<![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @spock11384:
It "feels" secure?
You really don't know Vista then... That would make YOU the idiot.

For being a gamer, you seem to be a lousy one.
XP was also a problem when it came out and that was with far less requirements that Vista demands today.

If you think Vista is bloated, then you do not understand the OS one bit and trying to make you learn something would be a mute point.




aec007

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @iamTheKing

O RLY?

My statement:

"And I'll stick with an OS that's actually useful for large scale businesses..."

That's large scale business as in corporate banking, asset trading, manufacturing, etc. Can you please point out where I referred to media design?

Go on, I'm waiting.

Here's a tip: The area of industry you work in is not necessarily representative of the world at large. Drawing erroneous conclusions based on your own personal experience without actually doing any research just makes you look like a clot.

Seriously. I bet you have to wear slip on shoes with a big L and R on the inside.

Sleeper_Service

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @Sleeper_Service: You should call it quits if your going into an MBA. You cant even find your way around the simplest of statements. The day that you realize Macs are used in almost all media production, then you can speak. Just keep watching movies, your helping us pay for our machines.

imTheKing

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> I've got Vista on my Lenovo X61. I despise it. Freezes up the machine while surfing with Firefox all the time, forcing me to do a forced shutdown. Now, I can accept application crashes. What I can't accept is that there's no way to kill the crashed process leaving me no option save a forced shutdown. A couple of days ago it corrupted the OS and I had to recover from the recovery partition. On the plus side, that did allow me to do wipe the drive clean and do a selective reinstall and discover about 20 gigs of space on my 60 gig HD that Lenovo had cluttered up with God know what crap.

Serolf Divad

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @aec007: You're an idiot.

Here's the gig. I'm a gamer, so naturally I hate Vista. It's a bloated system hog that just isn't tuned for gaming. XP is. I used Vista so I could enjoy DX10, but the headache wasn't worth it.

Now, if you aren't a gamer I can see why you might enjoy Vista. It's pretty, the search function in the start menu is simple yet comprehensive, and it 'feels' secure.

Bottom line, it isn't much more than a couple upgrades to XP. It is not the completely new OS I was hoping for. For some though, like the 85 year old I tutor every week it works just fine. For more demanding users like me, it's rubbish.

spock11384

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @imTheKing

No, just proving that you're a delusional fanboy by using these crazy things called 'facts'.

Whether or not it's morally right thing, if you want to work with large scale businesses then you have to conform to their software standards - which would mainly be XP at the moment. You can blub on about OSX being superior - and for home users it actually is, although not massively so and certainly not to the point where you need to change if XP or Vista works for you - but it remains largely untested in large scale business.

Of course, the initial point was that, sure, an upgrade to Leopard is cheaper than an upgrade to Vista, however the hardware it runs on is much more expensive and, in all honesty, not really that much better (I'm talking about comparing like for like - high spec machines, not bargain basement $250 pieces of shit) in terms of build quality.

The there's the issue of lock in. Apple are proprietary - you cannot legally use their OS on anything other than an Apple product (and therefore have no support agreements) which makes them an unattractive proposition for large scale business. Yes, you can use Windows on Apple products but it doesn't make economic sense to do so, especially if you have bundled hardware/software support agreements. Until Apple make OSX available to third parties that will remain the case.

As for qualifications, I have my Bachelors, professional qualifications and am part way through an MBA (not a Macbook Air LOLWTFBBQ!11!!) so I guess that's why I know a bit about economic reality.

Summary: Hush little baby.

Sleeper_Service

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> I have a Dell M2010 and the factory loaded Vista is crashing at least once a day. XP was rock solid on my previous Dell laptop.

PeteRR

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @Sleeper_Service: Havent you proven how completely stupid are you at this point? Are you done yet? Your using the fact that just because something has a monopoly on the industry, its a good thing? Are you kidding?

Let me guess, you have a degree from ITT. Dickwad.

imTheKing

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @iamTheKing

1) Look up global PC business sales for the period 2001-2007
2) Note how many of them are made by companies other than Apple (Hint: it's in excess of 95%)
3) Now look up OS usage stats for the same period
4) Note that the vast, i.e. in excess of 85%, majority is XP usage.

[www.onestat.com]

5) Realise that, once again, you're a complete fuckmuppet.

Seriously, how do manage to breathe when you're asleep?

Sleeper_Service

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> If you have Vista on your laptop quit complaining. You bought an OS that requires REAL hardware. I use x64 everyday and no complaints. I get the MS hate. I really do, but honestly...if you use Vista everyday you really just dont get all the Vista hate.

The only hate I have is for 3rd party developers who dont want to write a vista driver. Go learn something or go screw.

knappoleon

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> I have vista, and I like it better than xp

8026mn

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @Sleeper_Service:

"And I'll stick with an OS that's actually useful for large scale businesses...
...which would be XP."

