<![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007 - Gizmodo Comments]]> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/base/img/thumbs140x140/gizmodo.com.png <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007 - Gizmodo Comments]]> http://gizmodo.com Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:05:40 EDT Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:05:40 EDT http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007 <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4949758 @ajcali08: Most PC overclockers use nvidia chipsets for the motherboard as well as the video card GPU. I would expect this statistic because if you overclock too far the driver will crash.

A more interesting statistic would be:

Out of the 28.8% of nvidia caused crashes, how many of the users were attempting an overclock of their GPU at the time of the crash?

If I were to fathom a guess at my own stats regarding this, I would say that I caused the driver crash myself (with a failed OC) about 80% of the time.

axiomatic

]]> 4:373076:c4949758 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:05:40 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c5428121 Comment on NVIDIA One thing that most people commenting on this don't understand is that it was Microsoft who decided to put in a vastly more complex driver structure for Vista. The drivers for Vista need to be able to support HDCP - copy protection for high def content like Blu ray or HD-DVD - with revocable encryption keys. This is incredibly complex - requiring, for example, that content be encrypted as it travels over the system bus so it can't be sniffed and ripped. Why did Microsoft put the driver manufacturers through this excruciating pain? Because they need to pander to the Movie studios. Microsoft's goal is domination of the living room and specifically, IPTV. For that, they need content. And to get the content they have to cozy up to the studios. Of course DVD John has already cracked the copy protection on Blu-ray (and the now defunct hd-dvd) so this was all a terrible waste of time that cost nVidia, ATI and Intel a lot of money, and caused the consumers no end of problems.

AlmaGnaeus

]]> 4:373076:c5428121 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:16:14 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4929756 I don't think that flies, I've had a ton of crashed caused by the Realtek onboard sound card, which locks the system down completely with no chance to send in a report. I replaced it with a real Soundblaster and it fixed the problem. There's a lot more crashes that they never get when your system freezes so this isn't by any means an accurate picture of all the problems going on. It's just the ones who's systems stay stable long enough to be able to send the crash report, and even then, many people hit "don't send".

Hello_Newman

]]> 4:373076:c4929756 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:52:33 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4917255 @emag: Ok, I concede you have some strong points. The drivers were rushed to market and at first ATI had its share of bad drivers as well. My point is that nvidia and MS are contentious and that contributes to the problem.

As for MS forcing companies to update their drivers, if people saying M$ and bitching then they should of because they'll catch the same flack no matter what they do. I've heard plenty of people argue that M$ is actually doing just that but with more passive strategies.

allthosemoments

]]> 4:373076:c4917255 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:52:24 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4915019 I'm curious how the crashes in XP break down? I'm willing to bet the % of nvidia or micorsoft bugs really don't change much, leaving us to conclude that vista is still a pile of crap.

fossilu

]]> 4:373076:c4915019 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:30:35 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4914950 Something to note, some of the crashes cause by nvidia's drivers can be the fault of something else. For example my gamming rig kept crashing the nvidia driver and the root cause was a bad stick of ram. So the number might be skewed a bit high.

innobilis

]]> 4:373076:c4914950 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:27:35 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4912968 @KingSnorky: Yea because everybody tells the truth to judges.

dman0586

]]> 4:373076:c4912968 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:47:40 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4912417 Waiting for Nvidia's drivers to come out for a few months after Vista's release was painful!

I do wonder how many of these crashes were user induced though. ...ya know, installing incompatible programs and overclocking crashes.

PynkFloydd

]]> 4:373076:c4912417 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:56:13 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4911933 The only BSODs I've ever had in Vista, were due to nVidia's shit-tastic nForce SATA drivers. Once I changed to the generic MS ones, haven't had a BSDOD since.

Giolon

]]> 4:373076:c4911933 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:20:44 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4910953 Remember guys, nVidia doesn't just do graphics cards. There's also drivers for your nForce motherboard's SATA, ethernet, et cetera.
I found out last night that SP1 can install on my machine if I turn off my nVidia onboard SATA, for example. I'm hoping that can be fixed pretty quickly.

