<![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> Lie testing troops? Heh. Goes well with Home Paternity Test Kits at [www.instantmd.com] if you're going to Iraq.

Sara001

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @Curves: The story comes from the book "Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets" by David Simon. It has been used on TV a few times, by the TV show based on the book, and also Law and Order

rraszews

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> "Are you a terrorist?"
-"No"
"Is your name Wil-e-Coyote?"
-"No"
"What are all those wires & tubes that say 'acme tnt' on your chest?"
-"Bio feedback from Sharper Image! Very stressed at work."
"What do you do?"
-"Pizza guy"
(beeeeeeepppppp)

rollypolly39

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @Seven Is Darker: That only shows that you are uncomfortable or nervous. It doesn't prove that you are lying. People under stress or have anxiety will have that problem depending on how the person conducting the test is treating you and the environment that you are in can cause fluctuations. People on medication usually get false positives also. Polygraphs are known to be unreliable.

vertibraker

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> If I remember correctly, wasn't the main draw back of these machines in general the fact that if your blood pressure spikes, then it will show you as lieing?

Seven Is Darker

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> polys dont work i have a 1st hand experience

took one for fed job. failed a question i didnt lie to.
told to take a specific after being chewed out for 2 hours.
passed with flying colors.

dropped job app. went back to school. just cause guy was a jerk. ha.

xb3ngx

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @highfloydelity: according to the photo the machine says he is "Red" ... surprisingly enough.

yet another reason to distrust this device!

x23

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> A polygraph does not detect lies and is in fact only 50% accurate. By only accepting yes/no answers, that is already 50% on its own. Any study that shows that the results are higher are bias for law enforcements to spread an urban myth that they are reliable. If the polygraph had any valididty to it, they would be admissable in court, which it isnt.
@Guizzy: Your method of beating a polygraph is too complex for most people. It is very difficult for people to condition themselves to condition a lie as fact. The military has tried training soldiers to do that and it took several years for any positive results. A polygraph is usually run 3 times to see any discrepnencies in your answers and would defeat this method if done by an average person.

The most reliable lie detector which is used by the Secret Service is FAC or facial action coding developed by Paul Ekman.

vertibraker

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> I vote these be required for all Political debates, is that Obama in the chair or Hillary in drag?

RabbiHarley

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @nutbastard: SEE? That's why I said I didn't want to hear it!

Guizzy

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @digodemais: How'd you come up with that 95% figure?

Joseph

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @Curves:
An HBO series that just ended last month. In one episode, the police hooked up a phony polygraph to a suspect to get him to confess and it worked, at least on HBO it worked.

riqgeez

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @Guizzy:
just make some noises and pee a little : )

oh god thats gross.

nutbastard

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @Juggrnott:
"to everyone who doubts the accuracy of this device. It is not a polygraph... It is a vocal stress analyzer, created by Israeli scientist. I am not saying it is more or less acurate than a polygraph just that this is not a ploygraph :)"

A voice stress analyzer that attaches to your fingers?? Thats enlightening.

Dook_In_The_Urinal

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> I guarantee that many "innocent" individuals will die due to the incorrect implementation of this device.
...can't wait for the public and private sector here in the US to start using these on a regular basis.

newgalactic

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> i bet the company that sold these is hitting them selves over the head for only selling these things for 7500 a piece, its the us military, they could have asked triple the price for these. (not that the H/W is worth more than $500)

citizen024

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> everyone take the Lie Detector test at Coney Island this summer.

riqgeez

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @flyboy: Hey, that's low!

But I still don't get your point. Yes, men leave tangible proof of whether or not they had an orgasm or not. Which is why I was asking Nutbastard (then retracted) how he would fake that anyway.

@Juggrnott: The same to you, my good friend! :D

Guizzy

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> As far as I know, all stress based lie detectors are pretty much worthless with anyone who knows how to recognize the control question.

kelptocratic

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @riqgeez: Whats The Wire?

Curves

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @Guizzy: Wow just because you are liar does not mean everyone is :) have a nice day!

to everyone who doubts the accuracy of this device. It is not a polygraph... It is a vocal stress analyzer, created by Israeli scientist. I am not saying it is more or less acurate than a polygraph just that this is not a ploygraph :)

Juggrnott

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @Guizzy: you have to be in a position to have an orgasm to be able to fake it.

maybe that's the reason...

plus there are aspects of the male experience that might be counted as evidence (think blue dress)

Wilson Rotman

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @highfloydelity:
LOL

riqgeez

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @digodemais: you're lying?

Wilson Rotman

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> It depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

Samifumi

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> If you discuss the merits of the device from a statistical point of view (i.e. what is the sensitivity, specificity, negative predictive value, and positive predictive value)... its real helpfulness will be strongly dependent on the incidence, or number, of terrorists or Al Qaida sympathizers in Iraq. If the question list centers more on "are you or aren't you a terrorist"--the real stastic which winds up mattering most is not how often people lie, but how often people are terrorists.

