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SomeoneUKno

Im sorry, I'm all for jumping into a flame war here and there, but when it gets to the point where someones ego is being fueled by it I have to say something. Honestly, what makes someone better or worse based off of the computer they use? You're boasting on how you're better than all PC users because you use a Mac, and then completely flame someone out for it.

OK, so basicly what you're saying here is that people are better people based off of the products they buy and use? Thats not shallow at all...

SomeoneUKno

skylark64

chrstphr

Of course when you're at home and your cord is tucked under your desk then no one would trip on it. But when you're lugging your Mac around campus, it's a real life-saver.

chrstphr

Ednonymous

NightElfMohawk

I mean, it's not that hard... you just have to be a little organized. It would be nice to have a PS2 joystick with something like Magsafe though...

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

ecobore

MeNotYou

Buran

MBA aside, (I have no time to discuss all the issues I have with that thing) & irrespective of their capabilities VS a PC based LT, to me they all still have that over simplified, minimalistic, spartan, Fisher-Price toy feel.

Plus, I guess I'm the only guy on Earth who can't stand the mac OS/mouse set up and has no time or inclination to duel boot.

This being said, I can't speak for Leopard as I have not worked with it that much.

Out2gtcha

JohnOB1

@Out2gtcha: Customization is limited on Apple's desktop units, but this same argument is invalid when you're talking about laptops.

Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E

Although I am a gamer, I have found so many other instances at work where none of the apple products will work (hardware wise and a few SW) that I have had to give up on some of our customers who don't want to change HW or duel boot.

The not-so-surprising thing is most of those customers initially paid way more for that out-of-the-box apple product than something I could have custom built for them at nearly half the cost and had all the compatibility they needed to run everything; HW and SW.

Out2gtcha

If you mean HW, then you are correct. To make the machines as thin, sturdy and optimized as they are, you can't have interchangeable components. It's a tradeoff and always will be. If you are serious gamer then Macs aren't for you, even if you do install Windows. ATI and NVIDIA just don't offer the same HW as they do for Windows.

Leonard Nimrod

After going to sleep the contents of RAM will automatically be copied to the HDD (providing there is enough space) so if the battery does completely run out or is pulled out you can add power and it comes back to where you at with in a minute.

@kipmartin: I am a longtime Mac user, and owna plethora of other Apple products. I have spent of working years working on windows machines of all kinds in the enterprise so when I get home I do wnat something that "just works", but I disagree with your comments.

'"Theres more software available for MS boxes'. nope, doesnt hold water anymore.'
While it was true pre-OS X, and OS X has closed the gap significantly, there are still some things that are made Windows only purely because they have such a large marketshare. Most would be hard pressed to find an app that wasn't cheaper, and more refined on a Mac than on a Windows machine, but it's still possible. Especially with in-house company apps.

'"Too expensive!" nope, Minis only cost $500. and they kick ass.'
• With the change to Intel it's much easier to do a direct comparison and there are many examples that Macs are cheper when comparing the exact processor config. But Apple's lowest priced machine compared to other OEMs cheapest machiens shows the Mac is not a budget PC.

The Mini isn't a good example for a desktop computer.. While it's relatively inexpensive, it does a 2.5" HDD and other components that are more expensive and most often found in a notebook

"Theres no drivers for Mac!" like there are for Vista?
• Usually not an issue but there are still plenty of perhipeals that don't officially support OS X but fully support XP. As Mac marketshare rises this will slowly change.

Leonard Nimrod

joe23521

Buran

I'm not rich, no doubt. But I'm single and manage to pay all my own bills, have a house, 2 cars, a motorcycle, and some other assorted toys like R/C stuff a carbon fiber road bike and what-not, so affording some out of the box apple is not the issue.

Microsoft is not the issue either; I hate Microsoft. My argument has nothing to do with Microsoft what-so-ever. I use Red Hat mostly.

Again, fanbois can own whatever POS they want, just don't try to get me to own one, especially after actually having to work with apple products.

For me it's not JUST the inability to customize, it's the FEEL that all apples have to me, lap top or desktop;
Over simplification; minimalistic to the end; like a Fisher Price computer you have to use in out-of-the-box form, or not at all.

@kipmartin:
Works fine in your cube eh? I bet the server you connect to every day is an apple product too right?
Because everyone knows apple is the standard for servers and business roll-outs right? Right?

Out2gtcha

Good times.

sgodun

Xenocide

When I can do everything I need on a Mac, I'll replace the desktop too. Right now, I'm happy with my Powerbook as a secondary device.

