Sorry thought about it today and realized I was thinking of Camino.

MacBandit

What do you mean Safari has Flash, just not Safari on the iPhone.

MacBandit

Sorry I haven't used Opera in a year because it would fail the Acid test. If they have become more compliant since then then good for them.

MacBandit

krom

krom

rimplestultskin

SneakerFiend

SecretAZNMan

Web fonts are awesome. What they allow designers and developers to do are specify server-side font files for their web designs; last I checked, either OpenType or TrueType. Otherwise, we're tied to the lowest common denominator for fonts (ie, like what every platform is guaranteed to have locally, like Arial, Verdana, whatever...).

whyisjasontaken

ParJoe

Kaiser-Machead's Chips Ahoy!

bjarkebech

R2B2

irfan

Sounds like a personal problem..

metalhaze

Jim Reilly

In a nutshell, it's coming to mobilesafari, but probably not until the June 2.0 release (and minus the video and audio stuff).

unfletch

unfletch

Now THAT'S cutting edge.

//end snark

lianna_g

Kaiser-Machead's Chips Ahoy!

snitch29

magusat999

MrBlahBlah

Paradise

Fuxion

Fuxion

Wow you sure showed him.

strider_mt2k

How can Apple claim it is the fastest when it even starts slower (2 full seconds slower) than all the other browsers? Isn't that some sort of false advertising?

bdunnam

adaorardor

I'm pretty sure safari on the iPhone accounts for the largest web browser footprint for mobile devices, so this news does make quite a big difference, even if you're a blind inbred chimp who actually likes using internet explorer.

"But why does it make a difference if I hate the iPhone with a bloody vengeance and would never buy one ever???" Well, it's simple. With the popularity of the iPhone, these "good" standards will be followed by other software developers for browsers on both desktops and mobile devices because you'll get people saying "ah! firefox is shit! This page works on my iPhone but doesn't on firefox!" Think of it in the same way that Microsoft squandered their position with IE. Microsoft basically had the web in their greasy hands, so they decided to say "f**k you" to the W3C standards and hobble together a stinking piece of crap that'll show pages which will only work properly if you're running their other hobbled together piece of crap (windows that is) by using activex controls etc. This has not only gained them much hatred from web developers, but it has also allowed other browsers, which aren't bundled with OS's, like firefox, to gain some ground by not being buggy and following the standards.

I'm going to stop my ranting now as I could talk way too long about the crapness of internet explorer, but I have better things to do, like cutting my toe nails.

Cheerio

stephenthomas0

Holy cow this is fast!!! Pages just instantly appear. I was just browsing with Safari 3 for an hour right before installing this update and I can tell there is a bit of a difference.

Also wanted to point out they fixed a glitch with the favorites bookmark bar. In the past if you had too many bookmarks to fit on the size of your browser window, an arrow leading to an expandable list of bookmarks would appear on the right. Problem is, this arrow would not appear until you grabbed the window and slightly resized it. And even after making it appear, if you clicked on the arrow, it would automatically choose the first bookmark in the expandable window. VERY ANNOYING!! BUT THEY FIXED IT!! SO YAY!

Text rendering and text in alert boxes has seemed to have been updated and improved a bit. It definitely looks different.

Checked the system resources. Running at about 80,212K with one page open. Seems ok..

Also wanted to mention that highlighting with the mouse has been fixed and is more responsive.

In the past if you went to click your mouse to drag and highlight text, it would not start highlighting until you had passed almost an entire word.

Now when you click and drag to highlight, it works right away!

Another new small update seems that if you click in the address bar it's first action is to automatically highlight the entire address bar. (which is nice) Then if you click once again, it deselects all. Then if you double click from there you can choose specific words.

Overall very happy with this update.

metalhaze

Regarding plugins, yes, Safari has them. Check out [pimpmysafari.com] for one example. Does it have as many as Firefox? No.

And if you're on the Mac, you can use AppleScript to do all kinds of customizations. [pimpmysafari.com] and AppleScript is pretty easy to write yourself.

Do I think this browser will be better than Firefox? Better here, worse there. It'll be a mixed bag. I tend to prefer Safari on my Mac at home but Firefox at work.

bronskrat

"CSS animation"

including the quotes!

and all sorts of info comes up_

uberfu

Safari is my main browser, in conjunction with Safari Adblock it's unstoppable.