HAH. remember that everytime you watch TV, or when you buy newly designed products or even the next time you go to the movies or watch a DVD or *gasp* a Blu-ray title and remember your statement. Thats when you should realize that its just about ALL made on a MAC! Your stupidity never ceases to amuse me.

imTheKing

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> Nothing's perfect, but I like Vista way more than XP. I had a lot of problems with Vista x64, but pretty much the only problem with x32 is the network file copy issue. And there are third party apps that can fix that until SP1 comes out.

Multiple monitor support, wireless drivers, office/outlook/explorer search integration, rollback mechanism, and raid drivers are just a few of the things that work far better in Vista than XP.

Most of the haters out there probably 1) haven't used vista, 2) have old hardware with bad drivers, or 3) user error.

reamer

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> Ok.Heres my take:

When I first installed Vista on my desktop there were problems. Major problems, so of course, I deemed Vista "crap" and re-installed XP. I have had a negative attitude towards Vista ever since.

Moving forward, I have since, purchased a new laptop (Compaq F750US-Turion TK-57, NVidia 7000m shared video, 1GB(upgraded to 2GB) that came with Vista Home Premium(Upgraded to Vista Ult). HP sure doesn't make it easy to downgrade back to XP, but I managed to get it done as a dual boot. I decided to give Vista another try and you know what? I like it. It works great. It was a bit sluggish with the factory installed 1GB, but once I upgraded to 2GB it absolutely flies. With one notable exception....network transfer. Theres definitely something not right there. But I can honestly say that Vista runs wonderful on a LOW END laptop with a measly video card performance of 2.8. Aero is smooth as butter in all accounts(Transparency, Flip 3D, etc).

So take it from a former Vista hater, those having problems with Vista either never use it(I have a feeling this accounts for more than half of the Vista hating), or are having serious hardware compatibility problems. Vista isn't perfect, but neither was XP at first, and it certainly doesnt deserve the bad press from all the bandwagon haters.

MeNotYou

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> My .02 cents:
Vista is what it is I use it occasionally I put the Home Premium Version on a pc that my nine year old uses. Its great. I can control how much time he spends on the P.C and what games he can download and play and view a log of his internet activity. XP does this with 3rd party software. My son likes all the aero effects and he finds it easier to use than Ubuntu Gusty thats loaded on my pc so vista does not suck it has many good points but people never look at the good points do they?


Juggrnott

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @Sunatic: Nobody with money would buy a cheap laptop cuz it's cheap unless they don't know any better. I really am surprised at the amount of people who read gizmodo and really don't know much about technology other than what they are being told. Have researching become a thing of the past? Even Gates came close to admitting that there are things severely wrong with Vista. If you don't see any problems with Vista, you just arent using your computer enough

vertibraker

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> Wow, one of the two vista supporters defends his position against the majority of Vista critics by being loud, obnoxious, and hostile. Regnez must be the Bill O'Riley of Giz.

rdldr1

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @regnez: I have a mid-range Acer Aspire laptop running Vista Premium. It runs FINE, the software itself is crap.

rdldr1

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @iamTheKing

"@Sleeper_Service: Now count the plastic shittyness of Dell"

Because Macbook's are mad of GOLD!

Seriously, talk not of that of which you know not.

"along with their really bad reliability issues and you have a better machine."

I think I already proved in another thread that Dell were mid-table in the reliability stakes. I think I also proved you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about.

"I'll pay the extra money. That and your first reference of the Macbook compared to a Dell at a loss of about $300, Ill stick with the macbook simply for OSX."

And I'll stick with an OS that's actually useful for large scale businesses...

...which would be XP.

Toodles.

Sleeper_Service

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> Ubuntu rocks more and more every day. Soon it will be solid enough that i can honestly recommend it to people who fear the CLI.

nutbastard

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @Ashground:
You do NOT Emulate windows programs in linux (on x86 hardware, anyways) you run them natively through WINE, which stands for:
Wine Is Not Emulation
or
Wine Is Not (an) Emulator

nutbastard

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> XP sp2 kicks vista sp1's ass
so forget about vista even getting near to sp3

VISTA SUCKS

room

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @regnez: AMEN TO YOU for defending Vista or at least defending how ignorant people are who say Vista sucks. I use Vista Ultimate on 2 computers I made and they've given me WAY less problems than XP. I rebuilt my old Pentium D 830 to give as a gift and I remember how bad XP was at supporting Intel's motherboard. I had to always install drivers from a CD or download them from Intel's website, but with Vista it instantly recognized it and I didn't have to deal with all the crap XP gave me. And like someone mentioned before, Vista rarely crashes, unlike XP.

