<![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> If you think RFID is a good idea, and incidentally, if you think it is a bad idea, please read everything on this website:

[www.spychips.com]

...and then think again.

Thank you.

ldsdj

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @izim1: Passport for domestic? Bull. For Mexico and Canada, yes. But I've flown 3 times in Jan (actually once in Jan, once in Feb, and once in Mar). I've got 2 flights in May. No passport required. Traveled from CA to NV and CA to NY and CA to CO. May is CA to CA.

I highly recommend you get your hearing checked. They'll call for ID, but it's stated as "Please have your ID OR Passport ready." You are way off base and the fact that you haven't mentioned which airline just goes to prove it.

FWIW, This year, I've flown Virgin American x2, United x1 and I've got 2 more flights but my secretary booked them so I don't even know with which carrier they are on.

Regards,

cad3

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> You guys are seriously going too far with this.
Lets just all laugh at him.


desostros

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> I like the way his card identifies his race. Hitler would have loved this, would have saved a lot of time sewing yellow stars on clothing.

Gary_7vn

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @Sleeper_Service: Yeah, that too. Who said my list was complete?

Gary_7vn

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Oh, and the article wasn't written by him I think. This IC has been spreading over the internet for a while now. Saw it on one of the Singaporean forums before this.

Nighthawkz

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> I live in Singapore myself. (I really do) I don't think that these ID cards are that bad. They're really useful at times. Let's say you need to identify yourself. Just pull out this card and there, you have your proof. They used to put the blood type there, which i personally thought was pretty useful if you got into an accident. They took it out recently. IDK why though. The only downside is of course, if you lose it. Other people can use your card to do stuff. But then again, who goes around flashing their IC while robbing a bank? (Which rarely happens here btw)

"Hey, I'm robbing this bank, oh btw, this is my ID".

I know many people regard Singapore's government as being unliberalized and what not, but hey it works right? I mean, our country is rather small after all, and you do what you gotta do. Oh and btw, yes, it's compulsory for any fit Singaporean over 18 to join the army.

@evanhindra: Singapore's a multiracial country, it's not impossible for him to be born in Singapore you know...

Oh and btw, i think BIN means son of. So suparman's his father's name i THINK. Gotta ask my friends about this.

Nighthawkz

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> What Batman bin Suparman fails to realize is that, in the US at least, we already have state ID cards that serve every function that he outlines as a benefit for a federal ID card. Thus, a federal ID card is redundant and unnecessary for these purposes -- which makes us wonder exactly what purposes they want it for.

However, while I disagree with him in this instance, I would like to thank him for saving the world many times over, and putting Joker Al Luthor into Arkham.

HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @yooper1019: Very cruel viewpoint. You would fight to keep desperate people out of a prosperous country, AND deny the ones who come here anyway the right to exchange their labor for its fair value. The end result is that they remain poor and unhappy, produce rots on the vine, and prices increase astronomically (what do you know, "the price of labor - which accounts for 45 percent of ... expenses - has increased 10-fold").

So if you do want those "fair wage" strawberries, I promise to pick them myself.

gibson042

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @mspaeth:

ALSO PEOPLE, WATCH "ENDGAME"

[video.google.com]

nutbastard

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> I want a "Multi-Pass" w/ McLovin' on it !

uberfu

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Fuck National IDs !!

uberfu

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> The problem isn't what government will do with the information.

It's what they might do. And, even more worrying, it's what others might do as well.

Identity theft is real. Databases are cracked all the time, laptops are lost, and private information is leaked out and others can profit.

It could very well be a cultural thing, but there's a lot of distrust in the Americas of corporations and government, mostly because there's been demonstrated history of misuse and abuse of such information...

Worf

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> What ever happened to FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE
now its for the businesses by the government
NO REAL ID write your congressmen write your senator
do not get one no one get one and they will have to cancel it
not safe for me or you rfid is not secure and they want one in your pocket anyone with a few dollars can build a decent rfid reader
computers are not secure have you seen the ad on tv the pentagon is attacked 3 million times a day
I only wonder how often the database of ID's would be attacked 5-6-20 million times a day

Safety is not in an ID card nor is it in the government as it is
bring back for the people by the people
reject presidents and congressmen that promise you safety and only provide it for the rich and make all of our lives miserable in doing so
it wont matter how much you complain unless you complaint to the right people and if they dont listen dont vote for them

crash1105

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> MULTIPASS!!

jennyfur

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> It's pretty egotistical for boring old people like ourselves to think that the gov is suddenly going to spend time and resources digging into every little detail of our lives because of an ID card. I have a state drivers license. I have a work ID. I have a school ID. I'm on file with medical companies, insurance companies, the DMV, the IRS, various high-class porn sites, and pretty soon that google car-camera-bot is gonna drive through my apartment and snap photos of me on the shitter. All of this "invasion", and I've yet to find brown trench coats going through my trash. I've yet to have unmarked black sedans tail me on my way to Bed, Bath, & Beyond. I highly doubt that a lil ID card is going to suddenly turn 2008 into 1984.

Thunderdome

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> "I live in Singapore, where we have had national ID cards for a long time. And while I don't wear my underpants over my pyjamas most of the times, I don't feel any risk to my privacy at all for having it. Why?"

Look if i lived under a virtually powerless government I probably wouldn't mind so much either. But living in a society that can only be described accurately as "increasingly frightening" I can tell you I would never stand for this.

nutbastard

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @gibson042: Very selfish viewpoint. I would gladly spend a little more money to spend locally and eat or drink fair-trade/wage products. It's another thing if you truly can not afford to do it. $10/lb? Doubt it.

yooper1019

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @cheerfulcashew: I hope you enjoy produce when its cost goes up an order of magnitude. Might I interest you in some $10 per pound "fair wage" strawberries?

gibson042

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Funny how folks from other countries don't understand how the US is a federation of states with an intentional and essential balance of power between state and federal governments. Funny how folks from the US don't understand this either.

redgar99

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> There are some good comments here amongst the brainwashed mumblings. New World Order people! Watch [www.zeitgeistmovie.com]

Don't say there is nothing you can do about it. This is just another necessary step in the plan. We'll see what everyone here is saying when the bankers plunge us into another depression and our children are eating each other for food.

