ThatsMrOffDutyNinja

mnate

Actually, I was just making fun of someone else's cheap shot about its vs. it's.

imajoebob

At this point, we wanted to see which navigation layout would work best. Each pixel on a small screen is valuable. We'll be hacking away at the "white spaces" and borders over the next few weeks...trying out different approaches.

RainyDayInterns

lianna_g

MrBlahBlah

[www.rainydaymagazine.com]

Actually, the only speed that works well with the iPhone or iPod Touch is surfing over WiFi. Otherwise it just feels a bit too slow.

RainyDayInterns

solidsquirrel

I've owned an iPhone for a good 5 months now, and although I'm not a heavy web surfer on the iPhone, I've used my share of Safari on it, and I've yet to come across a website where I was like "Shit, I'm missing crucial content here because I don't have Flash."

The only exception to that was YouTube (when there still was a lot of videos you couldn't find on the iPhone/YouTube application).

So, in conclusion, I agree that for the sake of completion, it would be nice to have some Flash support, I also agree that it's not critical, because I certainly am not missing Flash right now.

Dearhaw

@jeepingeek: it works. it won't be fast but if you got no other choice, it works...

VakeroRokero

@freakshow1: you're one of those jerks that just waste time insulting total strangers on the internet instead of adding something useful to the discussion.

alukard

jeepingeek

You're so smug. You must be one of those too cool hipsters who sits in the coffee shop pretending to be relevant and failing miserably.

Must be nice using Windblows Mobile or Crackberry.

freakshow1

ROR!!!!

@imajoebob:

Grammar Nazi!

freakshow1

If Mobile Flash is too wimpy, then it would not be a problem supporting it, would it?
I mean, wimpy support is always better than NONE.

Lame excuse is lame.

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

Out2gtcha

I agree with flash being fun, but it doesn't need to be on the iPhone to make or break decisions to purchase.

sangarts2

BigDaddyM

imajoebob

Honestly people, if anything, comments like this make me think that he's going to announce something like that. Adobe and Mac seem to be working together like PB&J, I wouldn't put it past Steve. As it is, users will need to update to use the SDK programs I assume, so why not include something everyone wants along with it, so they can be hooked in and ready to get these new apps?

And also, wouldn't access to the SDK allow for a flash viewer to be added anyways? (Not really up on the tech in that department)

leadster618

gamecrazychris

Funny enough, out of the box there's a great Flash Player on it. And this is from 4 years ago!!! Now how did they do it back then and how come Apple nor Palm could do it now. Blows my mind.

contempt

Good for you apple, cut out that capability and your kool-aid kids will go "Hey! A new feature!"

lianna_g

onlooker

Knirfie

Skeptical_Geezer

phi

CliftonSantiago

I eagerly await this inevitability with the fervor of a young child on Christmas Eve...Apple's Doom will be the most glorious of gifts.

Awake77

Sam6644

NotVendorBought

"Sorry, but you must upgrade to QuickTime X.X2 to view this video".

But, I just upgraded to QuickTime X.X1 yesterday, and installed X.X0 last week. I hate you QuickTime!!!

drewheyman

ANoel

idiots...

axiomatic

Megan Fox Iz Hot! ^-^ - ph15h

jetexas

That's why i don't like Apple... Everybody says that Sony wants to push their techonologies to the consumer (wich is true) but I think that apple it's about the same... but hey! Apple has fanboys that accept everything. If one day, for some reason Apple release a touchscreen only notebook everybody will, WOW! Doesn't matter if it's a pain in the ass to use that, it's an Apple they must be right.

Meh!

yasudevil

Zenshai

Perhaps you should take your reading and comments somewhere else.

jetexas

graffiksguru

LOL!

Sleeper_Service

"Funny, Mobile Flash seems to work OK on all of the other phones that it's installed on. I'm sure we could make do with it on the precious iPhone."

Adam, regarding Flash Lite; this isn't what I've been reading around the web (as well as some of the posts above).

I usually don't get irritated by what I read on Gizmodo. But it really sounds like you've got an axe to grind. Maybe you should be grinding that axe somewhere else?

seismic007

jetexas

nikeplr

1. Bloated as a mofo flash based web designs -- The last thing I want to see on my mobile browser (or any browser for that matter) is a friggen 28 loading animation.

2. flash video modules -- H.264, mpeg, avi, wmv...there are too many formats to name that work just as well for video as a flash video

3. animated ads -- nuff said

mrbrownstone

el bryanto

Kim98

Canadian Impostor

Yeebles

My Treo can't even render HTML properly, you ungrateful bastards.

JacquesAss

Scuba Steve

dantaylor08

RobotVampire

Say goodbye to Safari if they can keep the browsing experience the same otherwise...

mpjohnst

Bring flash to mobile OSX. Nokia have done it successfully with S60 and Maemo, and others are are following suit. Its not all about youtube.