Heavybell

]]> 4:373076:c4910953 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:12:01 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4910832 @werk: Well at the same time you say that I've installed Vista Ultimate on 4 computers using all Nvidia graphic cards (7800gt, 8800gt SLI, 8800gt solo, 8800gtx) and I maybe have received one blue screen crash the 1+ year I've been running them everyday... Of course the graphic cards I installed were very new ones so I can't account for those geforce 4400 guys out there who might be crashing a lot *shrug*

fusiongt

]]> 4:373076:c4910832 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:53:46 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4910557 As I write this I am looking at lines across my screen thanks to latest 7900gs drivers. Have solved all other problems with Vista (not many) MS support has been very good on this. Have tried to contact nVidia (email comment is only option allowed by them) NO RESPONSE AT ALL!!! Card worked well with xp so it seems just the vista drivers suck.

SpaceAlien

]]> 4:373076:c4910557 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:17:39 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4910363 @N@tedog: Might want to check nVidia's website soon then. I was having major problems with my nVidia drivers, my Creative drivers (x-fi hated vista) with Vista 64, but ever since I updated with nVidia and went up to SP1 with Vista, as well as got the brand new Creative drivers its been running pretty damn well.

SomeoneUKno

]]> 4:373076:c4910363 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:54:31 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4909998 I'd have to disagree with this a bit. Everyone I know that's had nothing but problems with Vista have all had ATI cards, and myself and others that have had no issues with Vista at all have nVidia cards.

FrancesTheMute

]]> 4:373076:c4909998 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:10:22 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4909940 @weatherman: Nvidia was responsible for fully 1/3 of all XP crashes pre-SP2 as well (remember in the old days? When people were deriding XP as being a buggy piece of crap as well? Like the're doing now with Vista with even less evidence?). And as Nutbastard has pointed out, Nvidia drivers can be buggy pieces of crap on Linux as well.

The big problem was that Vista was so long in development (6 years plus -- long enough for Apple to steal a few features and claim that it was the other way around once Vista finally hit), that OEMs started to figure that it was never going to come out; and then ended up rushing drivers into the marketplace at the last minute. This is also why there was such a paucity of drivers for devices under Vista at the beginning. If you look back far enough, Ati drivers had their days of being buggy pieces of crap as well. The problem is that drivers run at a low enough level to cause serious stability issues, but they're just not sexy enough for any of the manufacturers to treat them with the seriousness that they really deserve -- after all, they're not making ANY money off the drivers, it's a cost centre, and they've already sold you the hardware....

Mandatory_Field

]]> 4:373076:c4909940 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:03:31 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4909421 1/3rd sounds so harsh. It's really more like 2/7ths. Sounds better, doesn't it?

FWIW, I've been running an 8600gts on my Vista 64 setup with no problems.

kineticarl

]]> 4:373076:c4909421 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:09:07 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4909278 @dantaylor08: Upon release, XP was much, much worse when it came to drivers, performance and backwards compatibility. Of course, the NT line before XP had it worst of all.

I suppose that without tech blogs all around back then, people are more likely to forget what happened seven years ago.

@allthosemoments: Microsoft clearly disclosed the driver model to the public years before Vista was released and offered free testing and help to hardware companies for driver-related work. But Nvidia (and ATI, etc.) didn't bother to work on the drivers until just before release. Why would they care, after all?

Microsoft could have forced companies to update their drivers, but then everyone would be screaming bloody murder over anti-trust, abuse of monopoly power, and how EV1L M$ was.

emag

]]> 4:373076:c4909278 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:56:35 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4909182 Actually, I've been running Vista Prem. for almost a year and have not had one single crash with my NV8600. I've even played around with different drivers to run BioShock faster and havn't had a single crash. I also dual-boot Ubuntu and have had 0 problems with desktop effects and the desktop cube.

I think you're seeing more crashes due to NVidia cards because more people have them than ATI. I've owned half a dozen high end ATI cards over the last 10 years, and each one of them was a driver nightmare. I finally gave up and went strictly NVidia a couple of years ago and have been happy ever since.