"Yeah, we knew it was happening, but it was already so far a long and they were already so powerful."

Wake up!!! The revolution is upon us.

mspaeth

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Google => "Zeitgeist Movie" => click on the first link.

Insanely long, the first section is about religion, second about 9-11, (skip through both and get to to the) third part is about a world conspiracy involving RFIDs and unlimited govnt control... oh yeah spoiler alert btw. Is any of it true? Who cares, it's a good way to kill 2 hours at work while increasing your paranoia 500%.

ooosername

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."

-V

yooper1019

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Normally I'm not a praying man but... SUPARMAN SAVE ME!

GHETTO.CHiLD

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> What will the rewards point program be like on these ID cards? :)

Fuzi Lojak

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @hammertime1994:
javanese.

it's indonesian name.
suparman is a common name in west java.

Hanael

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> I have yet to see a driver's license from another state that I like. the NY IDs are gorgeous. Screw the rest of the country, I want my ID to have the empire state building and Niagara falls on it god damn it!

lafond66

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> I'll get a pointless card when they agree to "pointless" nationalized healthcare.

faabshaam

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Quick! It's 7 years after a terrorist attack (this Sept.). We need to create a bunch of fairly pointless bureaucracies and completely over react by passing legislation that diminishes individual rights! Well I've got a few ideas... how about a new bureaucracy called... Home Land Security, think umbrella for existing agencies. And something called the Patriot Act, not sure what it will do but we'll let the NSA get away with crap to piss off citizens. OH OH! And in probably the MOST MEANINGLESS MONEY WAISTING ENDEAVOR, let's force the states to all adopt a single form of ID!

Then the legislatures all went home, and slept well after counting lobbying dollars.

Ah, the American political system... such a work of art!

Rususeruru

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> oof...

ftw5000

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @GOKOR: LOL I think that's what I was trying to say. :)

Fuzi Lojak

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> The national ID has RFID so all you need is an innocuous reader in doorways and the government knows where you went, where you ate, which stall you prefer.
Once they know where you are they can control you. maybe have a silent alarm at the bar that alerts that your ID is tied to a DUI and you can't be served. Maybe alert Chili's that your last National Health Care checkup showed you had high Cholesterol so no fatty foods for you. You can laugh but as the government gets larger/stronger we get weaker and smaller.

danaace

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> I'm fine with it if it will replace:

Birth Certificate
Social Security Card
Draft Card
Military ID
Driver's License
Passport
Concealed Carry License
Military Driver's License
Proof of Insurance
Library Card
Cell Phone

I'm sure there's more it can do, I'll have to think for a while.

Actually, just replacing the first six will do.

I live in Iowa, and recently got pulled over in Missouri (I know I shouldn't drive south of the border, but what are you going to do...) Anyway, my car's tint is illegal in Iowa and illegal-er in Missouri. Also, I didn't have my front license plate attached to the bumper, it's in the window. The legality of that is yet to be determined.

And here's the crazy part: the trooper couldn't ticket me on any of this! My car is registered in Iowa so Iowa law applies to me in Iowa, but he can't enforce it! And he also can't enforce his state's laws. And if I hadn't of had insurance (which I most certainly do) he couldn't have done anything about it.

Not that I'm complaining finding myself in a loophole, but this is pretty ridiculous. There are a lot of things that are determined at the state level that honestly belong at the federal level. Identification is one of them.

</diatribe>

jamesuschrist

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @gravion17: Well, there is, actually, but you'd be hard pressed to find enough people willing to help you and your cause to make it a prevalent threat to the establishment.

So yeah, pretty much screwed on that one, I agree.

GOKOR

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> ....oh, and for those of you who are actually intelligent enough to realize what this means for the future i.e. " New World Order ", " North American Union"......you are absolutely right! The kicker is....there is nothing you can do about it!!! Sleep Well ;-P

gravion17

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Preach the good word my most CONFUSED of SUPERHEROES...I really don't understand the ranting of the SHEEPLE in this country who demand that the government protect them and yet fight tooth and nail about some thing so MUNDANE as a National I.D.??? NEWS FLASH...If you live in a !st world country, YOU HAVE NO PRIVACY!!! every thing that is you is already known to the BIG BAD SCARY BIG BROTHER!!! it's so ridiculous it's funny..get over your selves, and wake up!

gravion17

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @Fuzi Lojak: The 9/11 "safety" precautions haven't done anything, but take away more personal freedoms and privacy than have already been stolen. Security cameras all over the streets have proven themselves useless. Increased internet monitoring has done nothing, but give the impression that we have someone constantly leaning over our collective shoulders to see what we are into and what we are searching.

GOKOR

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Government Quote "in accordance with the paper reduction act, all citizens will report for immediate RFID chip inplantation. Trees being carbon based will no longer be used for making paper. They will be transformed into oil so the oil companies who really run the show can make even more money from your tired, worn out asses. One more thing once we have mastered time travel, we will go back in time and set a up complete and all powerful police state to control your every move."

Government update "...uh we already did that by slowly stealing your liberty away from you in the interest of national security, papers please?..."

Rockr69

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @Boognish: I have the album, hadn't listen to it in a while but I am listening to it now, thanks for reminding me of it.

I honestly see us moving to an chip under the skin at some point. The military and other governments are trying out RFID to locate people. Walmart has already started testing RFID chips to replace bar codes which I'm sure once they make the final move to them everyone else will follow.

The national id is kinda of scary but then again, we lost the freedoms we're scared of losing a long time ago.

We lost it before "W" but out of fear we gave more of our freedom away in hopes of safety after 9/11. As Peter Griffin once said, "It's like sex with Kobe Bryant. You can kick and scream all you want, but it, uh... it's gonna happen."

Fuzi Lojak

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Javanese?

hammertime1994

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> MCLOVIIIIIIN! :XD

Bash_

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @Step666:This was interesting

@MasterSauce: I agree with this man right here. What he speaks could become reality.