And for all those XP users out there... how do you enjoy downloading probably 3-5 programs just so you can use your computer safely without viruses or trojans? Yea, is XP really that great? Most of you reading this probably and saying Vista sucks probably use a virus-infected XP.

fusiongt

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @Bokusatsu_Tenshi: funny haha...
I'm not laughing. Your analogy is nonsense.

My analogy refered to "idiot proofing" the OS although some users are not idiots, hence airbags are for idiots that do not use a seat belts, so they are now mandatory to save an idiot's life.


aec007

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @aec007: If you wanna make a more accurate analogy of UAC to your car, it should be something like this:

You sit on your car. A message pop up on your windshield.
"put your belts on".
You put the belts on. A message pops up on your windshield. "did you put your belts on".
You say "yes".
A message pop up on your windshield. "I don't think you did, did you really".
You say "yes".
A message pop up on your windshield. "Now, close the door".
You try to close the door, but it won't.
A message pop up on your windshield. "You have to be the owner of this car to close the door. Are you the owner of this car?"
You say "yes".
A message pop up on your windshield. "License and registration, please".
....

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> And here's the catch: XP is more expensive, there are no price cuts.

Is it:
A) because it's a better deal
B) because it's still superior to Vista
C) because people will end up buying it even if they already bought Vista
D) all of the above

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> Yay flame wars!

I use XP cause it's set up exactly how I want, and what works for me. And for those reasons, I won't change. My install is stable as hell and there's no reason to mess with it.

Once an OS rocks my socks, I see a reason to change. Otherwise, no.

That said, I'm looking to do a laptop Hackintosh. Why? To try something different. If it doesn't work, I'll throw XP back on it and be just as happy.

Fellow keyboard jockeys: just stop, seriously...you like OSX yay for you. Vista kicks ass, go you. Linux touches you in a way that if a woman touched you in that way, you'd say "oooh, yeah, that's nice" more power to you.

ry_ry

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @rdldr1: Funny, I'm running Vista Home Premium on a cheap laptop and I've not had issues with it. Actually, only twice: once with 30MB+ Powerpoint file while running on batteries-therefore, reduced CPU as I had set the policy on it. The other with crappy ass Intel Graphics Driver.

At my workstation, Vista gave me about 2 problems, both of them printer related, it was just a tad bit slow in printing stuff.

It did not eat my babies or my hardware, it did not kill your firstborn. IT's just a freaking OS, give up the hate folks.

Damage

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @HeartBurnKid:

Did you take into account that XP does not run desktop search, shadow copy in the background, etc... that is a default in Vista when counting frame rates? Though not.

"So I should put up with the idiot-proofing, even though I'm not an idiot,"

Add your car's airbag to that list... You do not need an airbag if you have a seat belt. You are not getting any better protection... go blame your senator.

UAC is not that bad... some days I don't even see it pop up at all... when it does is 1 or 2 clicks...
SO it BLOWS because of that?
WOW... I think you need to get some fresh air and enjoy life a little better rather than rant and complain about things that are not worth it.

By the way?
Did you provide Microsoft with some feedback on Vista or are you just a back seat driver?

I did.




aec007

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> I feel I must point out that when I transfer large files that take significantly longer to transfer than XP, I usually do not sit around like a bump on a log. It's called multi-tasking. So, essentially, the fact that a gigabyte transfer takes a few seconds to a few minutes longer than XP is a non issue as I would be doing something else productive anyway.

berribrand

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @HeartBurnKid: It really sounds like you are just buying into the hype. A substantial number of regular users of Vista like it. Long-term user experience is more telling than hype. Even a respected magazine's review should be taken with a grain of salt as their review is generally based on a relatively short term user experience. Once one gets used to where all the different buttons are and learns how to take advantage of built in efficiencies in Vista (like the new Start menu, which is a total time saver), the media-hype becomes more transparent.

berribrand

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> UAC ?
Well is a step forward to provide "better" protection for idiots that launch their own viruses in their computers and cry like babies because they infected their machines with
"a special gift for U e-mail"..... Morons.
- "...so, I just turn off UAC!" Moron AGAIN!... You should not turn off UAC because you turn off other intrinsic OS protection to registry keys and several other modules...

So I should put up with the idiot-proofing, even though I'm not an idiot, because MS are such bad designers that they couldn't implement UAC independent of the other OS protections? Seems to me that the real moron is the guy who designed it...

Game frame rates suck!
-Yes I'm sure you mightly blinking eye can persive 2 frames less out of 120 fps.

Yes, this is true. 15-20 out of 60 fps, on the other hand...

[enthusiast.hardocp.com]

HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @Ashground:
I think like you do also.

Of all the reviews of Vista I'm yet to read one that says anything positive about it.
Vista sticks, sucks, blows , yadda yadda yadda....

