not teaching you to play a guitar. It may be teaching you how to isolate individual finger movements and give you a little dexterity and strength in your pinky, but it is a side-benefit. It is not, nor ever was a trainer, a simulator, or any other type of tool. It is a game. I play it and enjoy it. I don't get all bent out of shape because the scale of the guitar is right, or that my fake Les Paul has a tremelo.

I have no false aspirations about being a rock god, or think that my skill (or lack therof) in the game has anything to do with musical talent.

Sometimes I think I'm the only person that feels this way.

Lizard_King

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @FredicvsMaximvs: That's what I was wondering... doesn't look any different in the interface than GH or RB, so where's it 'teaching' you what fret you should be on... it's just telling you which string, unless the colors are actually coreesponding to the fingering, not just the string...

TVGenius

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @WildWon: As for control for this game... yea, there are colors for the 6 strings... but where on the neck do your fingers go?!

That's exactly what I was thinking.

sgodun

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> That's it in Piano Hero - you open and shut the lid in time with the Elton John's hits.

Lots of bright lights and noises and we'll sell a million.

Hooray for video games.

vote Obama

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> I can never pick up a guitar again. Metal ruined any chance of me ever being satisfied with anything i play.

nutbastard

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @Izim1: Are you really so insecure that you have to post comments to prove that you know the names of good guitarists? If you want to show your elitism, try not using such pedestrian guitarists that everyone has heard of. Try a John Scofield or a Pat Martino or something.

And you know, I'd be willing to bet that Satriani has had a more successful music career than you have.

joestoner

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @BStu: LOL - awesome.

*click**click*

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> I am waiting for Piano Hero.

Its so difficult to understand. The piano that is?

You press on a key and get a note. What a concept!!

Its not the comprehension that is the problem again, its the lack of effort in getting there.

Should be more like 'Guitar Lameboy'.

vote Obama

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> The other advantage of learning guitar this way is that you can pick out the easiest combination of notes to muddle through a song, like easy in guitar hero. That way, you feel like you're accomplishing something (even though the song would be unrecognizable to anyone listening to only your guitar)

Then, you can slowly build up to playing 50%, 80%, whatever of the notes in the song as you progress. It doesn't make learning any easier, but it can make it a little more gratifying. Which, for a lot of people, is a big barrier to entry.

m4ximusprim3

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @jackrabbix: You couldn't be more wrong. I love Guitar Hero and Rock band, but I'm also a drummer and guitar player who likes to write his own music.

Guitar hero is fun because I can play things that are outside of my ability, with all the pay off of playing it right with a real band (well, not all...but it's fun anyway)

Rock Band is fun because it turns my non-musician family into a band. It's always fun to play music with people, this gives them the opportunity to be able to participate in that.

Guitar Hero fun and all, but people play music to express themselves, not entertain themselves. So people will still want to play instruments.

Tony Bullard

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> good election of real guitars there boyz!!

it will be good to look back on the Guitar Hero craze. Its worth buying a perfect one and putting it in storage for the kids now.

vote Obama

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> What's not to understand about Guitar Hero? It's just a fun game to play when your drunk with your friends. This Guitar Rising does look like it'd be useful for actually learning guitar if that's what you wanna do.

ParJoe

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @dqkennard: true, those "gadgets" have been around for years. If you are at all serious about learning guitar, you will dig into books, take lessons from a master, or simply just practice. The only gadgets I have ever really needed were Mel Bay/Hal Leonard books, guitar and a transistor radio. And above everything, developing your ear is the most fundamental piece to music. Average hobbiests will never develop this with silly video games, but its a start, a small start that is.

cjpnyc

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @BStu: While I applaud you for your restraint in regards to your aforementioned murderous rage towards ladies of the night, I will contest your implication that it's THAT much more complicated to learn guitar.

Slap multi-colored stickers on the first five frets of a guitar, and number the dots coming down the screen in Guitar Hero, and you've got a learning tool. Yes, it takes a little more technique because you've got to get used to holding your fingers for correct intonation instead of slapping down buttons, and yes, you have six "flippers" instead of one, but by the time you're up to "Hard" on Guitar Hero, surely you're competent enough to work patterns vertically as well as horizontally.

Learning those first five frets gives you multiple scales and all the chords in first position. You won't be a guitar expert, but you'd be competent enough to fake through most tunes.

So, maybe it's six times as hard, but I'll contest that it's 100 times more likely to get you laid.

jetexas

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> While Guitar Hero will not teach you guitar, it can help work the fingers of someone who knows how to play. I hadn't touched my guitar for about a year (with special thanks to moving/getting married/etc etc etc... hooray for growing up! :p) but i had gotten some GH time in during that time. I snagged my axe and realized my fingers were moving faster. Twas a fun realization :) (it was really sad though that i hadn't touched my fender in a year... and i've been playing since 1990. Luckily, after that much playing and a short break, its just like riding a bike :)

As for control for this game... yea, there are colors for the 6 strings... but where on the neck do your fingers go?!

