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Shuft — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:18:28 EDT

@shaniac: Sprint's open stance doesn't really mean anything. CDMA phones aren't really locked to begin with and they still won't activate a non-sprint-branded compatible CDMA phone on their network.

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Sqube — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:08:36 EDT

@olternaut: If they decide to piggyback off of Verizon's network, they could still do it.

Quite frankly, I don't know why anyone seriously thought they were going to engage in building something that extravagant anyway. As long as they have access to what other people are using, why go through all the trouble? I mean, everything Google has is beta; unfortunately for them, people won't accept beta when they have to start paying.

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olternaut — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:16:29 EDT

So the utopian google nationwide network dream is over then huh. :(

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TravvyTrav — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:05:22 EDT

I dont see what the big deal is. No contract/ETF activations and open networks to other GSM phones have been Cingular/ at&t's policy for quite a while now.

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ViperBorg — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:41:30 EDT

@EGBTMagus: And sorry, but in my opinion, GPS alone is not worth giving up everything else, not to mention paying more to do so.

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EGBTMagus — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:34:29 EDT

I think the open application is in response to how bad verizon gimps their phones. I have a V9 and my friend has the V9 from verizon and he can't do anything with it. No file transfers or even customer ringtones. Only thing he has better is that his has GPS built in (due to verizons network).

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Ron-Mexico — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:34:10 EDT

@tubby17 Verizon's unlimited data service is 45/month, not 60. Too much either way though.

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TechnoElf — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:53:33 EDT

@ViperBorg: Yeah, all things equal no doubt. Prices for wireless are racing to the bottom though. So all will be well soon enough.

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madmike1029 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:35:00 EDT

@tubby17: The data plan may be only $20 a month, however the iPhone through AT&T is not a 3G device and therefor shouldn't be compared to the $60 data plan through verizon which is EVDO/3G speed if not faster than the comparible 3G AT&T offers on such device that support it.

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nfs079 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:05:04 EDT

Clarification please.. Even if someone purchases an Iphone to be used with Verizon, will it still function completely? When there is an update, would the unlocked Iphone need to be reset again? I agree that the prices offered by At&T are better then the Verizon "information/data" plan.

With the contract Apple and AT&T have, I do not see the potential until the contract is up. That is why Verizon came out with the Verizon "Iphone" or Venus from LG. I have been thinking about leaving Verizon as my contract is up soon. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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ViperBorg — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:51:24 EDT

@tubby17: Agreed.

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ViperBorg — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:50:57 EDT

@TechnoElf: Right. I agree, but perhaps I wasn't very clear. What I meant was if it works everywhere you need it to, and the speed is the same (or not so much of a difference that it would matter) then I'll kick over to the less expensive one.

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axiomatic — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:21:24 EDT

Deploy FIoS to more cities. That is all.

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tubby17 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:11:36 EDT

@ViperBorg: Yup. I still maintain that perhaps the most revolutionary thing Jobs did with respect to the iphone was to convince AT&T to offer the data service for only an extra $20 a month. That's compared to Verizon's VCast faux-internet for $15/month or the real data plan for $60/month. I just don't think the iphone would have sold as well (despite it's technological bells and whistles) if it required a service plan of over $100/month for voice and data.

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TechnoElf — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:05:57 EDT

@combat chuck: Wireless USB

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TechnoElf — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:05:30 EDT

@ViperBorg: Unless service A has horrible service within my house and the usual places that I have my phone. Then there really isn't a choice.

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combat chuck — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:59:32 EDT

You gotta love the retail activation flowchart. Exactly how does the filing cabinet communicate with your laptop?

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ViperBorg — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:24:19 EDT

@awesomerobot: It would be nice if they would stay outside. I don't like showering with an audience.
@tubby17: Exactly. If service A is comparable to service B, but service A costs less, guess where I'm going? That's right! Service A!

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SneakerFiend — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:07:21 EDT

@EGBTMagus: Be happy you got something. I'd rather get happy over having a better phone than verizon's restricted line up.
And that means that all you verizon users can get the Sprint Mogul instead of having to wait for the verizon version.
Now what everyone isnt looking at is that verizon isnt going to give you insurance on your new phone and you're not going to get a mail in rebate.
I know how everyone is so cheap when it comes to buying high end phones so i suggest that you should really take a look at what you're buying before jumping into it without knowing whats gonna happen.