Yet when you put it in perspective what IS "what they don't like?
UAC ?
Well is a step forward to provide "better" protection for idiots that launch their own viruses in their computers and cry like babies because they infected their machines with
"a special gift for U e-mail"..... Morons.
- "...so, I just turn off UAC!" Moron AGAIN!... You should not turn off UAC because you turn off other intrinsic OS protection to registry keys and several other modules...

Game frame rates suck!
-Yes I'm sure you mightly blinking eye can persive 2 frames less out of 120 fps.

File copies are slow!...
Yeah, maybe... I don't go about copying 3 TB of data daily, so yes, another 15 seconds a day wasted waiting for file copies is really unerving!.
I'm sure that waiting another 5 seconds for a file transfer from your USB key guarantees a trip to your doctor due to migranes...

Things are not where they used to be!
Well, yeah, I concur, but I would not say the OS sucks because of it... same shit different place does not qualify as a valid argument to rant about. Actually some stuff moved makes sense!.

I have owned (and still own) every MS OS (except for DOS 4.0 I gave it away) ever made. I say Vista is the best yet.

There are countless things I can do in Vista that would sorely miss if I had to go back to XP. I've been using Vista since it came out in an old P4 (now 7 years old), it runs a little slower in some tasks, others does faster...
Over all, 100% more stable and secure. ZERO, NADA, ZILCH, problems so far after over a year of running.

For the record, I bought the Ultimate version OEM full install from Egghead at $299 over a year ago.

In December '07 I bought the "spanish" Home premium version OEM full install for my father in-law's new HP laptop we bought at Tiger Direct. $120.

Again... Zero problems.












aec007

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> OK, I lied on that first one; there is light console work required. Still, I fail to understand why people are afraid of one or two console commands. I really don't get it at all. Don't you people ever use the Windows command prompt?

HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @Ashground:

OpenOffice is nice, but it doesn't replace MS Office.

True, but if you absolutely must run MS Office, it's pretty easy to set up under Wine (no console required!): [wine-review.blogspot.com]

Firefox is nice, but if you're a web developer you need to run IE as well.

Again, fairly easy to get (this one does require a console, but only a few commands, not the "three days tweaking console commands" you mentioned): [www.tatanka.com.br]

Amarok is fine, but makes your iTunes purchases useless.

Wait, I thought we were talking about professional software... anyway, it only makes the DRM'd purchases useless, and if you had half a brain, you wouldn't have bought anything DRM'd in the first place. Don't buy anything you're not allowed to actually own.

Gimp is not Photoshop.

I'll give you this one, and if you're a professional graphic designer, Linux probably isn't for you. But if you're just making lolcats to put on a forum, GIMP will serve you fine.

HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @pastrychef: Dito. Any word on future Vista OEM prices, Giz?

Anybody who cares about money would buy an OEM version...generally much cheaper than the upgrade price (although I guess you miss out on the ability to transfer it to a different machine, which I think you get with a "regular" version?).

Any hardware you buy from newegg (including a $2 cable) qualifies you to buy OEM software...and the savings can be big.

EQC

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @HeartBurnKid: Actually, I regularly run XP, Vista, 10.4 and Debian (and I've run Ubuntu and Kubuntu at times as well), and I'd have to stand by the fact that running Linux is almost never a simple affair. When you install, odds are you'll have at least one component that'll take some command-line tweaking to run properly. Not to mention, Linux just isn't a viable option if you need to use it in a professional capacity. OpenOffice is nice, but it doesn't replace MS Office. Firefox is nice, but if you're a web developer you need to run IE as well. Amarok is fine, but makes your iTunes purchases useless. Gimp is not Photoshop. Of course, you can get all these programs to emulate in Linux, but I don't want to worry about emulating them. I just want to run them. Emulating software is a whole 'nother can of worms.

Also, I've never, ever had a Linux install "just work". I've installed it on numerous computers, and every single install has required some sort of cli madness.

I won't claim that Vista is "the next big thing". It isn't. Honestly, it's a very minor step up from XP, and that seems to be to consensus among reviewers. Somehow that's being spun into Vista being the Hindenburg of software.

Ashground

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @HeartBurnKid: Well said - I find it odd that Vista fanboys assume that anything not positive written about Vista is from a mac fanboy, linux fanboy, uninformed user or a M$ hater. I've been running some MS product on my home machines for over 20 years and 90% of the systems I support are also some form of MS OS. But that doesn't make me an MS Fanboy - when MS releases a turd I admit it.

Does OSX have some nice features - sure, so does Linux - I can't deny that. I can deny that Vista is good although it has some good features - the bulk though are nothing special - and quite a few negatives including - no direct root to controls that were available in XP and Windows 2003, missing shortcuts such as the up folder, incredibly bad network performance (AND YES - THAT INCLUDES VISTA SP1), incredibly bad file copy performance including Vista SP1, general sluggish behaviors and YES - THAT INCLUDES A CORE 2, 3GHz, 2 GIG of memory system - if it requires more horsepower than that it isn't a desktop platform but a supercomputer OS so it wouldn't be a replacement for XP.