I'll be interested in checking this out either way :p

WildWon

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @SgtBeavis: Yeah, guitar sales have gone up, but just wait. In 2 years, every used section at every Guitar Center in the country will be flooded with barely-used guitars, sold back by the thousands of dejected Guitar Hero wannabes who learned the hard way that real guitar is real work.

I for one will be eager to snatch up great deals on guitars that have been sitting in closets, untouched while their owners crawl back to Rock Band.

Steel_Pelican

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> There are other pc-based guitar learning systems. See www.fretlight.com for a system based on a guitar that has LED indicators of where/how to play. That looks pretty cool, though expensive -- not that any electric guitar worth the name is cheap.

dqkennard

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> You seriously underestimate the time it takes to master the guitar if you think playing Guitar Hero could be easily substituted for learning Guitar. Honestly, how many times will people have to whine "Why don't you learn the guitar?" I expect this boring prattle from Kotaku commentators, not Gizmodo posters.

Its a video game. I'm sure with the time I spent playing GTA, I could have been out murdering actual prostitutes, but I didn't do that, either.

BStu

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @OENOPHILE: Same here. If it has intricate leads I can slow down and learn note for note, then I might be interested because it would actually help my skills. Otherwise, it holds no real value to me.

There's probably a tuner built into the game to make sure all guitars are tuned the same, but there's still a huge variance of intonation between guitars, so I do wonder how effective the game will be at detecting the player's notes.

jetexas

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> BWAHAAHAHA ...no.

phelander

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @FredicvsMaximvs: I think there's a fret number on the each dot, but it's hard to tell from the video. You can definitely see a zero in one shot when the guy plays an open string.

Chimera

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @glaeven:
nobody even cares about real bassists.


drewheyman

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> does anyone care about the aspiring bassist?

glaeven

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> I've watched the video three times now, and I can't figure out how you tell where on the neck you're supposed to be playing. Also, how do they handle chords?

I did notice that the little colored dots correspond to the colors on the strings. Nice touch.

Looks pretty cool. I think I'll have to try it.

FredicvsMaximvs

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> "as good as satriani"? Satch? Well I guess your right. People should aim low. Keep a reasonable goal. Because honestly, trying to be as good as santana,beck, or page is just asking for failure. And God forbid you try to aim at being a REAL GUITAR GOD like Clapton, SRV, or Hendrix. No no no. Let's keep our dreams reasonable, right?

izim1

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @Cyborg28: Yeah, well you would still suck, just like you do at Guitar Hero!

Cyborg28

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> Awesome idea. But...you really need to work on the game aspect of it lol. Just having scrolling dots is probably going to get boring after awhile...need more graphics, a story mode, maybe challenge mode...etc...etc. But yet...I'd definately be interested in something that can combine gaming with learning to play a real guitar.

Saboth

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @trekkie: Kudos on wanting to pick up an axe and try this out but the bit about your Mom (and Dad) is sad, so very very sad.@Chimera: I make fun of my wife and her brother for the exact same reason. This would have me all in.

Cyborg28

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @t3knomanser: The Simon Comparison, I love it!! Its kind of sad that this whole issue/game is even associated with real musicianship.

cjpnyc

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> I will buy this if it comes out but I have my doubts. First of all I think it will be insanely hard, what kind of notation/tab will they use? Trying to keep up will be a problem of it's own and playing without looking at your left hand is far from easy (or even advisable) for a beginner.

So I think the difficulty and the need for A. a guitar and B. a way to plug it into your PC will limit the potential sales of this which in turn will limit the songs they can license and the effort they can put into producing them to the standard that we're used to from Guitar Hero.

So I think it's likely to be "On Top of Old Smokey" and "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" but I still want it.

BCThunderthud

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> OK, this is an awesome idea and I can't wait to get my hands on it. I've been "learning" to play guitar for 10 years now, if you can call playing very small parts of my favorite songs learning. I love playing Guitar Hero, but I'd much rather use a real guitar because then my wife wouldn't make fun of me (so much).

Chimera

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @Rhainor: As someone who has no interest in playing fake instruments, I acknowledge the fact that playing a button-pushing video-game is much easier than learning the real instrument and becoming good at it.

Which is why I predict that this product will be no more (or less) successful than the usual crop of "new way to make learning an instrument easy and fun!" products. That is to say, it'll pick up a small market. It misses the entire point of GH's popularity- accessibility. Anyone can pick up a GH guitar and play the game; from there it's all timing. It's a hyper-advanced SIMON game, really, much like DDR.

t3knomanser

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @gunnk: You might have a problem hearing the background music on the MacBook over your amp.