Create plugins to block out ads and other malicious content if you must, but don't stifle the fun of the web and say its a pointless endeavour to include such a widely used web standard.

We can only hope.

Damn, it disgusts me to see what some of you say and how blindly you agree without a shade of grey. well, free speech and all that. I just pray its the minority.

alukard

You hit the nail on the head (or Gruber did).

My personal taste: I don't like Flash websites at all so I am kind of glad that they won't be gunking up my iPhone anytime soon.

I think Gizmodo completely missed Apple/Jobs' position - Apple doesn't want Adobe to create a "Goldilocks-esque middle version" of Flash but rather for the mobile web to embrace quicktime instead of Flash.

chefmitch

Jobso is no fool- Flash is a defacto standard on the desktop, but there is no dominant mobile standard yet. Why should he hand that kind of power to Adobe? Why, I fully expect to see Apple release a super-Dashboard environment for the iPhone, that adds some graphics API calls to Javascript. They'll release the API headers as an open spec, and try and topple Flash from the mobile side.

t3knomanser

freakshow1

pek

Flash Player 9 is a performance hog. It can barely eek out an acceptable frame rate rendering a small number of objects/behaviors on a full blown bleeding edge desktop let alone on a slow-ish handset. The player has very little support for hardware acceleration (it is just now adding a glitchy and somewhat slow version of video acceleration for fullscreen video, does not support hardware 3d cards that most desktops have, and certainly doesn't have rendering code designed to speed up sprite rendering by leveraging hardware). Try comparing a Flash9 "papervision 3d" experience (nice but may as well be an old Playstation 1 game c.1997), to a modern game on the same computer, for example.

A while back Sony CLIE handsets had a custom Sony-only build of the 'real' Flash Player (well, it was about a generation back from the then current version for the web). From what I recall Sony built this port in house, licensing the Flash Player code (not the other way around).

For Adobe to make a custom Flash Player for iPhone that really worked at an acceptable level they would need to do something they've barely begun to do with the web player: they would need to redevelop the player ground up to really use everything it can of the hardware it is sitting on. It is probably unreasonable to believe they will do this for the iPhone when they don't even do this with their desktop player/plugin.

Apple seems to be embracing the trend of websites to go AJAX and focus on JavaScript and tricky HTML interfaces. The performance of AJAX applications on the iPhone isn't too bad, but still needs to be optimized for iPhone like any other site would need to be (like facebook, etc.) to make an ideal experience. Apple's own sites do not use Flash, but use a nice blend of AJAX and Quicktime to deliver content (take a look at the new .mac gallery for example).

Are long comments a faux pas? Oops...

alinear

jacksonwhole

lefty-

You obviously don't have an iPhone. As far as I can tell the conversion of all YouTube video to H264 is complete. I never have a problem accessing any YouTube videos on my iPhone.

NormM

frigg

Mr. Black

Zakintosh

markarian

• No, no it doesn't.

Plus, except for Scrabulous I haven't missed it at all. If flash were there the processor would work hard to render pages and the battery would due faster. Flash sucks on Mac OS X and it sucks on the ARM CPUS. Adobe is the issue here, not Apple, and I hope Adobe never come through.

Leonard Nimrod

But yes. iPhone/iTouch needs flash support. I don't like not being able to show possible clients my website on the fly (though showing photos directly on the Touch is a bit easier anyways).

wizardofpants

iotashan

Chimera

SausageAndOnion

I can guarantee that Adobe isn't looking for money for making Flash for the iPhone. Flash is their gateway product, just like Acrobat... They make the money on server software (Flash Media Server, LiveCycle Data Services, ColdFusion) and other services, which encourage people to use Flash as the front-end UI.

Remember, the big selling point of flash is that it works identically across platforms and browsers.

iotashan

Buran

iotashan

Considering that most new Flash apps that come out are now written for Flash 9, it would be silly for Adobe to port Flash Lite over to the iPhone. I also agree that the fully-fledged Flash 9 would probably chew through the iPhone's battery like a snake in a pickle barrel (kudos to whomever gets that reference).

Drunken discussions with Adobe employees have confirmed that something is in the works, and that they probably shouldn't have said anything.

iotashan

My guess is that Apple is just stalling until they can hold out no longer, giving AT&T time to make sure they can handle the coming bandwidth load.

apt94jesse

nebs123

The SDK won't help. Best case scenario it offers wide powerful support for applications. It will not support anything like system level components. Flash, begin a Safari plug-in to be used by various web sites will fall closer to "system component" than application.

reverse

mildretard

FuzzysFriedChicken

arch05

mildretard

Let's hope that these rumors are wrong and we do get flash support.

Fanboy's unite!

frostoy

zombo

WilCon

tamoko

APPLE OWNS EVERYONE.

Yea, yea, I is fanboy blah, blah.

MBPro