I'm hoping that Windows 7 is everything Vista should have been as I'm ready for a new OS but not ready to go 100% linux at this point as a lot of my software isn't available for linux.

boe

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> I've got Vista Ultimate 64-bit. So here's what my experience is vs. XP:
-takes way longer to turn on, shut off, and come out of 'sleep' than XP
-the "Ultimate Extras"...where the hell are they already?!? that feature is clearly NOT worth the extra money you pay
-my IE7 stops responding and needs to be restarted more than it did in XP (a couple/three times a month vs none)

Also, ever since I installed the RC SP1, my VLC player won't play sound the first time I open a movie. I have to close the player, then open the movie again for the sound to work, random and stupid!

But my main beef I have is that it's BASICALLY XP but certain areas it actually performs worse, and in other ways, they've made things you're used to doing in XP needlessly different...and for hundreds of dollars. Unless you get it on a new computer, there's absolutely no reason to buy it!




ZombieFlanders

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @Sleeper_Service: Now count the plastic shittyness of Dell along with their really bad reliability issues and you have a better machine. I'll pay the extra money. That and your first reference of the Macbook compared to a Dell at a loss of about $300, Ill stick with the macbook simply for OSX.

imTheKing

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @regnez: You know, it's funny, but I have yet to read a single positive review of Vista, whether it's online or on a dead tree. Even Maximum PC, who have wholeheartedly endorsed every Microsoft OS except for Windows ME, can't find too much positive to say about Vista, despite the fact that it's the home of DirectX 10, and they're still recommending XP rigs. You'd think that that might make a dent on the Vista fanboys, make them see that it's not some great and horrible conspiracy against their new favorite OS, but no. That'd require a critical eye and rational thought, and anybody who has that is apparently "a loser who cries on the internet" or what have you.

@Ashground: You've never actually used Linux, have you? On my home machine, on a daily basis, I use OpenOffice, Firefox, Pidgin, MediaMonkey, and 7-Zip. Believe it or not, all but one of those have Linux versions, and I hear Amarok makes a pretty fine replacement for MediaMonkey. And, honestly, though my Linux experience is rather limited, it seems to me that you really don't have to even use the console if you don't want to, if you're using a decent distribution (read: Ubuntu). The only thing keeping me from switching over is the fact that XP is still usable and tolerable; once it gets End-Of-Lifed, I'll probably go over completely. Of course, I do find it ironic that somebody griping about "uninformed" opinions about Vista would toss off a ridiculously uninformed one about Linux, but hey... Internet.

HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @regnez: "I would guess that people who actually use Vista, on a day to day basis, get annoyed by all the articles about how miserable it is."

* Raises hand

I've used it for a year straight on both my laptop and desktop and it's been great. XP is really starting to bug me now, since I've found faster ways to do things in Vista. What, you need to run Photoshop? That's easy, just click Start > All Programs > Adobe > Photoshop. Or, if you're running Vista, just tap the Start key followed by "ph" and hit enter.

And c'mon, "Vista made me a Linux user"? Really? The changes to the Start menu were so horrible that you decided to chuck out all your software and 95% of your games, format your hard drive, and spend the next three days typing in obscure console commands trying to get your onboard sound working, because in the end this is somehow easier than putting up with the (relatively minor) hiccups in Vista? Or were you actually trying to say "I've been a Linux user, but I tried out Vista and didn't like it, so now I'm like double a Linux user."

Egads, people! Get some perspective!

* Mutters something about "someone being wrong on the internet" and gets back to work

Ashground

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> I agree people should test for themselves to see what they think. I tested it on many machines and it sucked on all of them - even using all the tweaks on the web, updating all the drivers, using SP1, updating all the post SP patches. Some people say you just need to use it on better equipment. If a Core2 3GHz processor and 2 gigs of ram isn't enough - what does it require to run well on a network? My point of comparison is the same machine running XP (linux is probably faster for some things but I didn't compare since linux doesn't run all the apps we use).

For people that don't have the time to test for themselves I'd recommend just googling Vista XP benchmarks (you can even put in SP1) if you like although SP1 didn't improve speeds as much as MS said it would.

Putting Vista on a super speedy new computer with plenty of memory, a fast hard drive, a fast network card, a fast video card and a very fast processor is like throwing an anchor overboard on your speed boat or deploying a parachute on your race car.

Would I like to see Vista as a viable alternative - that would be great but in my opinion anything that slows down the clients that much isn't a good thing.