NVidia does have some driver issues.. especially with other OS's besides Windows, but we're talking about an operating system (Vista) that has enhanced itself graphically. There are definately going to be more problems with video cards. I certainly am not going to blame NVidia for the issues.. I think we should be looking very closely at DX10 as the culprit.

Spliner1969

]]> 4:373076:c4909182 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:49:05 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4909098 "which was still pretty bad, just as MS intended." so now microsoft WANTED vista to suck!? wow things are getting interesting. btw in case you don't remember when xp came out, it sucked just about as bad as vista does (albiet for different reasons - I agree that drm is gay).

dantaylor08

]]> 4:373076:c4909098 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:42:08 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4909056 This doesn't really remove fault from MS because everyone knows they are not on good terms with Nvidia and didn't provide information for them to make their drivers for Vista the way they did for others. Nvidia did the best with what they had, which was still pretty bad, just as MS intended.

allthosemoments

]]> 4:373076:c4909056 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:39:17 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4908921 I had a few crashes with Vista with early releases of ATI drivers, but since, very solid. Have not had a crash on XP in a couple of years. However, I had some issues with a VIA USB controller (you get what you pay for).

My guess these numbers are pretty accurate. A lot of people do not upgrade drivers, and if you installed Vista a year + ago and are using the drivers you installed with your initial installation you are probably going to suffer.

People usually don't buy the first year of a car model for the same reasons. By the second year, all the suppliers are on the same page, and production glitches are fixed.

geschmidtt

]]> 4:373076:c4908921 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:30:24 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4908753 Wonder how many of the nVidia users who crashed on Vista were overclocking their vid cards?

I know I'm guilty for some of those nVidia/Vista crashes on my overclocked 8800GTX!

jcossin

]]> 4:373076:c4908753 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:20:01 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4908715 @KingSnorky: now that is a name.

King Snorky FTW!

flyboy

]]> 4:373076:c4908715 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:18:04 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4908527 NVIDIA also makes chipsets, which control other system functions besides video.

Hanke

]]> 4:373076:c4908527 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:09:03 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4908379 Well pointing fingers isn't going to solve anything...

ripfire4

]]> 4:373076:c4908379 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:00:53 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4908364 i was in awe when i BSOD'd the 1st time on vista. i took a picture of it.
i have gotten many crashes from audio driver conflicts (unplug headset to use speakers... forces reboot).


tegronin

]]> 4:373076:c4908364 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:00:09 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4908343 @dman0586: Keep in mind this isn't some presentation they're giving to the public, or some press release they're sending out to magazines. It's data from internal emails that they only handed over because a judge ordered them to.

Frankly, I'm guessing that's some of the most accurate data you'll ever get from a public company.

KingSnorky

]]> 4:373076:c4908343 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:59:01 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4908222 Main reason I switched to an ati card was the horrible vista driver support from nvidia (they didn't even write 64-bit drivers for my board). Now if only I could pop out the chipset....

tonyn84

]]> 4:373076:c4908222 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:53:32 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4908186 Wonder if there are thousands or millions of crashes caused by network cards that don't get reported since they're unable to connect to the Internet.

rrife

]]> 4:373076:c4908186 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:52:13 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4908068 this is reassuring. i built a desktop for my gf last month and she has been complaining about random crashes. i was afraid i was the faulty party, but if i can just blame nvidia...

Angus

]]> 4:373076:c4908068 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:47:55 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907996 i run vista under parallels on my macbook pro that has an ati card. vista has yet to crash. we are running it on a crappy little dell latitude x300 that has an intel card. it has never crashed yet. the only machines in my office that have had problems with vista crashing are a couple of dell optiplex gx280s with nvidia cards. from personal experiences i can believe the data.

firesign

]]> 4:373076:c4907996 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:45:28 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907970 @Spoondizzle: there maybe even problems with the memory handling - as the vid card is faster than what its plugged into big time.