Lizard_King

sonburn

kleene

WHat I love now is that my charger light comes on, turns green, and unless the battery is charging it goes out even though it's powering the laptop.

Xavoc

ANoel

hanswurst0815

Some people find the value in macs, some people don't. I don't believe that me owning a mac in any way makes me superior (I already know I'm superior!) to PC owners.

At the time I purchased my mbp, it was the same price as a comparably equipped dell, was lighter, thinner, and more durable. Oh, and I could now dual boot. It made sense to not have a dedicated PC anymore at that point.

Xavoc

"Theres more software available for MS boxes'. nope, doesnt hold water anymore.

"Too expensive!" nope, Minis only cost $500. and they kick ass.

"Theres no drivers for Mac!" like there are for Vista?

"Steve Jobs is an ass!" oh, and Bill Gates is a sweet guy.

tell me one thing a PC does better (other than simply being ubiquitous) and ill shut up. just dont use the 'its the standard in corporate America." my mac worlks fine right here in my cube.

kipmartin

J0hnP

Apologies all around.
I succumb; I'm going out for my MBA tomorrow.

"Don't flame be bro!"

Out2gtcha

5 hours? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. 3 hours, maybe.

duckandcover

Reilaos: Reading Comprehension is your friend!

A Lawyer

I never really had an opinion either way; until I was forced to work with them.

Lets just suffice it to say when I want to build a piece of computing technology I don't want to HAVE to use an certain components, let alone being held hostage by the manufacture itself for repairs or replacements.

The thing the fanbois don't get why some people hate apple so much (for me anyway) is this:

I'm no fan of IBM.
I'm no fan of Dell.
I'm not really into Sony or HP and hate Gateway. The thing is if you want a PC (not talking LTs here) you don't HAVE to go with any of these manufacturers. You can go almost anywhere including the net and choose every single component from case to GPU to pwr supply, and build the whole thing; EVERYTHING yourself from components you choose, without being held hostage by any one company, AND you can replace or upgrade any of those components yourself at any time with a wide variety of manufacturers, prices, and performance.

You want an apple? You're not just going to go traversing the net or walk into some computer store and start picking up a variety of apple components to build your own imac.
Yeah, you can change some of the stuff in G series apples but that is still limited and no one that I know that uses apples (even the G users) modifies their stuff to much of a degree.

Tons of people buy & use apples. I get it. That's their right, people can use whatever crap they want. Personally I don't ever want to have to go to one manufacturer to get everything, all the while, for my usage, having to sacrifice usability, functionality, and customizability for image and the typical "Fisher-Price" feel that to me, all apples seem to have in common, lap top, desk top or otherwise.

*END RANT* Sorry, you asked.

Out2gtcha

"1) How exactly does it affect Jobs? The Mac is already bought and your chances of needing a new machine increase as the power cable is even less likely to come detached than prior to the MagSafe, which makes it more likely to send your Mac on a trip."

popstand

johnnyabnormal

MACPollo

MagSafe has saved my MBP's life more than once.

MACPollo

If you want to change the battery, put the laptop to sleep and do so. In the off-chance that the Magsafe connector pops off, you have nothing to worry because the laptop will be in deep sleep mode. Plug it back in, swap your battery, and boot it right back up. It'll take a little longer to wake up, but you're not losing anything.

Regarding fucktards that claim they hate Apple but can't help reading and commenting on every single Apple related post; whatever floats your boats, but it's pathetic nonetheless ;-p

Dearhaw

RockoWasTaken

rfaulder

* In all honesty, I VNC into my laptop from work (to bypass web filtering) and sometimes my cats unplug it. So something like this could actually be useful for me, but it doesn't happen often enough for me to want to shell out $12.

t3knomanser

For some reason, the logic of one of these fits comfortably in my mind next to, "I don't wear a seat belt because I want to get thrown clear of the car accident".

Oldbrass

Klappstuhl

2) This does not work for the MacBook as the connector to the right of the MagSafe plug is an Ethernet jack.

Leonard Nimrod

Kaiser-Machead's LEGO WALL-E

SchruteBuck

duckandcover

Joseph

MFlick

IUSEAMACSOSUEME

Yeash.

Dr.Danger, Hasta la victoria siempre!

Monty

Yep.

Out2gtcha

Besides - MagSafe is a hell of a lot better than the stereo phono/RCA plug hybrid from the G4's. Any upwards motion, or slight tug to the side, and it would never charge for me.

Lizard_King

Spyrojoe

dondiego87

MFlick

ealexand