The goal of the test somewhat affects its outcome. They're not seeking to find liars with this device as much as they're seeking to find terrorists (and avoid them). This changes the potential caveats of the lie detector test somewhat, in my opinion.

If the device is simply designed to exclude or shun someone who could be a threat--versus shoot or incarcerate the person--then this could be valuable.

scarbrtj

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @nutbastard: ... Aren't you a guy? How could you fake an orgasm anyway?

Wait, forgettaboutit. I don't want to know.

Guizzy

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @youknowit: We should obviously invest in truth detectors instead.

cyborgtroy

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> So what are the troops in Iraq gonna do? Hold this lie detector in the face of a suspected suicide bomber and just when they get the answer they were looking for . . . BOOM - the Lie detector worked!

riqgeez

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @Curves:
That was on The Wire.

riqgeez

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @Guizzy:
"When a collegue does a bad joke, I still laugh even if it wasn't even nearly funny."

that's the one thing i don't do. and fake orgasms. two things.

nutbastard

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> If you use dynamic MRI, voice stress, and heart beat/skin resistance simultaneously, you'll still only be able ascertain what the subject BELIEVES to be true.

nutbastard

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @digodemais: Right; the proportion of what people say being lies is probably higher than 95%. How many times a day do you answer "How are you?" without even thinking about it? Every time I help someone at work, I end the call saying how it's no big deal and I'm glad I could help them. When someone asks me why software X does or doesn't do Y, I tell them either I don't know when I certainly have at least a few guesses, or that I do know just to reassure them. When a collegue does a bad joke, I still laugh even if it wasn't even nearly funny.

Politeness is mostly lying. The amount of small lies human interaction is based on is tremendous. We just rarely stop to think about it.

Guizzy

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @Curves: Unless you count 'The Wire' and 'Homicde: Life on the Street' as real life, gonna chalk that one up to Urban Legend and short attention span on behalf of TV viewers

Hiphopopotamus

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @mikehtiger: Darn right! Best way to defeat any lie detector, including the organic kind (usually called "women"). Condition your brain to "accept" a lie as a fact. When your thoughts lead you to investigate any hole in the "evidence", turn your thoughts to something else, refuse to acknowledge you are lying until the "danger" is gone. You can lie with surprising sincerity that way.

Guizzy

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> Adam, this is your father. Darrone is right. Your mother and I see how you look at your hot sister even now, while under the impression that you are blood relatives. She is gorgeous and you are weak-willed. I'm sorry it has to be this way.

P.S. Your mother says you should call more often.

gibson042

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> @Monty: 95% of people lie does not mean that 95% of what people say is a lie.

About the mini lie detector: If even the big one is unreliable, how can they trust this one? I rather they go on instinct and evidence as opposed to trusting in this thing.

Digo

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> If a soldier has a gun and lie detector pointed at me, I am guessing the stress will influence that things accuracy.

A lot of people are gonna get shot because of this.

Hiphopopotamus

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> I read a story someplace (I wished I had saved the link) of a police department that put a metal colandar on some guys head with some wires attached to it that they ran to office copier and every time he answered a question, they hit the copy button and out came a sheet of paper that said "HE IS LYING". They actually got the guy to confesss this way, and its admissable in court.

Curves

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> Remember! "It's not a lie if you believe it!"

mikehtiger

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> He just *had* to be black, huh?

highfloydelity

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> Include this with your Home Paternity DNA test [www.paternity-answers.com] and the Military is set for their new policy regarding husbands and wives to live together in Iraq [blogs.usatoday.com]

James

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> reality of this product: at first you it will be cool and will be able to tell if someone is telling a lie

Stage two: companies, organizations and groups will use it to filter information.

Stage three: everyone one will know how to lie to beat the machine and become a better lier overall.

Result: we increase our efficiency and ability to lie.

youknowit

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> Why does the U.S. love fake science so much? Lie detectors don't work except on people that believe they do. And the good they do is make the subject so nervous they confess anyway.

worsethannormal

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> Where's the hand held water-boarding attachment?

MagnoliaBoy

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> GI in Afghanistan: Is this the best heroin I can get?
Taliban: Yes, it's the best... Osama himself loves it. BEEEEEEPP

qbrad

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> Given how often that human beings lie, what is the point of a lie detector anyway? I could give you a Tic-Tac box with a label on it that says 'Lie' and you could hold that up to anyone talking and it would be 95% accurate.

Monty

]]> <![CDATA[Military Deploying Hand-Held Lie Detectors to Troops]]> Let me save you some money. With me, No, Yes, and because then they wouldn't be able to keep you off you adopted sister.

Darrone

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