<![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> Hey I say good for them. As long as it doesn't come pre-installed with OSX then apple cant say jack Sh*t!

Boots_Mcoy

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> Who knows what is really sold in these boxes as hardware to cost $400?

o0pinkfish0o

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> WOW that's completely stupid! (Except maybe for the low price hardware.. but who knows where those hardwares come from and what really is in these boxes.)

I run Mac OS Leopard on my Sony Vaio.. I'm using it as I'm typing this right now. It did not cost me a $ except for the Sony Vaio indeed. Everyone with a Intel processor can run a modified version of Mac OS (Hackintosh)

o0pinkfish0o

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> UMAX, UMAX, UMAX. No, no, no.

If Ives hasn't personally agonised over the angle of my screen bevel then I don't want it.

jbang

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> I am running kalyway now on my hackintosh. Vanilla kernal too. All one needs is Intel hardware. The only thing special about it is the disc allows OSX to run on a machine without EFI. But aside from that it's stable. And I can upgrade it.
Soon there will be motherboards with EFI built in and there will be nothing stopping anyone from just buying an off the shelf copy of leopard to run on it.
You'd be surprised at how many different hardware combinations Leopard can run on without any support from apple. And reliably too.

archer75

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> I think there is a practical aspect to this question. I don't think it's a coincidence that Apple just beefed up its legal department. It is hard for them to keep the kind of slice they have in the market without putting a fight for it. And I would be really surprised if Prystar wasn't just a front for bigger PC manufacturers.

Even Apple could be doing it because they wish to continue to eat into the Windows market in the coming years that will witness a global economic recession. A good salesman will try to get whatever amount of money you have -- and many will have substantially less in the coming years. Moreover, this is an ideal way to go about opening up to a wider market without taking the blame for it.

What Prystar is doing is risky and therefore something that bigger manufacturers couldn't possibly do. It is perhaps the case that it is a small operation with perhaps a we-don't-know-you-if-you-get-caught type background. I would love to see this come through.

I think part of Apple's advantage in especially security was the fact that it was a small number of people who used Apples. This is no longer the case. They need to be better integrated with the market unless they want to do all OSX-related software development.

The worry about quality control is kind of moot. I am sure hardware manufacturers would be happy to pick up the tab if that means better sales (and less money spent on customer service, if OSX is such a fantastic operating system).

At any rate, I think this is less an ad hoc operation appealing to the hackintosh community and more an indication of the tensions within the current PC market.

hkucuk

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @trekkie: True. I was alive at the time too, though I was working in a smaller shop (3 clones, 4 Macs, and a PC, if I'm remembering correctly). I'd completely forgotten about the availability thing...come to think of it that's why we bought at least one of the clones in the first place. Then we realized it did the same thing as the Macs and bought two more.

eblack

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @MINI Driver:

Just keep yelling, eventually it will come true!

Weezie

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> iBoi's everywhere! I say the same thing I say about any non-mac running OSX, isn't that the point behind running OSX is that it's optimized for your hardware? So unless this thing is packing the same hardware for less, no way jose. Also I'd like to point out that of all the articles I've rechecked today. This one is the longest, I suspect due to the Apple nature of the post.

jackfrost132

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @MINI Driver: The study you linked doesn't say anything about hardware quality, just how likely users are to call tech support.

@diabolusunknown: What will hurt Apple with a computer like this if it hits the mainstream, is that people might not understand that they're buying an unsupported product. If Mac OS X is unstable on their McClone, they'll blame Apple, not the manufacturer. Ditto if they install an update that breaks their computer ('non-safe update', as Psystar calls it).

kvasi

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> System architecture...

whiteTshirtRob

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @diabolusunknown:

Suggest you read my post - at no point did I say that Apple used different hardware.

However, they do design the PCB, PSU, layout, cooling, cabling, the complete package.

Then they spend $$$ on R&D to make sure it's up to their standards.

Then they manufacture to their standards, test top their standards, and have the best hardware on the market, according to 3rd party support companies (as noted).

If it was all 'the same' then they'd be no fucking difference between manufacturers - when clearly there is a huge difference in quality.

Does that make it simple enough for you to grasp?

MINI Driver

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @MINI Driver:
There are no apple components.

I can buy the same Intel processors apple uses in a store.

Same goes for the hard drives, graphic cards, chipset/MB combos, ram, etc. etc.

Don't be ignorant to reality. Theres nothing special about Apple branded hardware anymore. The days of Power are gone, and some people miss the differentiating comfort.