For those that think it is super secure, I think (just my opinion) security is probably related to market percentage - I think if Vista had 50% or even 25% of the market hackers would spend more of their evil time working on hacks for Vista - but it is like a grafiti tagger writing on a park bench - do they tag the underside of the seat that no one sees or the back - the most visible part? I think OSX would be "less secure" if it owned more market share - I'm not saying OSX is not secure, I'm saying the number of hacks would go up if it had more market share.

I'd also highly recommend people read the comments about Vista by MS employees that were released because of the new Vista class action suit - one of my favorites questions whether they should do the right thing as fixing the bad vista code would be too expensive. :)

boe

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @regnez: Miserable is to HAVE to use Vista because of my job. Damn, this OS sucks so hard. Does the same that XP but is much slower.

Palestina

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> why do people spell Mac as MAC? I don't get it. They don't say VISTA. or UBUNTU. Mac, Vista, Linux. Easy on the caps lock guys.

nutbastard

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> I'm in a corporate environment that deals with a variety of other corporations. The general consensus is to not upgrade for a while yet till Vista works out it's issues. I can't claim to have used Vista extensively but the 2 days that I had to were possibly the most painful experience I've had with a new OS to date. It felt like I was more or less boxing with Windows instead of just using it to do work.

TheCyberBob

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @iamTheKing

MacBook (2.4GHz CPU, 2GB RAM, 250GB HDD) = $1,399
Dell Inspiron 1420 (same specs) = $1,049

MacBook Pro 15" (2.6GHz CPU, 4GB RAM, 200GB 7200 HDD, 512MB 8600MGT) = $3,199
Dell XPS MP1530 (same specs except 256MB on Graphics) = $2,073.

You're right, it's only a one third to one half mark up. Not including the cost of a copy of Windows though.



Sleeper_Service

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> Vista made me a Linux user now.

hkicedude

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> Vista is just bad business. I am not buying any branded laptop right now because of Vista. The latest laptop market is made silly with Vista. For most branded Laptop if you have Vista Business you can downgrade to XP Pro. Why not for Vista Basic and Vista Home Premium to XP Home? Once again it proofs my point that MS really do not care about individuals (the small guys) or the consumer market. For corporates (the big guys) they need to buy new laptop yearly have been complaining for a while now that they want XP pro rather than Vista. So that is the reason why Vista Business and Ultimate can downgrade to XP.

hkicedude

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> Vista made me a MAC user. No WOW here ladies and gentlemen, move along now... =)

fusedinertia

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> Uh, sorry, nerds, I just built a Core 2 Quad with Vista and it rocks. Love the new UI, love how out-of-my-way compared to XP it is, love all the little fit and finish enhancements and LOVE running 64-bit Vista.

I also love how Internet nerds spend the entire day in an online echo chamber with people who think and act exactly like them and then emerge, blinking into the sun, and announce what a majority of people in the world believe.

Sadly, geek groupthink is actually getting more belligerant and deluded as time goes on.

GizmodoSucks2

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> I've had Vista for the better part of a year now, problem free. I'd say take advantage of the price cut...join the darkside!

i BaldEagle

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @Sleeper_Service: Thats a old tune your playing. Build a comparable computer, its not that far off (and no, not the Air).

As for Vista, it runs fairly well. I use it as a secondary OS to OSX Leopard for testing production projects. It freezes up sometimes but its not as bad as I expected. XP is still the better of the two as far as I can tell.

imTheKing

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @SgtBeavis

The cost of OSX is somewhat offset by the fact you have to pay double for the same hardware specification though.

Sleeper_Service

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> I keep thinking I might upgrade my Parallels XP install on my MacBook Pro, but after following discussions liek this for almost a year. I think I'll pass. I want to like Vista....I really do.

tamoko

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @bitphil: I'm sorry. I didn't explain myself fully.

I did not fudge a setting. There was no rhyme or reason to which folders behaved like picture folders and which ones didn't. I had a helluva time trying to get to settings within the folders to change things. In that regard, yes, my geek cred goes down a rung. But damn it, changing folder options should be way more intuitive.

I understand that ram is one of the primary causes of BSODs. That is why I ran memtest on my machine to verify that my ram was not broken before installing any OS. It wasn't. Maybe it was Vista, maybe it wasn't, but I haven't had one BSOD since going back to XP.

Point taken on the malware piece.

I appreciate you helping me flesh out my criticisms of Vista. Take care.

BTW, all coarse language used in frustration aimed at Vista, not you.

spock11384

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @shiftyeyedgoat: "not so bad"

But is it worth spending $219 on a software upgrade that's "not so bad"? I can think of a lot more better uses for $219 then paying Microsoft for a mediocre software upgrade.

IphtashuFitz

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> Fire sale?

Galley

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> It's okay to like Windows XP.
It's okay to like whatever works for you.

I'll try Vista in my next machine. By then they'll have worked out the bugs I'm sure.