With solid state amps you could just go headphone out to USB to get the tone into the computer. Don't know if your tube amp has that option.

If they're smart, they probably have tone modeling software built into each song to match the genre, so that if you plug a guitar directly in, you're not stuck with the same dry sound on every song you attempt.

jetexas

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> I'd be interested to see if it tracks notes well. If not, it will just be enormously frustrating, especially so for people who already know how to play and are looking for some fun.

I'm a guitar player and can't see myself sitting down and doing this

OENOPHILE

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> i really really think this will be huge. ive been saying this since i played gh2 the first time.

this would work especially well with drums. i mean, rock band drums are at least similiar to real drumming. i mean, if you put me at a 5pc kit and colored some drums. i would play something decent...right?

ronnsprocket

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @SgtBeavis: I guess for sales they will take the good with the bad. For the big guitar makers this is purely a marketing move to sell more guitars, that doesn't necessarily make it a "positive" thing.

cjpnyc

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @ TREKKIE:

Awesome plan man! Let us know when you get it, we'll net-meeting or use my phone bridge and rock out!

(I'll bring my bass)

jackrabbix

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @jackrabbix:

Screw the kids, as a violin player all through school I'd *love* to learn the guitar like this. Mom wouldn't let me play even though my dad played acoustic for the church. Just in time for an almost mid life crisis too.

trekkie

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]>

I never got the whole Guitar Hero, Rock Band and their fake guitars playing thingie, which require so much practice to master that you may as well use a real guitar to become as good as Satriani.
So very not true. Learning to play "guitar" on GH or Rock Band is an order of magnitude simpler than learning the real thing, which is *why* it's so popular.

That said, this looks exceedingly cool, and would almost certainly help me motivate myself to practice.

Rhainor

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @jackrabbix:

You haven't been paying attention to the REAL Guitar sales that have skyrocketed since the release of Guitar Hero.

Guitar Hero is a gateway drug to turning kids into real rockers. Its the best thing to ever happen to Gibson and Fender. Why do you think those two guitar manufacturers are so on board with that game?

SgtBeavis

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> @gunnk:

Yea, you probably can. You would just need an interface like the M-Audio Mobile PreUSB. You can either hook your ax straight into it or you can run through your effects, and amp then output to this the Mobile PreUSB for the sound your looking for. This is what I'm planning to do when they finally release this game..

SgtBeavis

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> This is pritty cool and I would consider buying it. Just wish it was also for PS3, Xbox, and Wii.

macpro2007

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> I dont' know if this will fly... Maybe it's early and I'm bitter having not had enough coffee yet, but seriously... is there a SINGLE KID these days that has ANY interest in doing ANYTHING real? I don't think there is.

I salute this product! I also cannot understand rock band, guitar hero, or whatever the 'fake-flavor of the week' is, but I don't have faith in anyone into that sort of thing to want to do anything real-life....

Anyway, I'm going to play some WoW... (hopefully adding an appropriate ammount of irony to my post)

jackrabbix

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> Wow -- very cool! I can hook to my MacBook -- wonder if it would be possible to simultaneously connect to my amp to get good sound. It would suck to have to listen to my Fender Strat on computer speakers when I'm used to a Hot Rod Deluxe amp (VACUUM TUBES, baby!)

gunnk

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> Why wasn't this out 10 years ago and why aren't I already a freaken virtuouso. Want it now!

PJK

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> If they manage to get decent rock songs, I'm all over this one. My wife (who is a musician) will finally stop making fun of me for playing Guitar Hero.

Eldragon

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> I love video games, but have played a real guitar for over 25 years(i'm only 32) and just dont get guitar hero. Its funny to watch geeks bang away on the buttons on the toy plastic guitar, when I actually could play most of those songs (for real) when I was 13. Just a further decline in civilization.
Guitar Rising will only be useful if it can teach you to play jazz, flamenco and classical guitar. Any idiot can figure out smoke on the water.

cjpnyc

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> Pretty cool idea. I'd definitely switch off of guitar hero for this, depending on the quality and licenses (even though we all know there would be homebrew versions of popular songs anyways a la Frets on Fire)

MJDeviant

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> They can't get this to market soon enough. I want to play it with my Fender Jag..

SgtBeavis

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> SWEEEEET!

I can't wait to play it with one of these from my small collection.

[farm3.static.flickr.com]

SgtBeavis

]]> <![CDATA[Guitar Rising for Real Guitar Heroes]]> Where is the Double-Bow? No Led Zeppelin without it!

JChristopher

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