@MillardFillmore: Thanks for the link.
I hope that is all it is, a "standard". I guess with traveling across state borders becoming more and more frequent. That they needed this standard in place so they can catch criminals easier.

-Core-

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Comment on Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension From the US perspective, the backlash against a national ID card is a no-brainer, Batman. Singapore is a nation whose government is largely constituted of public servants who take care of the people. America is a nation whose government is largely constituted of individuals who hate the people. The purpose of government in Singapore is to protect and help citizens live a happy, healthy and productive life. The purpose of government in America is to produce and control citizens who will then serve corporations and the military. In the hands of good government, citizens have nothing to worry about as to a national ID. In nations like the US (of which there are few, fortunately) a national ID is no joke. /mark richards

ShyamalVintage

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> DONT BE FOOLED! These ID cards as well as the upcoming "Amero" currency, is one of the many steps being put in place for total world domination. While knowing that it is eventually going to be a reality, I feel sorry for what the future holds for my children. Americans are being blinded from the truth about the intentions of this type of ID. A one world government is soon on the horizon and hopefully we will be able to go pee without having the government and major corporations watching how many times we jiggle it.

PaleRider

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Shouldn't "Not getting racially profiled" be included in the "Stuff White People Like" blog?

I keep an expired driver's license in the glovebox of the car along with an extra health insurance card (which has all of my medical info tied to it - Kaiser's "Matrix"-like "HealthConnect") and some cash. If I forget my wallet and a cop pulls me over, I can show the expired license and he'll run my number. It's really not a problem, but then, I'm white and drive a Hyundai. I'm not the trouble-making type.

vesuvian

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @Fuzi Lojak: Have you heard S.A.L.T. by The Orb, on the album Orblivion? Johnny expands on that passage. Dubbed from the movie Naked (1993)

Boognish

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> National ID has been historically used as a means of controlling the movement of the populace - keeping people in their places - so to speak.

That is why many jokes about nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia had to do with "...show me your papers ..."

Have fun with your national ID - here in NH it's live free or die!

twoHats

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> ...Dogs and Cats living together...MASS HYSTERIA!

strider_mt2k

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @Boognish: Could it be the beginning of the end?

Revelation 13:16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell who does not have the mark, that is the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18 This calls for wisdom: let anyone with understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a person. Its number is six hundred sixty-six.

Fuzi Lojak

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @Gary_7vn:

It says his country of birth is Singapore. lol. His parents are probably Indonesian or something.

evanhindra

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @Fuzi Lojak: Don't think I wasn't thinking of that too. Either way, still a prisoner

Boognish

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Hey, Batman bin Suparman! I'd like to introduce you to my other friends: Hus bin Farteen, and M'balz Es-Hari.

scarbrtj

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Yeah... go California!

kingburrito

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> National identification card efforts such as the Real ID Act may or may not have valid, worthy, and feasible goals, but I definitely have some concerns and they are not limited to issues of privacy. One is that such efforts feel to me like another way for national governments to exert their power (and thus, the interests, preferences, beliefs, policies, religions, politics, and such of those holding positions of power within them) over constituent polities such as states.

That said, I would happily endorse a national ID program . . . if California were a sovereign nation.

Brian Sexton

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @Gary_7vn:

Really? I thought it was having control of the army.

Sleeper_Service

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Too bad this kid was born in Indonesia.

He would have made a great "good German".

National ID cards are necessary for fascism.

Gary_7vn

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @GadgetPlay: I don't disagree with you, however, using wikipedia as a source is always a bad idea. (Since anyone could simply make the article say "Batman bin Suparman rulz joo!!!" or something that supports his argument...) This link might be better: [www.dhs.gov]

MillardFillmore

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Comment on Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension None of us are citizen of the United States of America. We are citizen of our given states (in my case Texas) hence our identification cards or driver's licenses. According to the Constitution (remember that little document that made all of this possible?) each state is a small nation and is a member of the Union known as the United States of America. Each state may make its own rules as long as they don't interfere with the rules stated for the Union set in the Constitution. Our passports are simply a way of showing other countries who may not have a system as unique as ours that we are a member of the Union known as the United States. Our federal government is too large and should have little to no power to thrust such travesties on the Member States of America. Until we wake up and stand together they will continue to make laws and further box us into a corner. Say no to Real-ID.

PutnamActaeus

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Burp, excuse me.

Uncle Remus

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Not sure how many posts above mine.. but a lot, and all of them prove how effective of a propaganda campaign the debate/discussion you're involved in is. I find it convenient that the question was framed as, "does it pose a risk", as if any of us could determine the true possible uses for such an exploitable/abusable platform. The real question is, "how" does it pose a threat? RFID anyone? RealID requirements include RFID.. u know, that little wonderbug of a tracking system, developed for "asset/warehouse management". Scary that not one post previous to this has mentioned/question RFID, and ever scarier that people don't have enough self respect to understand NOBODY should have that power over you, for whatever reason. You know it would be a felony to disable your own right? Sounds like freedom to me.

uknowwhatisell

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> As @GadgetPlay says "People! This is about standards for state issued Drivers' Licenses." THIS IS NOT A NEW CARD. Your California license will still be your California license. All it says is that all states must meet minimum identification requirements before issuing a license. This will allow you to use you State DL as an ID for Federal purposes... such as boarding a plane in another state. It will also put an end to faking a license from a state with little or no standards that can easily be used to defraud people or businesses with. I'm all for it!

Uncle Remus

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Give me a national ID, but you better use it to allow police and other entities to look up my drivers license, insurance status, and registration. That way, if I forget to put the stupid card in my car, they can't nail me for $200 because they don't want to keep that info in a central place to look up.

Darkest Daze

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Whats wrong with you people? The Real ID is just a set of standards for all States drivers licences to meet. Its still just your drivers license you morons.

The REAL ID Act of 2005 is U.S. federal law which imposes certain security, authentication and issuance procedures standards for the state driver's licenses and state ID cards, in order for them to be accepted by the federal government for "official purposes".