For now XP rocks for me and my aging Dells.
In fact I eagerly await the final release of SP3 and appreciate the continued support of XP by Microsoft because of that.

It might work to their advantage with folks like me because now on my next machine I'm pulling out the stops as far as they'll go so I can get the most out of Ultimate or whatever the balls to the wall version is at that time.

My arms are hurting from all the metaphor mixing, but, it's my way.

strider_mt2k

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> So Vista Ultimate is $319?

A fully loaded OS X is still only $129 or you can buy 5 license for $199. Oh and there is no Activation.

SgtBeavis

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> I love Vista, it does exactly what I want. Fortunatly, I was able to get the teacher discount for Upgrade copies, so cost wasn't an issue....but I woujld have NEVER paid full price at launch for it. Glad to see it coming down in price.

I've had very few issues with Vista, none of which earth shattering. Never had the OS crash, lock-up or BSOD, which is more than I can say for Leopard on my g4.

Lizard_King

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> Vista is what MADE me build my first Hackintosh. Goodbye Microsoft.

Lester56

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @spock11384:

As much as building your own computer started off your post with geek cred, the rest of your post kind knocks you down a few rungs.

All folders changing to picture folders = you fudging a setting. Not Vista's fault.

BSODs normally happen after the operating system is unable to read/write to the RAM, which is highly likely since again, you built the machine yourself. In the world of DIY computers, you just got to accept the fact that sometimes you pull bad RAM out of the batch and won't notice it until a rash of BSODs. At which point you should have been doing Memcheck98 scans and hard drive scans to see if it was either of those parts or the PSU. Blaming Vista is frankly a very naive thing to do.

And finally, malware? really? Are you going to blame Microsoft for going to naughty websites?

bitphil

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> just to put my opinion in this debate above,
having had to get used to using vista(preinstalled) on my friends and relatives computers, I have to say vista is a mess.
It's not any more secure IMO than XP and the constant warning messagesare a pain.
It doesn't offer any actual added fuctionality compared to XP apart from flash, which slows down the system furthur.
Even wifi enabling using the default drivers is a pain compared to XP.
IMO, XP may be more rough looking, but it's more mature and has everything that people actually require from Vista. Plus I can get things done in XP much faster. Vista slows me down as a user






DagMX

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> Vista is much better than XP. You should try it.

yoshi

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> I'm an Apple fanboi. I have yet to actually use Vista (surprised?) I honestly couldn't tell you wether or not it sucks. That said "VISTA SUCKS MY BALLS!"

dallasmay2

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @spock11384:

Man, i think you are cursed, really. I use Vista for almost 1 year and never had any of those problems you had.

But this doesn't mean that i didnt have any problem at all... But concerning security issues i have none, actually i even dont have a antivirus.

yasudevil

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> I built a new rig with an Opteron 165 at 2.7ghz, 2gb of ram, and a GeForce 8800gt. I opted to try Vista Ultimate x64 because I wanted the best and DX10. Everything was great at first.
Then all of my folders changed to picture folders. Then I started getting BSODs. Then my computer just refused to behave, ever. I had a ton of malware despite those ridiculous confirmation messages that popped up when anything was installed.
Not to mention, I wasn't a true administrator. I had to activate the real admin account from the command line and even then I was still limited in what I could do.

I reformatted and installed XP. Crysis runs on high without issue, I don't have to deal with those awful confirmation messages, and life is good again. Say what you will, but as far as I'm concerned Vista is ME v2. I won't touch it for a very, very long time.



spock11384

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> i still use xp, mainly avoiding vista because of the extra bloat, which causes more system lag, especially when you're using a computer like mine that has any old parts shoved into it. some of my RAM is PC2100 (half a GB) and some of it is PC3200 (1 GB), none of it is really low latency, my processor is single core with a low clockspeed and a small L2 cache, and i'd probably suffer to death with any bulkier of an OS than i already have.

although i will admit that the aero UI is a great improvement over any pervious UI in any previous version of windows (albiet even more resource-hogging).

rimplestultskin

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @jcy:

I read all the articles I posted a day or two after they were published, which was sometime ago.

And the cnet review actually does the best job of proving the point I am trying to get across: Vista is "very good", as the reviewer/review of cnet (and all the other sites I linked) declares, but the user review for Vista is low.

This means that intelligent, rational people are hard to come by online, but they do exist. Idiots and trolls, on the other hand, wait around every corner and lap up the chance to spew garbage about Microsoft products.

If you are not having trouble with a product, you simply continue to use and enjoy it. If you do encounter problems, however, what is the first thing many people do? Take it straight to the web.

It is easy to find people who hate Vista; I am just speaking on behalf of those of us who enjoy it and the benefits/pleasantries it provides.