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jsx99 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:55:07 EDT

MVNOs were subject to the same strict requirements that all retail devices were subject to. This appears much different.

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tubby17 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:53:05 EDT

@ViperBorg: Agreed. All this great openness and I still need to shell out a minimum of $100/month to get unlimited data?

The future of wireless is not in who can put out the coolest, most open phone but who can offer the most competitive pricing plan.

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shaniac — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:52:09 EDT

So will they unlock devices they sell to work on other CDMA networks? Since Sprint will unlock your phone, so you can take it to Verizon...will they unlock a Verizon phone to be ported to Sprint. Sprint has taken the open to all CDMA devices stance but other carriers are not unlocking phones so customers could even try.

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galbertsprint — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:50:58 EDT

@jeppingeek & @Matt B - see under Activation for You: if Verizon does not have the serial number listed as approved then you do not get access. Another way to keep devices they do not want on the network off it. So a Sprint or alltel may not necessarily move to Verizon.

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awesomerobot — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:48:41 EDT

!ViperBorg: well, that's the price you pay for having all of those people following you around.

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shaniac — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:48:36 EDT

So this is just an MVNO for other devices? Say it how they will this is not about being "open", this is not about moving to a utility model...it is just another MVNO model. It may work very well for them, but call it what it is.

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ViperBorg — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:47:16 EDT

I especially like the "Proprietary and Confidential information of Verizon Wireless" tag on the bottom of the slides.

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TechnoElf — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:47:01 EDT

@ViperBorg: It'll be ok there is a price war brewing soon, with Sprint trying to undercut everyone else. It should work out well.

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ViperBorg — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:39:46 EDT

@xxdesmus: I wouldn't be too happy. The prices of their service is still the highest in the industry.

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xxdesmus — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:25:39 EDT

finally Verizon doing something right...thank god.

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utube2007 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:19:55 EDT

@surfer88: no Verizon CDMA mostly
At&T and Iphone are GSM

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TechnoElf — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:18:15 EDT

Apple would have to put in a CDMA radio in the iPhone to make it work on Verizon. However, AT&T has a exclusive contract with Apple for like 5 years I think so there won''t be a CDMA iPhone for awhile.

CDMA has some good advantages over GSM besides the sim card thing. With open access, that basicly gives CDMA phones a "sim card" way of activating-ish.

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lladnar — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:15:08 EDT

so does this mean all Apple needs to do is put a different radio into the iPhone and it will work on verizons network? Please? I don't want to wait a year and a half or pay the early termination fee.

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surfer88 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:12:51 EDT

So would, say, an iPhone, work with the Verizon network now?

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nadafinger — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:10:44 EDT

Does this mean they will go back and enable gps on my Blackberry 8830 that they disabled because of "security reasons" (read that so they could sell VZNav)

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feckineejit — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:08:24 EDT

CDMA blows compared to GSM, I want a sim card dammit!

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drewheyman — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:56:45 EDT

@EGBTMagus: that may be true, but i'm sure they are hoping that more devices will be built to work with their CDMA network since it is becoming more open. before, companies wouldn't build devices (i suppose they are suggesting) because the official official Verizon certification process was too complex or expensive.

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EGBTMagus — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:41:14 EDT

So let me get this straight. You now can use any device with any software on it aslong a it supports their network. Isn't that basically what at&t does?

As long as your phone is unlocked you can activate service with at&t without a contract since you aren't purchasing a device and at&t never restricted applications on the device (I have tons of "unoffical" apps on my tilt).

Unless they go GSM, this still is pretty restrictive to the consumer since there really aren't as many CDMA devices made as their are GSM.

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utube2007 — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:40:33 EDT

Did they say anything about LTE

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matt buchanan — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:37:31 EDT

Yes.

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jeepingeek — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:33:33 EDT

So does this mean I would finally be able to use phones from other CDMA providers (ie altell or sprint) as a Verizon customer?

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