<![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> @rimplestultskin:

Dummie

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> aquos + car navigation ftw.
count me in. and while you're at it, make an adapter that can control my car's heat/AC because to put in a navi screen, i'd need to pull out my heat/AC controls and my stereo, and pop-out screens are too ricey for me. veilside body kit, fine, but a pop-out screen in my car's center console would scream "unclean design".

rimplestultskin

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> @Noobs-R-Us: Seriously, if your concrete floor is sinking, move. Typically, the concrete used for the floors in high rise buildings is designed for 6,000 psi. A TV won't casue your floor to sag.

ragged

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> @Noobs-R-Us: Oh come on. The weight on a TV is less anything you would need to worry about with a foundation. If around 200lbs. of standing weight is going to make or break your foundation, you need to move, not buy a TV. Not a Valid point.

I understand the need to help install, but that is really true with anything over 37". As I found, "level" is not level, it looked awkward with the door frame so close, which isn't exactly plumb. Maybe my foundation started sinking, who knows?

Lizard_King

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> @Eugenia: @shimmer: @Lizard_King: Well, weight is an issue if you're looking at 52" and up. In those bigger sizes, the weight is a huge issue since it means the difference between paying someone to set it up or doing it yourself. Also, having extra weight sitting in one spot in the house is not good for the foundation. I live in a concrete and steel glass high rise in NYC and even here I can see sinking in some parts of the concrete floor. I think people don't realize how damaging standing weight is overtime.

I own a 42" Panny Plasma purchased about 4 years ago. I've enjoyed it. It has a great PQ. In fact, it looks closer to a CRT than a LCD. However, If the plasma manufacturers don't do more to address the weight and power issue, I will be buying a 52"+ Sony XBR LCD in the coming year. The LCD manufacturers have step up their attack in releasing the new super thin panels that will dramatically cut down on the weight. I hope plasmas can keep up.

Noobs-R-Us

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> I did my research for a year before I bought my 5080 and I'm completely satisfied. Closest thing in the running for me was the Mitsubishi DLP, but it was just too big. I suppose if LCD is all you can afford go for it, but Plasma is worth the extra.

Blue Oyster Cultist

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> :: patiently waits for SED ::

Toshiba and Canon where are you!!!!

some_stupid_nut

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> I don't see why weight is an issue. It is a TV, not a laptop. How many of you are lugging these things around? I'm guessing most do not have their TV wall-mounted, so it's gotta just be some irrelevant way to bash Plasma, much like the overused burn-in warnings.

Honestly, LCD is better in many ways, but more expensive. I will not pay more than $1K on a TV (a projector is another issue), so for the size I wanted, when I wanted to buy, LCD was (and still is) out. I have high hopes for a Kuro LCD, though.

Lizard_King

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> @Eugenia:
The "average clueless consumer"? This high standard bull. You my friend are as clueless as most others, real fact is that there are only a few who are knowledgeable enough to make a statement like that. Keep in mind that that is true regarding most things in life.

Plasmas do burn in, have a shorter life time and consume more electricity, this is something must of us have seen. Maybe not pioneer's well developed and more expensive than average tvs, but more likely the models that sell more, the cheaper ones.

And more on those who really know, those are the ones who work for companies like Pioneer and Sony, who decide to drop the plasma tech and focus on LCD, obviously for reasons conducted through thorough research and high level decision making with really expensive consultants. But maybe you are one of those? ;)

bjortan

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> i do still feel that matsushita makers of panasonic plasma has lot to do with the decision of pioneer to do such drastic action they simply can compete with panasocni head to head in terms of sales, as for the idea that lcd is catching up with plasma yes this may be true but in the reality of production is not yet a relaity since in lcd it is more expensive to produce a single panel of lcd especially above the 50" size. Now that panasonci produces 150" from 103" who do you think would buy now sharp 108" lcd? so till now & in the forseable future plasma would still sits on the roost.

mavrick1368

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> @ CapitalC

My thoughts are: BUY ONE NOW.

@ Eugenia

Be not disheartened. Consider yourself lucky you have one.

Willy pretty much summed it up perfectly: Average consumers DO NOT CARE and they probably have higher margins on the LCDs

@ Yardameus

What are you talking about? There are plenty on non-"four-feet" TV's under $1000.

theycallmetak

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> Wow, so much to comment on that I don't know where to start.
As much as I loved plasmas, LCD technology (not to mention LED and OLED) have been nipping at the technology heel. Aside from poor viewing angles (and weight), plasma had the upper hand. However wasn't hard for LCD's to improve over time. This leads into my next point.
Another aspect to consider is manufacturing costs. Plasma, in no way, have been more cost effective than LCD technology. Lower costs of materials and assembly definitely go to the LCD market. Additionally, increasing the lumen output for LCD tvs was much easier than pushing the limits of a plasma.
So even though plasmas are the bees knees, it just can't compare to lcd development (in regards to cost as well as rate of progression).