Your California license will still be your California license. The State of California will just have to meet the standards set forth in this act before issuing a license. The purpose is so your DL can be used to identify you wherever you travel in the US. YOUR DL ALREADY DOES THIS! The difference is that this will make it really difficult to fake.

Uncle Remus

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> It's a little late for april fools jokes don't you think?

techwhiz140

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> People! This is about standards for state issued Drivers' Licenses. Please read:

[en.wikipedia.org]

This reminds me of the "Twilight Zone" where the power goes out and the neighbors all become more and more paranoid.

@izim1: I hope you enjoyed Disney World. Do you have 4 children, or was your wife in labor for a year? (Sorry, I couldn't pass it up!)

GadgetPlay

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Part of the reason is that it's a privacy issue, but the real problem and the real reason so many states are resisting it is simply that the Federal government does not have the authority to regulate how each state does citizen identification.

It's a Constitutional issue. It's state's rights vs federal rights. In fact, the act that established the Social Security numbering for each citizen explicitly states that the government *cannot* use this number for tracking or identification. This has largely been ignored, however.

DaChicken

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> If the indigenous peoples of this continent couldn't get a break, what chance do we have??? :(

Kaiser-Machead's Chips Ahoy!

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> While many people already have much of their data tracked by companies. One of the key points, is choice. I can CHOOSE not to have a credit card. I can CHOOSE not to own a home. I can CHOOSE (with great difficulty these days) to work for a company, or live in a building that doesn't do background checks. If I want, I can live off the grid completely. While there are compromises to doing these things, the important part, is that I have choice.

Also, while they do get violated, I have laws protecting the privacy of my data that companies have, and I can work with my legislators to have further protections added. With a national ID system, it's in the hands of one of the largest organizations in the world, and unfortunately, has had a poor record of protecting my data. While Credit Card companies may occaisionally be breached, it's in their best interest to safeguard my data. If they don't, I can take my business elsewhere. If the Real ID database is compromised, I can't just choose another company.

And singapore is not exactly a great defense for "why not let the government have my infoz". They aren't so hot on people that don't tow the line (Google 'caning' and notice the first result? "Caning in Singapore"). Also, Singapore is practically a city-state. With a population that small, a national ID is really no different than a state driver's license.

Many people aren't concerned with privacy and security, which is why it has become a joke in america. People keep giving up little bits of innocuous data, and before they know it, it keeps you shackled. This is why it's legal for companies to not hire you, because your credit score is a few points too low, or because you had a picture of you and your friends drinking beer on your myspace. Then we act shocked when telco's were handing over our personal information without warrants to the US government. If we don't value our personal information and privacy, why should we expect the companies that hold that data to act differently?

The argument that the people holding your data haven't abused it yet, is not a good argument for trust. In my opinion, if you wouldn't put the data up on a billboard in Time Square, then you should be concerned about where it is and where it could be used.

Just my two cents.

Brian Artiaco

bartiaco

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @izim1

TSA "asks" for an state or federal ID. Most people just comply because its convenient. Passports ARE NOT required for domestic travel. Period. If you lose your ID you are given an extra security check and allowed through. No ID required. This single act alone signifies the pointlessness of checking ID. And TSA does not have authority over Canadian or Mexican airspace. Heck the TSA doesn't have authority over any airspace. Thats the prevue of the FAA. And I think the Canadian and Mexican governments would have something to say about the US 'assuming' all control over their airspace.

I know this because I keep track of the policies and procedures because I - gasp - travel alot. Internationally and domestically. And the six times I've travelled domestically this year I have given them my state issue ID 5 times and stated I lost my ID (it was actually stolen) the sixed time. I was allowed through. But you don't have to take my word for it. There are hundreds of people who have documented this.

regexp

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> I hope Gizmodo is watching the level of Superior Californians in this thread. Hate for a Smug Storm to hit...

Fuzi Lojak

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @Boognish: Nah, it will just be a small rf id chip under the back of the hand...

Fuzi Lojak

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @regexp: the TSA has assummed control of all things "air travel". in northern and southern areas, as well as flights to alaska and hawaii, they require proof of legal status with the "excuse" of "what if the plane has to divert to another country."
the TSA has been recently accused of racial profiling (which is illegal) and has been scrutinized for this which is why they claim to ask EVERYONE for a passport. all the "international airports" have the same TSA "suggested identifications" AKA requirements....

BTW i know my blond hair, light skin and grey eyes doesnt get me racially tagged, so i'm assuming it's all the way across the board for all......

izim1

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Just because my credit cards show my purchasing history doesn't mean I want to give someone an easier time of accessing that information by combining it and all of my other info with one universal card. That's fucking retarded.

That being said, after all the reading I've done on this card, I think our drivers licenses already meet all of the requirements of the card itself (all the information, the signature, the bar code on the back...) so why the hell do we need another card that does the same thing? There's something we aren't being told.

Excerpt from [epic.org]

"Secretary Chertoff also indicated that the REAL ID card would be used for a wide variety of purposes, unrelated to the law that authorized the system, including employment verification and immigration determination. He also indicated that the agency would not prevent the use of the card by private parties for non-government purposes. As part of the cost-saving effort, Homeland Security has decided not to encrypt the data that will be stored on the card."

I'm not sure all of this information is as current as it was, but suddenly the card strictly for government purposes (and national security) may also be used for non-governmental purposes. That sounds like something they need to explain in detail. And that's the problem, they're only telling us part of the story, if the Real ID becomes a nationally accepted act, then they can change the rules and start using it for even more things they have yet to disclose.

Look at what happened with the Patriot Act people. They use that shit against law abiding US citizens EVERY DAY.

Give them an inch, they'll take a mile.
Think about it.

Kaisum

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> An ID card is used for people who can't drive, afford a passport, or go to school. There are a lot of them, don't be too surprised. Anyways, a standardized card won't hurt anyone.

Dooga

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @izim1

Passports are not required to fly domestically within the United States for US citizens. Period. Whoever is telling you otherwise is full of it. The signs you are seeing is for international travel. We do, however, need passports to travel to Canada and Mexico - that is a new requirement. In addition - IDs aren't even required for flying. Why? IDs get lost. There has to be a process to deal with that and there is. You just go through an extra security check. An ID to get on a plane adds no security value whatsoever. The checking of IDs for flights originally started to prevent people from reselling airline tickets.