Does NVidia have these issues on OSX, assuming they're not on fire?

flyboy

]]> 4:373076:c4907970 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:44:09 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907792 As several people have already pointed out, the numbers by themselves are rather meaningless since non-crashes aren't reported. You at least need an indication of the % of Vista machines using nVidia drivers in the first place.
Nevertheless, I would hope that nVidia are embarrassed by this.

wjousts

]]> 4:373076:c4907792 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:38:18 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907750 @Brad: funny, that's the same reason i went with nvidia last time around. i think both companies see the major $$ in releasing new hardware and sacrifice quality of current products as a result.

Johnny Chimpo

]]> 4:373076:c4907750 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:37:07 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907748 But why do the numbers add up to 100.3%?

Ion42

]]> 4:373076:c4907748 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:37:05 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907669 @weatherman:

I'd say you can also argue the opposite. Microsoft doesn't make the hardware and they can't know ahead of time what nVidia is going to do with their hardware. That's kind of the point of having a driver model in the first place. And it's not like Microsoft is some little-know software company making some OS that barely anybody uses - they are the largest OS maker in the world! So you'd think nVidia would put more effort into making sure their drivers work with the model exposed by Windows.

wjousts

]]> 4:373076:c4907669 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:34:45 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907620 NVIDIA drivers are responsible for near 100% of at least weekly, but sometimes more so, crashes of my Vista desktop. My slightly newer Vista laptop hasn't crashed a single time.

Spoondizzle

]]> 4:373076:c4907620 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:33:15 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907578 Webcam gives a lot of problems too... so far about 90% of my blue screens were caused by the webcam.
(90% because its almost always the cause)

The rest of my problems have to do with the system just freezing completely, where it dies in a way that I won't have any logs of what caused it. All you have to do is scroll down and every once in a while things just stop completely. Previously it was archaic Intel Matrix Storage drivers, data loading > overload drive access while scrolling > freeze. Now it occurs slightly less frequently but still freezes. I like the blame on Nvidia... I haven't seen a single GOOD video card update for this laptop since I got it at the beginning of the year.

awdark

]]> 4:373076:c4907578 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:32:18 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907535 @WB: isn't it both.

the graphics card flies into a special mode for a game and then back again for the Vista GUI. This is way more than in the past...

the games are busier, the GUI is heavier, the card is faster, etc. who is really at fault!?

flyboy

]]> 4:373076:c4907535 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:30:46 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907444 I've been using a Radeon x700(old) for 3 months on Vista with one of the first "Dual Core" P4s. Never crashed and MediaCenter recording or playing constantly.

dfellars

]]> 4:373076:c4907444 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:27:45 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907206 Well THAT explains a whole lot! I've got a 7300LE on my Vista machine at the office and I knicknamed it Sir Crashalot. I should have just stuck with the built in intel graphics adapter!

Pedro S

]]> 4:373076:c4907206 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:21:01 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907170 Not that this matters to me any way because I refuse to buy Vista.

(crossing fingers)

Only two more years until Windows 7.

RayCeeYa

]]> 4:373076:c4907170 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:19:41 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907158 @dman0586: Funny I was thinking the same thing.

TheCyberBob

]]> 4:373076:c4907158 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:19:21 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907135 Wait. It seems to me that whether or not it's the drivers, it's Microsoft's fault. They make the OS and they're the ones who release whatever portion of the code that the people who write the drivers interact with. And it's not like NVIDIA is some little-known third party hardware mfr making some random piece of equipment that barely anyone uses - it's one of two main video card makers! Maybe I'm wrong, but I blame this all on Microsoft not being open enough with their OS so that folks can write good drivers.

weatherman

]]> 4:373076:c4907135 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:18:48 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907083 This article is entirely pointless.

For a start, the sarky comment about the 17% of 'unknown' crashes automatically being MS's fault was unnecessary.

Then all the anti-nVidia comments are without merit either.
We have no idea what proportion of the systems reporting the crashes are using nVidia cards and what proportion of them are using ATi cards, so we have no way of interpreting whether either manufacturers number of crashes are in any way disproportionate to their market share - for example, if it were to turn out that 10 times as many people are using nVidia cards over ATi cards, then ATi's 9.3% becomes proportionally a much worse statistic.