I do agree, though, that its a real bummer if not a shame when the top plasma manufacturer breaks in and begins to market LCDs. Especially when they are re-branded.
Its just another day when we bow our heads to another great technology.

Phishy

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> @Noobs-R-Us: But plasmas ARE heavier and require more wattage to operate. That's not going away

Can someone tell me why people continue to mention the fact that plasmas weigh more than LCDs? Is this really an issue? My 42" Pioneer plasma weighs 66 lbs and a 40" Sony XBR LCD weighs 69 lbs...So much for that. What does this matter anyway? Are you lugging your TV around from room to room? How about you just buy another?

shimmer

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> I am totally in disbelief about all this - how can Pioneer develop that amazing new Kuro and NOT manufacture it? Its so painful - I was absolutely going to buy that set. They could at least make that their *last* plasma tv, seriously.

I am also in disgust with the whole HD-DVD thing and dont understand that either. I bought two players, the most expensive being $179 (my Xbox add-on), then they stop making HD-DVD, and here it is a over a year later, and all the Blu-Ray players are over - $350-$400???? Thats insane! How did they win?

How did Blu-Ray win the format war with players that cost twice as much??!! So screwed.

brundlefly76

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> I totally agree that the burn-in myth continues to perpetuate among the average consumer. The worst thing to happen to plasma producers was the use of the 1st gen panels in airports where the Delta logo was terribly burned into every panel in use. Low quality, poorly calibrated, bargain CRT rear projectors pretty much sealed the fate of the high-end 9" CRT gun models, which were much better than the class leading offerings in flat panels until recently. It must suck to be an engineer of a superior technology that gets snuffed by consumer misconception, but despite the stellar reviews of Pioneers plasma line, price point and historical performance wins again. I just hope the 60" Kuro hits the $2K mark for b-stock before change occurs.

edgarj

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> I just wish they would develop more low-mid range televisions. I don't need a 4 foot tv and I don't need to spend over 1000 dollars. Watching tv is not a "hobby" that I take pride in.

yardameus

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> @Eugenia:
LCD IS the superior tech, as far as manufacturers are concerned. the image quality is close enough to plasmas that the average consumer doesn't really care, and at the most common screen sizes, it has more sales and higher profit margins than plasma.

willyolio

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> I think I can afford $2 per month more to pay for the electricity. And besides, you can always turn them off instead of using standby in order to be kinder to the environment. This would square you up. As for heavier, I don't move the TV more than twice a year to connect a new cable. And the shipping was free from Amazon anyway.

So really, these are lame excuses for not getting the best TV technology out there for your household. If you could at least tell me that plasmas are usually more expensive than LCDs (although the high-end LCDs are as expensive), I would have accepted that.

Eugenia

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> @Eugenia: But plasmas ARE heavier and require more wattage to operate. That's not going away...

Noobs-R-Us

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> I think they've choosen poorly here.

Of all the companies Pioneer could have gone into LCD business with Sharp is one of the worst in terms of performance.

I wish they would have chosen Samsung who is consistently rated high on their LCDs. The combination of Kuro technology on top of Samsung's newest LED would be unbeatable.

I read somewhere else that Pioneer will be sharing their plasma technology with Pioneer. Now this makes more sense.

Dummie

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> @CapitalC:

I love mine. Just get one!

Dummie

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> It is all a big bummer indeed. Pioneer should not have sell out to Sharp's banding-ridden LCD screens. For now, plasmas are a better technology and Pioneer should have worked to educate the consumers that plasmas don't burn-in or have limited lifetime -- because you see, that's what the average clueless consumer thinks about plasmas.

I am not saying that LCD tech won't catch up, but for now, plasmas are a better tech, and companies should be true to themselves and offer the best tech, not the inferior one. I for one, who bought the Pioneer PDP-5010FD ***just*** 5 days ago, well, this is disheartening.

Eugenia

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> Why are they doing this...

Daddy0896

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> Well sh!t. I was planing on getting a Pioneer PDP-5080 but now I'm going to have to do s'more research.

Any thoughts?

CapitalC

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> Does this engineering collaboration mean that we'll start seeing LCDs truly worthy of the Kuro branding. with greater contrast and deeper, richer blacks (without trickery)?

Mandatory_Field

]]> <![CDATA[Pigs Fly and Pioneer Making LCDs]]> Bummer

yellow73

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