For all of you that think that a national id would be great because of convenience. You people worry me. A national ID does not make you more secure and it costs a lot of money. In addition americans have a pretty healthy distrust of their government. Have you seen who we have as president? Also - federal, state, and local government agencies have proven time and time again they can't be trusted with information. They lose it, misplace it, and access it illegally. A national id card only has negatives. No positives.

regexp

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> the title to this article is misleading, since there is no "case" presented. A "case" meaning "why a national ID card would benefit me". The article only presents ways a national ID card would be meaningless to my privacy and life.

so why do I need a national ID card?

No ones really told me. I already have an ID card or two. its a drivers license and a school ID. If I need a top level hard to fake ID, I use my passport. If it replaced all my current cards, I'd be screwed if I lost it.

redkamel

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> I already have six forms of ID in my pocket, I don't want another one. And if this thing is linked up Nationally, why not just go into a cashless society and put credits onto the card? That way, anyone the government thinks is a terrorist can be prevented from buying their "terrorist" supplies. If someone is red flagged, they'd be rejected at the counter in Boarders for trying to buy a red flagged book. Think of all the books they could prevent the poor innocent children from reading if they could red flag them all? Or maybe they want to buy fertilizer for their farm, but because they'd gone to one Communist party meeting back in '92, he's not allowed to buy more than one bag of fertilizer at a time. Just got out of prison? HA! Good luck finding a job!

This is a mighty slippery slope where people's freedoms will be at risk if everything we do is dependent on if we have clearance on our card. This is lazy America, there will be a bar code on it, and it will just be scanned. And if the computer tells the cashier not to sell these items to you, then you don't get them.

But that's ok, the government is always right, never wavering. Has every right to be into every area of my business because they have such a great track record of arresting and detaining those who are the real criminals.

DO NOT RELY ON THE GOVERNMENT TO DECIDE WHAT IS RIGHT AND WRONG. MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICES! THESE ARE THE BUFFOONS WHO SENT US TO IRAQ LOOKING FOR WMDS. WHO TOOK US INTO VIETNAM. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO TRAINED OSAMA BIN LADEN IN 1980. WHO SHOOK HANDS WITH SADDAM HUSSEIN. WHO STILL HAS GUANTANAMO BAY. WHO HOLD PRISONERS FOR YEARS WITHOUT TRIAL. WHO CIRCUMVENTS THE CONSTITUTION WHEN CONVENIENT. WHO LOSES MONEY HAND OVER FIST TO CHINA. WHO IS IN BED WITH THE OIL COMPANIES. WHO IS DRIVING THIS COUNTRY INTO THE GROUND.

PAPERS PLEASE.

MasterSauce

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @cheerfulcashew: BTW as for your "more people, less jobs" arguement: big companies already outsource to other countries. who knows, maybe more "legal" workers willing to do the work here at home, would put enough pressure on them and force them to bring their operations and cash back home.......

izim1

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @cheerfulcashew: i dont get me wrong dude. im totally against the national ID card. seems like an unnecessary waist for EVERYONE. the government can track someone a million different ways and people dont really need to carry more garbage in their wallets. (fany-packs for my white peeps)...

as for the immigration thing. i too have gone through it with my wife and know the process ISNT easy. IS expensive ( i had to pay a penalty of an even grand for her being here while her status was being adjusted on top of the $400 application fee). and takes A LONG TIME( the year+ it took for her is actually a minute in USCIS time). and as for letting all the poor in: why not? if theyre going to do the things the right way and abide by the laws, why not? this IS the land of freedom and opportunity, isnt it? but like i said before, some people just have no choice and cant do it "the legal" way, which is why we NEED improved immigration laws. the app fees have gone up by atleast double in the last couple of years for NOTHING. nothing has improved and people are still getting screwed. go ahead and check their website. apps for children of legal residents are still being processed from 1999. 1999!!! what is that child supposed to do in the mean time? stay with his neighbors in the other country? assuming the kid was 10+ he's know old enough to get a job to pay for his college but cant because he's not legal? THAT doesnt even sound right. we need better laws and system, plain and simple.

izim1

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @izim1:
Don't get me wrong, if I was that dude you described, yes, I would do anything to make a better life.
BUT...are you saying then that all of the worlds' poor should be let into this country? Just what do you think that would do to your job? Are you willing to work for one Euro a day? Laws suck, but if you make more and more of them, then the suck factor goes way up, right? My wife just became an American, and we did it all legally. It is possible, you just have to try. There is even lotteries for green cards these days. I wish everyone could have a fabulous life, but then again, I live in reality and I just don;t see that happening. Again, I don't have an answer, but my opinion is that this ID card is all about money and information, which kind of equals power, no? And I want to be in charge of that power, not a government.

cheerfulcashew

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @EBone: not arguing with you just for the sake-of arguing, budd. here and texas along with other states illegals CAN get a drivers-license. it helps with the uninsured problem. any one with money can buy anything including a car. you have a car you need insurance. the last thing you need is to get rammed by an illegal who doesnt have insurance because "he cant get a drivers license". that's the reason why they wont take state issue IDs anymore for "proof" of citizenship at ANY border. different states have different laws. and cops dont care about legal status, which is why they were complaining about the program to recognize illegals that the feds wanted to implement. as a former cop i can tell you we dont have the patience or resources to deal with that problem. that's what INS( now USCIS) is for. dont get me wron i wasnt trying to start a flame war or anything. it's just that immigration laws NEED to be improved. the current system sucks both ways. for the pro and anti crowds....

and Disnye world was great. my lil ones are 7 and 6 yr old twins. perfect age for them to just be amazed at the whole thing. i kinda expected it to be more expensive but was pleasantly surprised. took them to all three parks (animal kingdom, magic kingdom, and epcot)...

izim1

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> His name is real. Batman BIN Superman. Iknow arabic and it is real but it's not spelled like that: BATMIN BIN SUFARMINN.
but that's quite a catch, LOL.

yaman

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> sounds like another line to wait in every so many years, than when u lose it ur screwed. Also, drivers licenses do the same thing. It would serve no purpose but to make people wait in line, while the extra y chromosome tells you that you didn't fill out some form. Just would raise taxes and give idiots jobs.

tkohrs2002

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> sounds like another line to wait in every so many years, than when u lose it u cant go anywhere. Also, we have drivers licenses. It would serve no purpose accept giving the extra y chromosome a easy job, and raising taxes.

tkohrs2002

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @izim1: I did prove my legal status when pulled over. I showed the officer my California issued drivers license. That'll change if we give drivers licenses to non-citizens. How can someone be issued a LEGAL license to drive when they are in the USA under ILLEGAL circumstances? It just makes no sense to me.