Step666

]]> 4:373076:c4907083 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:16:48 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907082 I get the feeling that it's not the buggy nature of the video card or the buggy nature of the OS (although they certainly contribute) but the third x factor that isn't shown in that graph.

But what's the market share comparison between Nvidia, ATI and the other video card manufacturers. Also what about gaming companies releasing video games to the market without proper testing and debugging?

I hold all the software companies to blame, including Microsoft. They're so hung up on making as much money as possible that they aren't finishing the job.

RayCeeYa

]]> 4:373076:c4907082 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:16:40 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907074 @dman0586: I tend to agree, though if I was MS and i was going to fudge some numbers, Might have gone with lower values on the "Microsoft" and "Unknown" slices.

bpatten

]]> 4:373076:c4907074 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:16:26 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907047 And wow. My world has been rocked, to a very small degree. I've always stuck with nvidia because I always believed that, historically, their drivers were much more stable than ATI's Catalyst set. While I have had no issues with my 8600 as of yet, I might consider an ATI card (my very first) for my next build. Hell, I might even get an AMD processor.

JustThisGuy

]]> 4:373076:c4907047 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:15:53 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4907028 How often did these Nvidia and ATI crashes involve games vs. general office usage? I'd like to see that put into context.

WB

]]> 4:373076:c4907028 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:15:27 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906914 @dman0586:

Yes.

Sleeper_Service

]]> 4:373076:c4906914 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:12:08 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906824 This data comes from Microsoft... umm am I the only one who is second guessing the accuracy of this?

dman0586

]]> 4:373076:c4906824 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:09:44 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906812 I bought Vista Ult 64 the week it was released, installed SP1 without a hiccup when it was 'accidentally' released on Windows Update a month early and have had nary a hiccup EXCEPT for my nVidia driver. UIt must crash at least 5 times a week while in-game. I've even noted before on Giz that the only crashes I've had were from nVidia drivers. Finally somebody pointed the finger. FIX THIS AND GET THAT ISH DIGITALLY SIGNED ALREADY!!! YES I'M SHOUTING AT YOU nVIDIA!!! EXCLAMATION POINTS TO THE MAX!!!!

N@tedog

]]> 4:373076:c4906812 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:09:32 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906802 Is it really nvidia's problem? Or, do the statistics show these results because the majority of people use nvidia for their GPU? I believe it is as well as nvidia users using more demanding programs/games(crysis)that are basically the major reason for new drivers in the first place. Intel and ati have less crashes because, less ppl use ati for gpus that use vista as well, Intel mainly makes CPUs(so they dont have worry about drivers as much) and intel on-board video, so those users arnt expected to playing much Crysis.

ajcali08

]]> 4:373076:c4906802 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:09:21 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906720 I can attest to that. The graphic drivers cause it to crash when exiting Civ IV a lot.

Sleeper_Service

]]> 4:373076:c4906720 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:07:12 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906703 I had so many issues with Nvidia, that I went out and bought an ATI card, haven't had an issue since.

Brad

]]> 4:373076:c4906703 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:06:35 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c5426926 Comment on NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007 When I have to boot Vista, the NVidia drivers for my iMac always *always* crashes.

HardyMabawza

]]> 4:373076:c5426926 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:04:08 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906568 what about the Hercules graphics cards out there?

flyboy

]]> 4:373076:c4906568 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:02:17 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906497 @Joseph: REC, as in TRAIN REC. lol. What a tool.

duckballs

]]> 4:373076:c4906497 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:00:09 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906450 I've been running Vista for almost 6 months and the ONLY crash I've experienced occurred when I DLed SP1.

Claystil

]]> 4:373076:c4906450 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:59:08 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906343 Vista is awesome

+ Watch video

Joseph

]]> 4:373076:c4906343 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:56:07 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906307 All video manufacturers (ATI,Nvidia, Intel...are there any others?) have been slow in releasing stable DX10 drivers for Vista.

