rawbdee

Angus

rndmideas

chickentamer

allstarecho

VirreVojj

Pender

danmandle

tamoko

Jordan Golson

parnico

gamecrazychris

Oh, and here's the article in question: [www.bloomberg.com]

And no, that figure doesn't mean that your money to AT&T is subsidizing your iPhone. Frankly, I'd have a hard time swallowing that, just looking at the price tag on the thing. If it were, the iPhone would be cheaper than the iPod Touch. This is Apple double-dipping, pure and simple.

HeartBurnKid

"Hacking" the phone is not about finding something like an unlocked door or one with a bad lock. At least not always. Sometimes its about finding out that Apple built one of the "load bearing walls" of the phone out of the software equivalent of bricks, which they can't change without making 90% of things on the phone not work. (Did you know you could cut a single brick out of a brick wall? Neither do most people, but its a highly effective way to get something small into a house with no one noticing. Just like in this case with the iPhone).

Software is the most complex thing ever created. It is *very* hard to make simple software that is hack proof. It is impossible to make something like an iPhone that is hackproof. It is just too complex.

Having the same education and training as many of the people who would be at work creating the iPhone, I would say they are going to be on average *less* capable of finding their holes than the cracking team will. Usually exploit teams are much better trained in all the ways things go wrong in software than whomever they are attacking. It doesn't take a very highly paid programer to make most of the components of the system, however to determine if they are foolproof requires lots of time of very very skilled people, of which, apple is not going to have the capability of getting enough of. Money is not enough of a motivator for most of those people, and many military/government outfits are competing for the same groups. (I'd say a disproportionate number of these very bright souls I've come across were only motivated by the pure "neatness" of the projects they were on).

There is a very good chance this is exactly what the dev team does all day :o). They're going to be oodles better at it than the people at apple who just think about doing it all day. And there are more of them too.

It is because the iPhone does so much, that it will always remained hacked.

--Michael

gte910h

Building that hack into the firmware is truly a brilliant approach and will make it accessibly to many more people who may have otherwise been hesitant to use any of the Jailbreak apps.

Vagabum

BTW if only 1/4 of their profits is from the hardware sales and the other 3/4 is on kickback from an 18-24 month contract, then it stands to reason that the "exclusive" deals also help the consumer cover costs. my wireless rate is still what it was before so i know IM not directly paying apple out of my contract (ATT is just taking a smaller cut) and i can honestly say that i feel the phone, with it's capabilities and all, is worth more than $400, ESPECIALLY if it were unlocked from the get-go..... (a friend has the $600+ N95 and the $300 blackJack and i thought THOSE were worth it....

izim1

As glad as I am that the iPhone Dev Team jailbroke the 2.0 software, they should have KEPT THEIR BLOODY TRAPS SHUT! Now Apple knows, I predict that two things will happen:

1) iPhone will get delayed as Apple closes any loopholes

AND

2) the "new and improved" 2.0 software will be harder to jailbreak

martini1179

mikeysnipa

newgalactic

Pixelantes Anonymous

smacbook14

Paradise

@bspence: It will work with any carrier that uses a compatible connection.

Kaiser-Machead

Manve

Manve

hyoo82

newgalactic

Thomas Palmer

Booo-yahhhhhh.

Sincerely,
Dev Team

chopstickhero

Just give up and open up the damn device for all will be forever happy with Apple. It might actually increase sale numbers....so consider it a good advice.

Screw AT&T execs

mr_oshodi

ntrgc89

I think the new iPhone is going to look and function exactly like the current one, except it will have a faster connection, possibly GPS, and maybe a higher megapixel camera (no doubt higher capacity as well), but none of those are really "revolutionary" ;-)

ntrgc89

Either way, this is good news for people who don't care about that.

FatalFlaw

HeartBurnKid

I do like my risks... so if you are using the hacks ladies and germs, please donate or these people might not be around to help out!

Grifter

banks

workingonyourinvoice

AlphaTeam

Anyway this is excellent news. I finally have a reason to upgrade from 1.1.1.

jopari

The Great Aussie Evil

Jesus Diaz

Jesus Diaz

workingonyourinvoice

@daath: "I think you misunderstood what a toolchain is - It's not the previous development tool, it's the tools used to create a product ;)"
.................................................

errrrrrr? isnt that the same thing? or was the "previous development tool" NOT a tool to create a product?....

izim1

drbles

RoCKSTaH53

They get to open up the phone to official apps for those of us who are fine with a regular iPhone and AT&T and they made it easier, while still honoring their contract, for developers to open this thing up and unlock it.

Can we stop bashing Apple for not offering unlocked phones now?

RoCKSTaH53

daath

I think s017jrs point is EVERYONE ELSE BRAINPOWER > ANY COMPANY BRAINPOWER.

That is how hacking works. There's always someone somewhere capable of doing what "needs" to be done.

You, as a company, can't compete with everyone else.., it doesn't matter how talented your team is.

And besides that, its harder to dig for a treasure (fix) without a map (sourcecode).

TallDudeFromBrazil

Northwood

TallDudeFromBrazil

davere

awperk

sorensilk

@s017jrs: c'mon kid. You really believe an in-house team of rich and professional programmers can't find what a group of renegade hackers can? You really believe they're running around in Cupertino with s.jobs sitting around reading hakint0sh.org waiting for the dev teams to hack his precious phone and show him what's wrong?

Really?
technically, its impossible for apple to patch your phone. You have people still using 1.0.2 firmware. Apple can't do shit about it. Apple didnt "brick" anyone's phones. They just release 1.1 and waited for morons to do it themselves, for no reason. It'll be that same with 1.2. They'll release 1.2.1 and wait for people to upgrade for no reason. And people WILL do it. Why? Who knows........

izim1

discounteggroll

Camperton

dagamer34

sumocat

James

For three months developers develop apps. Then they are offered the opportunity to sell apps on iTunes. Making iTunes the only way to get them on the public 1.2.1 version?

CEOself

THAT I gotta see..

-W

Turbo Driver

blachole

bspence

RokMartian

Biggy

Joseph

RainyDayInterns

I don't need a $500 paper weight after all, and I'm not buying out of my TMo contract. I hate TMo, but I'm not about to give them $400 to buy out my contract. Eff them that's why.

JacksSenseOfRejection

GeeCee

blachole

s017jrs

I had to pinch myself to make sure I wasn't dreaming.

Carbonfly

Northwood

killerstache