Let's agree to disagree and both have a nice weekend. Was Disneyworld good? My little guy just turned six months old so the big trip to Wally World is still a few years off.

EBone

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @izim1: forgot to add new jersey. had to fly there last month. "passpot required".

BTW batman bin suparman is DEFINATELY better than mclovin...

izim1

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @EBone: carrying a passport while flying IS NOT a big deal to most, since most fly out of the country and only so many times. "ALL the time" is a little extreme since i SERIOUSLY doubt you have EVER been asked to prove your "legal status" to the cop who pulled you over for speeding....
as for the passport thing: i have no idea how you do it since i too have flown from here (DFW) to austin, fontana, and new orleans for work since the new year and orlando for vacation a couple of weeks ago and have been CLEARLY TOLD by the airlines and airports that NO ONE will board the plane without a valid passport anymore.

izim1

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Waste of my tax dollars, just like giving money to churches.

There are enough ways to track me already. If they really want to know my habits, they can get a warrant for subpoena my Giant Eagle Advantage card, Staples Rewards card, foot locker card, barnes and noble card, etc etc etc...

Oh, wait, the US Gov't doesn't need warrant anymore...

MrWashy

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @izim1: So it comes down to this. Most of the people here are complaining they don't want to carry an extra card in their wallet, but they're ok with carrying an extra BOOK around with them?

As for where I have been, I have flown for work five times since January 1, 2008, all domestic within the US. Austin, San Francisco, San Jose, Bakersfield, Houston. Not once was I asked for a passport. I showed my California issued drivers license and ticket / boarding pass at the gate at every airport I listed plus San Diego and was allowed to board the planes. No one asked me for a passport.

EBone

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> lindec has hit the nail on the head. Ever hear the phrase "don't put all your eggs in one basket"?
How many times have we heard in the recent past about great big collections of sensitive data that have been lost or stolen? Batches of unencrypted disks lost in the mail, unsecured laptops stolen or "missing," etc. Governments and private companies have proven time and again how inept they can be at keeping our data secure.
So what happens when we have all our data in one big national database, and some hacker breaks in and pwns it? Who're they going to sell it to?
These national IDs are going to contain biometric data. It's easy enough to get a different credit card number these days. It's a pain, but you can change your social security number. What happens when someone gets the data map of your fingerprint or retina?
Fear it, people. Fear the National ID.

FredicvsMaximvs

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> cheerfulcashew: "Listen,
there are rules already in place to allow people into this country legally. It's the people who are too lazy or impatient to follow those rules"

yeah, dude. i already explained "the rules". if you arent under 21 and/or immediately related to a "legal" than youre shit out of luck. unless your home country breaks out in civil war and the US decides to grant you refugee status. there isnt a damn thing you can do to become legal. what then, junior? what does "paco" who is tired of living in the wastelands of "el salvador" do then? just look at his babies faces every night knowing he cant give them a better life in the US because "its not legal"? c'mon dude. i agree their has to be laws. but the ones in place at the moment are DEEPLY flawed. to say the least.

izim1

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> As I recall the Nazi's tattooed inmates in Auschwitz and later in other prison camps in order to ID. Is that the next step for us?

Boognish

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @EBone: dude. where have you been? you DO have to carry a passport to hop on a plane for a domestic trip now. they wont just take ID anymore. its been this way for a few months now. had to buy all my kids passports just to fly to disneyworld. $100 a pop.

as for your "scammer" point. now that you clarify it, i agree with you.

izim1

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @izim1: You missed my points entirely. First, I don't want to carry my passport with me to go vote or to get on an airplane for a domestic trip. The only ID checked for those situations currently is a valid state-issued drivers license. Give licenses to non-citizens, and you'll have to show your passport to hop a plane to Austin or to vote in November. How many people are going to vote if you have to have passport to prove citizenship to do it?

Second, my point was not that Mexicans are less than human. That's your assertion. My point was he was only scamming people looking for green cards. It could of been a lot worse - he could have been providing IDs to, say, 19 men in their mid-20s to mid-30s from Saudi Arabia who had more on their minds than minimum wage jobs - like learning to fly commercial aircraft straight and level.

EBone

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Listen,
there are rules already in place to allow people into this country legally. It's the people who are too lazy or impatient to follow those rules who would like to see this kind of thing put into place so that getting a fake ID will ease their entry into this country. Everyone who follows the rules that we already have are welcome into this country. And to quote Pres Bush, sadly:" we need people who will do the jobs that no American wants to do" well, that is a huge load of hogwash. If you paid people a fair market value for the job, then there are more than enough people in America right now to do those jobs. If you don't want to pay a fair wage for the job, then of course you will need screw people over (hence hiring illegal aliens who won't complain)and that to me is un-American. Keep the stupid ID card, live with the laws we already have, and vote in the elections to keep crap like this from popping up.
Whew, there. I gotta go now my gardener is blowing leaves all over and he doesn't understand me when I ask him to stop...

cheerfulcashew

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> It is somewhat scary how time can wear down people's opposition to legislation to the point of acceptance. This post illustrates peoples' inherent submissive and rationalization qualities.
Does the information that the Real ID tracks already exist in multiple forms, yes of course. Is that the issue? No. The issue is two fold.
First, as lindec pointed out: This is now one location for the identity thieves of the world to mine for victims. While true that the gov't might not be able to access the information efficiently, an identity thief is much more determined for the information and will dig deep.
Second, this is another instance of the Federal Gov't wrestling power away from the State Gov'ts, something US citizens should oppose. The states were founded and given their power to prevent a Federal Gov't from dominating its citizen's lives. We as citizens should be shouting along with these resisting states in every medium possible.
The author didn't think the Real ID outcome through fully. The Real ID offer too much risk without any benefits to the citizens. Only the Fed benefits, and they are here to serve us, not the other way around.

newm0099

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Idiots.. use your heads.. what did the nazi's say.. "Show me your papers!" you have a brain .. use it.. history is not written by people with good intentions. The real ID act is just another way to take your privacy.. but knowing americans.. they'll probably accept it and ask for seconds.