...apologies if this is a double post. Giz just crapped out on me for a second.

regnez

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> I had to get some files of my old xp machine today, it crashed within 5 minutes. I've been running Vista for 6 months now and it's yet to freeze or crash... so how exactly is it that xp is better Haroon?

Drvec

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> CNET users ratings LOL!

I mean seriously, how many of them actually use Vista and just do the usual "omg it suckz0rz!1!" chant of the great uninformed.

Vista is OK. Not great, not life changing, but OK. To say it sucks is just plain stupd.

Sleeper_Service

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> Hopefully, this extends to OEM versions. That way, machines bundled with Vista will be cheaper.

pastrychef

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @regnez: OK, I lied. I had to respond to this particular bit of idiocy on your part. you didn't even read those articles, did you?

reviews.cnet.com: [b]User's Rating 4.9/10[/b] (only the editor's gave it a C+ rating of 7.8/10)

forbes: [www.forbes.com]

MIT Technology Review: [www.technologyreview.com]

those were the only two reviews i remember offhand, google provided a bunch of other links but i'm not going to bother reading what i already know.

jcy

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @regnez: amen.

The only problem I had with Vista was copying and pasting files required 2 tries to succeed. But hey, I installed and removed the service pack beta once or twice so I won't begrudge it for that. Back to using XP for now... [dramatic music]

Rususeruru

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @jcy:

[www.trustedreviews.com] | [www.dailytech.com]

[reviews.cnet.com] | [www.bit-tech.net]

Respected tech sites around the web, as well as Vista sales, seem to agree with me.

regnez

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @Sunatic: maybe you should look a few stories down and see what a complete fraud those "Vista Ready" stickers were. that added greatly to the Vista suckitude.

a $400 laptop will run XP fairly well. what gains were made in Vista over XP, that justifies paying double for the hardware specs? nothing. so add another reason to why Vista is a failure.

jcy

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @regnez: no, the messed up networking core is a HUGE sign to everyone that they really lost sight of what the proper priorities are in building an OS. also, when all the retailers basically forced MS to back off on forcing Vista down everyone's throat and allow them to offer XP again w/ PC's, that was another sign that Vista was hated.

you're in denial, i get it. i won't waste anymore effort on showing you all of the copious evidence that Vista sucks and is unpopular because frankly, you're just trying to save face now.

jcy

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @jcy: actually you're the one implying that he's poor. i can be rich and still buy a $400 laptop 'coz it's a good deal. the point he was making was that ppl buy crappy computer with vista pre-installed and then go bitch that vista sux.

Sunatic

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> I use Vista EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. I hate it. I don't have an XP license so I have to deal.

elinenbe

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @jcy:

What is your position? That Vista sucks because the internet says so? Because you say so?

Or because you pull implications out of thin air (weak?) and rhyme your comments, making your points more valid?

regnez

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @berribrand: and you're basing this conclusion off what? a sampling of 1, i.e. yourself?

jcy

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @regnez: gawd your position is so weak you have to resort to implying that he's poor and weak. take your lame game and just go away.

jcy

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @rdldr1: I don't think you have the data to support a claim that a "majority" of users dislike Vista. The media has a way of, shall we say, perpetuating popular myths without dilligent fact checking. One media outlet makes an unsubstantiated claim and suddenly it becames the truth, ipso facto. Many users of Vista are quite pleased - I am one of those many users.

berribrand

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @rdldr1:

Are you sure it is Vista that sucks, and not your new laptop?

Was that $400 Compaq (with a free printer!) at Circuit City just too good to pass up?

regnez

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @regnez: I have Vista, which came with my new laptop. It SUCKS. A majority of users have reached the same conclusion. Nuff said.

rdldr1

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> Id say that this price reduction is normal, since Vista has been out since Jan 2007. But still, Vista is quite the step backwards for Microsoft. Id also say most people would adopt Vista if it came with their new PC, rather than shell out the $$ for an unnecessary upgrade.

I do love Vista's support for memory beyond 2 gigs, though.

rdldr1

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> @jcy: The only complaint I really have with Vista is this.

I've been using it since day 1 (thank you, MSDNAA) and despite its enormous bloat and inexplicably terrible networking issues, it's really not so bad.

shiftyeyedgoat

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> i use vista x64 everyday and it's fucking miserable for copying files over the network. nuff said.

jcy

]]> <![CDATA[Microsoft Cuts Vista Prices, XP Still Better]]> Seems to be more Vista-hate than usual around here lately.

I would guess that people who actually use Vista, on a day to day basis, get annoyed by all the articles about how miserable it is.

Then again, it is very unlike the internet to rationally discuss a product, particularly something from MS. It is much easier to just say it sucks, spout some bullshit about what an awful experience you or "your friend" had with it, and move on.

Never before has a price-drop been portrayed in such an awful tone.

regnez

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