With that said I have not had Vista crash on older geForce video cards (WDHC drivers) or new Quadro 3700 GPU's.
I only had one driver re-set the video by itself after a bad DX10 command.... but Vista crashing... not yet...


aec007

]]> 4:373076:c4906307 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:55:16 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906272 @Aleung: If my grandmother can take the wheel, anyone can be a certified dri...

Oh wait, that's not what you meant, was it?

Sean Harrington

]]> 4:373076:c4906272 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:54:19 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906269 i've got vista on my laptop with a go7700 nvidia vid card. haven't had too many issues with crashes. maybe an handful in the year since i got it. bur recently haven't had a crash in over three months. which isn't too bad considering i rarely shut down or restart.

but these stats show the black eye an OS can get when manufactures don't write quality drivers. not sure, but i bet that is a #1 reason for apple keeping osx on 'closed' systems.

Johnny Chimpo

]]> 4:373076:c4906269 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:54:14 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906232 My HP lappie can't upgrade to SP1 because of NVIDIA.

Fermo

]]> 4:373076:c4906232 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:53:16 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906229 ...anyone remembers at the beginning of when VISTA was just months away? Getting delayed, over and over again... software developers pissed off because their apps were not ready yet... MS not sharing all the info with developers...

This is just me?
...my imagination?

xint

]]> 4:373076:c4906229 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:53:11 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906225 Over the past few years it seems like ATI or NVIDIA have cause most of my crashes on XP or Vista.

/yeah my mac crashes just as much

jeblis

]]> 4:373076:c4906225 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:53:03 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906195 Oh, NVidia, for christmas can I have Open-source drivers?

oo0cyst0oo

]]> 4:373076:c4906195 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:52:17 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906193 On the bright side, only one million six hundred and thirty three thousand crashes during the sample period. That is pretty fantastic!*

* If the sample period is two decades.

Monty

]]> 4:373076:c4906193 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:52:12 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906174 1,663,748 is a lot of crashes for a few thousand people to have...

(i keed)

nutbastard

]]> 4:373076:c4906174 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:51:30 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906167 Microsoft ask for $$$ for driver certification. Microsoft should take the blame, when the certified driver crash. Otherwise, what is the value of certified driver?

Aleung

]]> 4:373076:c4906167 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:51:19 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906143 (oh right - ^ refers to linux, not windows, which just goes to show how universally shitty their drivers are)

nutbastard

]]> 4:373076:c4906143 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:50:40 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906141 We've been having crash problems with Bioshock, Gears of War, and Crysis (even with the video settings set relatively low) on a brand new gaming PC w/ dual 8600GTSs. We've been blaming Vista (cause it's easy to pick on Mr. Softy), but it appears it is probably NVIDIA.

encyclia

]]> 4:373076:c4906141 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:50:38 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906137 Maybe this is one of the reasons my Vista experience has been so good, all of the machines I've used with it have had either ATI or Intel video adapters.

werk

]]> 4:373076:c4906137 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:50:28 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906122 nvidia drivers are notoriously shitty. enabling compiz requires nvidia-glx-new (via synaptic) while flash videos won't play under anything other than nvidia-glx, and i have to use indirect rendering to negate the black window bug.

totally worth it for wobbly windows and the desktop cube though... hopefully ubuntu 8 is a bit more solid.

nutbastard

]]> 4:373076:c4906122 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:50:00 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906062 This is great to know. :)

yoshi

]]> 4:373076:c4906062 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:48:08 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906033 Almost 1 out of 5 is "unknown"...really? That's not very good for sales.

faabshaam

]]> 4:373076:c4906033 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:47:27 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4906019 how about the 9.3% from ATI drivers that no one uses? that is troublesome in the same way.

oo0cyst0oo

]]> 4:373076:c4906019 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:47:09 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4905983 haha! microsoft crashes vista 17.9% of the time.. thats pretty freakin hilarious!

shift_nismo

]]> 4:373076:c4905983 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:46:19 EDT <![CDATA[NVIDIA Responsible for Nearly 30% of Vista Crashes in 2007]]> http://gizmodo.com/373076/nvidia-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-2007#c4905971 It also proves great market saturation.

Thunder_Child

]]> 4:373076:c4905971 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:46:02 EDT