TehCheetSpot

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @EBone: police dont give a crap about your legal status. nor do insurance companies. unless you commit a felony the cops wont hand you over to immigration. so your point is moot. and youre right about the guy ripping mexicans off, it's a good thing it only got that bad, i mean, it's not like he was ripping off human beings or anything......

izim1

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> as for the national id card. like it has been repeated over and over again by others: i have enough crap in my wallet already. plus my crack dealer doesnt take credit cards much less scans my id so they cant track my purchases even if they wanted to so.......... same for my "illegal arms dealer"....

izim1

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @lindec: This is basically a summation of how I feel. Nice coverage of all the points in my head:
-Security risk
-Unnecessary, other than to allow the government additional access to records that it doesn't need.
-Creates a platform for abuse of power.
-Lends itself to the idea of a Police State. Which is also something I feared when we started tightening up our boarders, especially to Canada.

MIKEAWESOME

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> If states are going to give "undocumented workers" valid drivers licenses, how else will you be able to identify your citizenship short of carrying your passport with you everywhere? Stop states from handing out licenses to illegals, and then you won't have to worry about Real ID.

On a similar note, local police here in SoCal this week busted a Mexican National who had some very official looking Homeland Security ID and badge. He was using it to bilk money from his fellow Mexican Nationals saying he could get them citizenship papers for a price. Good thing he was only screwing his fellow countrymen and nothing more sinister.

EBone

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> I think that somewhere, some way and for the right price the integrity of any id local or national can be bought. It will be a matter of time when we will need to come up with yet another super duper national id.

Azteck

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Exactly as some of you have said.
NAZI GERMANY!
No one thought Hitler would do anything and now look.

Imagine wanting to go to Paris for a couple of days, but you can't. Why? Because some dumb ass in Washington accidently put you on the no fly list.
Wanna know how long that would take to sort out?
... along time

"Those who are willing to sacrafice freedom for safety, deserve neither freedom nor safety"
-Benjamin Franklin

chi3sa

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @Cellenin: agree about criminals. but "illegals"? most are busted through raids at workplaces while they do nothing other than try to provide for their families. many are busted due to DUIs (something a "red-blooded american" also does) then after being booked, the "truth" comes out. "but they're criminals because they broke the immigration law", you say? most "red-blooded americans" have no clue why. NO idea how hard and time consuming it is to get legal status, which takes YEARS and at $400 just to fill out an application is expensive. you can only fix your status through JOB(as in a specialist dr. or lawyer or such, NOT working cashier at burger king), immediate family of a legal resident or citizen, and of course as a refugee. you cant just walk up to USCIS and fill out an application for registering. which is what a LOT of people think it is. and visas only last for so long. point is: unless you're an immigrant who has gone through the process or just a racist prick. leave the guys that just want to give their families a better life, alone. approve an immigration reform that allows people with no criminal history to work here. or find something more productive to do with your time......

izim1

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Oh... Not to mention the de facto gun registry as well...

ptwiggens

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Personally I'm not that worried about it.

Here in the US the whole works is going to shit with such speed and efficiency that the work done to gather the information will most likely be negated in by the lack of competency or inter-bureau cooperation for anything of value to be done with it.

It's the fall of Rome people.
Good luck with administration.

When the soldiers roll up my street I will very likely be dead already so all I can offer is heartfelt, "Good Luck!"

Sorry.
Little lacking in the hope department of late.

strider_mt2k

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Yeah... REAL ID is going to be awesome...

ALL of my information located in one place, including high resolution scans of my driver license, social security card, and birth certificate.

Not only will all of that and more be available in a database to ANY DMV worker, but it will also be encoded into the card that can be read by anyone with the correct scanner to read it... which can be bought cheap online.

Thus, if there is one tiny security breach ANYWHERE in the system... they will have my entire life to assist them in stealing it.

Anyone who supports REAL ID is a complete moron... I feel sorry for the guy who wrote this article.

Americans don't live in Singapore for a reason!

ptwiggens

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Ridiculous post. The threat about Real ID is not even so much tracking, it's the fact that it is a one-stop-shop for identity theft among other things. Get your credit card stolen? Not so much of a big deal, you can immediately cancel it. Get your drivers license stolen? Pretty annoying to have to go to the DMV, but a driver's license does not represent a high-level enough form of ID to do much real damage. Get your Real ID stolen though? Ah, now our thief has access to an ID with some real legitimacy behind it, and only god knows how much data mining access. This is a legitimate problem and a legitimate risk. Most importantly, we need to ask WHY this is a necessary step? Your article answers your own question Jesus. You've got a Passport. You've got a drivers license. You've got a Social Security card. You have several major credit cards. If you work for a big company or go to college, odds are good that you have a picture ID for those too. Do you really need yet ANOTHER form of ID to tell people who you are? Are all the previous forms of ID useless? Of course they aren't. There is no need for Real ID. Secondly, and maybe I'm the last person in the world who thinks this, whatever happened to being able to purchase things anonymously? I SHOULD NOT, repeat, SHOULD NOT, have to present my Real ID when I check out library books about the history of kinky sex or something. I should have the right to purchase as much booze and porn as I like without having to present my Real ID at every turn. Finally, there's the slippery slope argument. Consider the Patriot Act and how as you said, privacy is slowly slipping away here. If everyone is required to have a Real ID, it's only a matter of time before police officers walking the streets stop you to see if you have your Real ID on you. Think back to Nazi Germany- "papers please..." does that sound familiar? What if you forgot your Real ID that day? They call that a police state, and Real ID is just the first step.

lindec

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Just to be clear, it's standards for the drivers' licenses, not a new card.