@Canadian Impostor: Why not put you gmail account into Apple Mail? Duh.

rfaulder

roll your cursor over the 2 doors at the top of the page:
[www.cssplay.co.uk]

All these do is use a series of CSS based rollovers to animate_ Almost like the old style animated GIFs - except manually_

Except the funny thing is that this works in Safari 3.0.4_ So I'm not sure what the deal is with the specific CSS Animation either_ Maybe just better ingetration/support_

I'll have to go read up on the CSS animation some more_

uberfu

twid

And that is usually why it makes Sites look bad and breaks functionality - because usually the web designer doesn't adhere to coding standards and Opera tends to be too strict_ this last version [what ever is currently available has loosened up a bit [it stills adhere's to the standards] but the developers have realized that coders don't follow the standards as mucha s the Opera crew would like them to_

uberfu

ian01nl

sisedi

How difficult is that?

digidandy

fwd-bwd

mikegriffin

kevininstereo

Captain Angry

katnoodle

Sleeper_Service

I see that has already been halfway explained a couple times, but why the hell not throw my hat in the ring too

Glad that people are starting to give a shit about web standards. I always tested my pages in safari/mac first when I was doing web design-- if it's broken in Safari, you've probably coded something wrong. I always tested in ie7/win last, because it behaved like a brat and always required special treatment.

med

Just re-tested after restarting and Safari was at about 100MB and Firefox was at 85MB

lilkeith7

Canadian Impostor

Johnny Chimpo

I can see how you might say Firefox FTW but Opera? Opera sucks horribly. It may be fast but is horribly non standards compliant.

MacBandit

I'm sure that it's not that it actually requires built in firewire but if it's a G3 Mac then built in firewire designates a specific group of G3s that were produced later than ones without.

Apple has in the past designated G3 processor Macs with firewire for versions of OS X.

MacBandit

In Safari it uses between 4-6%. Impressive.

Also, javascript is bloody fast (our publishing system at work is CONSIDERABLY faster).

Not sure if page load is "world's fastest", though, at least not categorically so.

How about some speed tests, diaz? Some often used but big sites? Cnn.com?

digidandy

After playing around with Firefox 2 and Safari on Vista i opened 5 tabs in each then closed them then opened them again and Firefox was taking up 120MB and Safari was taking up 265MB. However Safari was loading things much faster then Firefox was.

lilkeith7

Maksimir

Safari being the fastest browser on the Mac and PC - they have been saying this from the beginning and it all depends on what you are doing_

@homerjay: @smith186: Seeing as how the W3C has released the specs fro the next versions of Internet coding all standards compliant browsers will be migrating this direction_ So Smith186 No not unless someone is specifically targeting Safari does this mean it won't be used_ HTML is a very limited architecture that leans on other technologies like CSS and JavaScript for more verstility and functionality_ HTML 5 adds more functionality and streamlined coding into the mix to better integrate wth these other technologies_

And HomerJay what this means in real life is that if a web designer wants to use the fonts "Lemonade" or "Marker Felt" or "Stencil" or "CopperPlate" as the font on their website - they can_ And it will be live text instead of having to convert this to an image first_

uberfu

jwrose

Juliekins

1. Worth the effort installing
2. Any better than Firefox 2.0 or 3 beta
3. Easier on memory than FireFox or Opera using tabs

legacye

And yeah, the only G3 computers with firewire were the faster ones, so they will run Safari 3.1, the older ones will not (without haxx). 10.2 (iirc) was the same way.

nachobel

Late_Night

CntryDoe

lpranal

Not that I don't loves me some Firefox, but I'm not married to it or anything. ;)

strider_mt2k

2) apple knows the spec off all macs with firewire

speakerwizard

smith186

bitfactory

1) the beta was totally crappy. I just downloaded 3.1 for windows and while i have no idea if its THE BEST EVAH it feels good, is fast and doest crash

2)cause all Macs have it and it just looks good on the spec list ? no idea.

3)yups same here.

Redwraithvienna

2) Why would built-in firewire be a req on a Mac?

3) Bravo on some of the new features.

Geisrud

dimadelux

homerjay