GadgetPlay

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> I think the issue with the Real ID is that, rather than some company using credit cards to track sales, this is the central government using an ID card to keep a record of, and track, people. And not just any record, but fairly personal data too vis a vis passports, which only work when you travel, and how often do any of us travel. It's true that domestic wiretappings are occurring and that people are being filmed left and right but imagine if the government had access to all sorts of personal information conveniently located in one database. That just seems pernicious at best. And those of you say you'd want one card as a matter of convenience, well,...what if you lost it? Then you'd be out your driver's license, social security card, etc. But if we absolutely had to have a Real ID, then I'd want California up front and center so no one thought I was from.....Wyoming or something.

rifdawg

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> If I'm not mistaken, we would all still have state specific IDs, but they would have to meet certain criteria as to security. It's more about national standards than national ID.

I think you'll still have to pay extra for the body cavity searches.

GadgetPlay

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> It means "(To) Progress Singapore"

chris@APL

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> If they REALLY want to track where I buy my vodka, go for it.

s017jrs

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> just in case anyone wonder...
BIN in arab stands for son of, which means batman son of superman? those are way to many superpowers.


chalouh

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @cash: It's not actually latin. It's Malay.

chris@APL

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> @GiltProto: I agree with you If where gonna have it why not have it be a national id card that that acts as a social security card, drivers license, passport and whatever else a state or the federal government has that needs a card.

States and Governments have to make money someway besides taxes and this is it, ID, Social Security cards, birth certificate etc. how much do they cost and how much are they to replace if lost.

utube2007

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> I really see no problem with a national ID, just as long as it works as a driver's liscense replacement. I don't want to carry more cards than I do already (my wallet is full of crap).

whiteknight89

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Whilst there have been some questions about whether the ID card proposals here in the UK could present a risk to privacy and so on, the major opposition to it is on the grounds of it being a useless waste of money and the fact that the proposed laws would infringe upon civil liberties.

The ID cards the UK is proposing to introduce would not replace the driver's licence or passport and are therefore of little/no use to the population however, if the proposed laws are passed, it would be illegal to leave your house without carrying one. So, given the £100 ($200) plus that obtaining an ID card would cost each individual, on top of the countless billions wasted by the government in introducing them, it's not difficult to see why people oppose them - they're effectively being forced the pay money to get something they don't need which they would then be obligated to carry at all times.
Add onto that the fact that it would then be legal for the police to stop absolutely anyone and demand to see their ID card for no reason and (IIRC) detain them if they aren't carrying one and you have even more of a civil liberties headache.

Personally I don't opposed to ID cards in theory but I refuse to accept the way that the fucktard Labour government is trying to force them onto us.

Step666

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> papers please.

ghettoblaster

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> I think the problem people have with them relates to the electronics in them, you can scan the card for the data on it - much like the new biometric passports - without physical contact.

Someone who walks behind you on the train can theoretically scan the data and use what is on it perhaps to steal your identity or something.

I don't have a problem with a dead card like the one from the poster as it requires him to choose when to take it out and show it to someone, the new ones the UK is proposing is more like the kind you press against doors to open them etc.

volcane

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Hi.

John Mayer here.

I just want everyone to know that i think the goven'ment should have the right to read my mail, delete the word "abortion" from all databases, listen to all my phone coversations, and even tell me how to raise my children.

I also think that all politicians should receive inappropriate compensation from big industry, especially when it represents a huge conflict of interest.

thanks, let me know if there is anything i can do to help.

tucker

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> I'd be happier if once card could be used for an ID card, drivers license card, soc security, credit card, etc. I have to carry around too much plastic including my state's Firearms Owner's ID (FOID) card. In this modern world you shouldn't have to carry so many cards.

GiltProto

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Illegals and criminals are the only ones that will The national ID. The left hates this fact and are rallying hard against it. Few people realize this amazing fact, but with DMV's getting linked you have a national ID right in your pocket. How do you think so many Illegals get busted? The fake crap doesnt cut it anymore. Hopefully this will put an end to sanctuary cities and all that other mess.

Nastro

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> not that worried about a national identity card, like the man said, they know what i get through my debit / credit card anyways, they know what i read through my Libaray card, and from that they have deduced that i am a poor, crazed computer geek devoid of social skills that eats pain pills and bagels, reads a mix of trash and computer books and drinks diet pepsi and beer, so , uh...

i guess i am pretty sad...but like the man above as long as it says i am from California, i would be happy

corhou99

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> body cavity searches for EVERYONE! But only if you're good...

frndlybnny

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> I just think it's cute that Singapore's national seal has Latin on it.

ca$h

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> I'm from one of those states that's resisting (SC). I do have an expired passport somewhere, but I'll be damned if I can find it. I guess it's body cavity searches for me the next time I fly.

Galley

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> So if it's so innocuous, why have it at all? If it does nothing but tell some waiter that you're you, why spend millions of dollars to make sure everyone in the country gets one?

Just askin's all ....

Nigerian Business Executive

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> too much thinking for my hungover brain

MrBlahBlah

]]> <![CDATA[Superhero Presents Strong Case for ID Cards as States Get Real ID Extension]]> Dude, singapore has a population of 4.5 Million people, administering a 'national id' card program for that many people is total cake as opposed to the same program for 300+ million people in the USA. Who is going to administer this? have you ever been to the department of motor vehicles in the USA? The costs of creating a "national ID" card in addition to a passport or driver's license or a Social Security Card would be horrendously large. Also, its totally against the American concept of a federal state system to require people to present identification while traveling between states (which would be the only reason you'd even need a "national id" card). Every state already has their own equivalent of a state ID card that you can get at the DMV. It's not an issue of privacy really, although adding another set of numerical credentials for ID theft doesn't sound like a good idea either, its an issue of COST and Benefit, the latter of which there is nearly none.

aNdRoX

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