And if other companies jump in and start manufacturing Mac Clones of varying types and configurations (assuming they can), then Apple better get more iPods out there. Not that they are going to kill Apples hardware sales, but one more mac clone sold to a consumer is one less sold by Apple themselves. That hurts them more than you think.


diabolusunknown

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> So far this machine looks like a good deal. I wish apple would do something like this...but this was an interesting move by the company. The video card is upgradable, which makes it a very interesting machine, and cheaper than a dell.

socioecoboy

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @Weezie:

They may pay for better hardware - only they would know - they certainly spend more time and money designing how that hardware is built into the final device, QA'd, tested etc.

The support data clearly speaks to that point, and is more revealing than just the blind assumptions that 'they are all the same' - as clearly they're not!

MINI Driver

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @alphanuderek1980:

My bad!

Weezie

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> Weezie: You are clearly missing the point. Macs = rad * a gazillion PC's = neanderthal calculators Get hip dude, don't you see all those commercials the kids are raving about these days?

alphanuderek1980

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @MINI Driver:

That doesn't answer the question. Are you saying that Apple hardware really is all that different? They happen to get the "good" Seagates while HP/Dell gets the "bad" Seagates? etc.

Weezie

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @Weezie:

A fun Quiz question for PC Fanboys is to ask them why their supposedly 'identical' internal hardware has more issues, and fails more often, than the Apple hardware?

See here: [tech.yahoo.com]

'Who's got the most reliable computers? In an analysis of calls received by its tech support centers compared with the market share of the vendor, RescueCom has named Apple the far-and-away most reliable computer vendor in the U.S.'

'A high number indicates less of a need for service for that brand, while lower numbers mean more service is required.

Full results follow (with total score in parenthesis, for comparative use):

Apple (357)
Lenovo/IBM (236)
HP (126)
Gateway (103)
Dell (94)
Others (79)'

MINI Driver

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @HeartBurnKid:

Yep - low standards in that case

MINI Driver

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> Part of the reason that I'd rather Apple never license out to clones is because it may hark the end of the product key-less OS days. I rather like not requiring online activation to use my purchase, and if Apple were to set themselves into the Microsoft model, you can kiss the lower software prices and "open" OS X goodbye.

Kaiser-Machead on the Edge

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> A fun quiz for Mac fanboys is to ask them which components in their macs are totally unique and different from what you can get in PC's (aside from the macbook air proc).

Weezie

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> XMAC!

socioecoboy

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @MINI Driver: Yes, because that's exactly what I do when I build my own PCs. I just throw a bunch of components into a box.

This may surprise you, but we have this new thing called "standards".

HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> dOk: Yeah, they were doing so well they nearly went out of business.

kvasi

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @alphanuderek1980:

Quality engineering costs $$$ pure and simple.

Of course, you could assume that Psystar do have the huge R&D budget to throw at this, and have decided to simply eat that cost in order to deliver the same quality product for $400.........

Doesn't look like they spent more than $10 on the case design....

MINI Driver

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @HeartBurnKid:

That's right, you just slap a bunch of components into a box, any old how, and a quality piece of hardware just happens......

MINI Driver

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> whats funny about all of this is that Apple's market share rose that fastest ever during the original "Clone Wars".
Apple could have taken over during that period of time because they could have grabbed 50% or more of the market but they got greedy and forced the clone makers out of business.
Except for one or tow of the companies ( who had made fantastic technological advances on the Mac design)so they brought those companies and assimilated them into apple.

dOk

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> This is interesting. But I haven't seen any platform that's as smooth and easy to use as OS X on a genuine Mac.
Hackintosh, Linux, XP/Vista, none of them are as good. I'm still waiting for a company to come along and offer exactly what Apple offers, only cheaper.

A Puckish Satire of Contemporary Mores

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @MINI Driver: Bravo, bullet proof argument. Seeing as apparently you know this $400 machine is indeed junk from your experience testing one and the fact that there has never been anyone that has had problems with any Apple hardware, software, or support, I forthwith retract all statements made.

alphanuderek1980

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @MACPollo: No I know about the memory and hard drive are not an issue, but if I remember correctly the video card is only upgradeable if you buy a Mac Pro and the cheapest configuration you can purchase one of those new is about 2,300 bucks. If I'm wrong please correct me. If these machines have pci/pci-e slots I'm sold.

Cheers

alphanuderek1980

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @Samifumi: I'll take that WXQGA Dell monitor off your hands for you :D

lafond66

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @MINI Driver: If you really believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

Mac OS X is a fine piece of work, and from what I hear, AppleCare really is as good as they claim, but seriously, the whole PC component market is somewhat commoditized at this point. If you think Apple's really doing "awesome R&D" on anything except styling, or that their QC is so much better than, say, HP or Lenovo, then you might have had just a wee bit too much Kool-Aid there. Your Mac contains an Intel processor, an Intel chipset, Intel or ATI graphics depending on model... where does all this "awesome R&D" go?

HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> Great way to rewrite history. Just about everyone was pushing Apple to make their OS available to other companies back in the day. You can blame Gil all you want, but at the time, everything thought Apple needed to focus on the OS.

usa1

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @alphanuderek1980:

Of course $400 gets you awesome R&D, best in breed QC, top of the line components......

MINI Driver

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @Rodime:

So you just throw an Intel in a case, and that makes them all equal?

Dream on buddy - you have a very simplistic view of hardware design, QC and manufacturing.

MINI Driver

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @MACPollo: You can't add a network or graphic card to a Mac Mini or an iMac. If you want that kind of expandibility, which is part of every $200 PC, you need to buy a $2500 Mac Pro. So yeah.

Frankly, I love this idea. People forget that the whole reason that the clone era was so bad for Apple is because PowerComputing, UMAX, etc. essentially made better computers than Apple did, for cheaper than Apple sold them.

HeartBurnKid, creepy morbid freak

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @Rodime: Hardware is important but how the OS handles the hardware is equally important. Which is why Vista sucks compared to XP. Both come from the same company, but one does a better job of handling resources than another.

Joseph

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @Sleeper_Service: LMAO "Packard Bells" hahaha I can't believe you brought them up!

Joseph

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @MINI Driver: ... intel inside. for both. therefore, macs are only as good as PCs on the inside, where it counts.

Rodime

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @DaOtter: aside for upgradeability? ... isn't that the whole POINT of a computer? (okay, maybe not the whole point)

I like being able to buy a $150 hardware upgrade (videocard? hard drive? ram? whatever!) to my computer to keep it up to date - much better than having to spend $2500 on a new mac for newer hardware and be left with an old computer I don't need.

Rodime

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @alphanuderek1980: Macs can be upgraded indeed, if by 'upgrade' we think of what the vast majority of computers users think: increase memory and / or hard disk size, adding network or graphic cards...

You can do that to a Mac. You can't change yourself the motherboard or stuff like that, but, again, those are not average user capabilities, provided they even need it.

Regards.

MACPollo

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> ...and the site is down.

Joseph

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @trekkie:

Who really cares what it looks like? It's what it's made of that matters. I'd be interested to see the component brands used for the mobo and memory.

Sleeper_Service

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> reminds me of that pic of the Volkswagen Beetle with the Rolls Royce grid on it - interesting to look at, once - but would you really want to own one?

media_lush

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> Funny enough, I watched this over the weekend.

[www.archive.org]

alphanuderek1980

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> hmmm,
Wasn't IBM's giant anti-trust loss because they controlled both the hardware and os?


Frankthesalesforecaster

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> Time to Google "I think we're a clone now."

Schalliol

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @MINI Driver:

Interesting, so you've got your hands on one of these machines and can speak for the quality?

As for upgradeability, pshhh, who wants that? Silly PC users.....

alphanuderek1980

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @Sleeper_Service:

No - we're comparing a Mac to a factory version of a home-brew system.

The quality is just there for everyone to see,,,,,,

MINI Driver

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> eblack: actually, as someone being alive at the time and working at a place that had over 1000 macintosh desktops the reason the clones were so successful is because they shipped something. There were month long backlogs for Apple hardware, order a clone, it was there the next day. Order a PCI Power Mac like the 7200 or 7600 and it'd take months to get. That's why they hurt Apple, first and foremost, is cuz apple couldn't make/ship things at the time.

trekkie

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> Sleeper_Service: yeah cuz clearly it looks just like the Mac Mini it's specs mimic.

trekkie

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @MINI Driver:

Hey, not criticising Apple. If you guys want to contribute to their profits that's your call.

However, the 'cheap ass' PC is a silly argument. We're not comparing Macs to Packard Bells here.

Sleeper_Service

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @Sleeper_Service:

And of course making a profit as a company is a terrible crime against humanity......

If you can't see the difference between cheap-ass PC hardware and a Mac, then you should go visit a good optometrist.

MINI Driver

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> href="#c5176592">Kaiser-Machead: I agree, it's a waste of time, and might create serious headaches for people running Silver Doors, Blue & Whites, or older systems.

tamoko

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @PJK:

If they license out to third party companies to make Apple compatible computers that will eat away at Apples revenue. Because why would one buy a $2000 Apple branded computer when they can get a Mac compatible for $1000.

It's one of the main reasons why when Jobs came back, killed this business model and actually bought Power Computing (Mac clone maker) to shut it down.

Apple is a hardware and software company. That's why I could never understand the comparisons between Apple v. Microsoft. Microsoft only develops the operating system. (personal computer / mobile phone speaking).

joeyjoeyjoey

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> Apple's market share went down when they started doing licensing because their licensees made better computers than them, and sold them for cheaper.

If Apple's business model hadn't been so dependent on high hardware margins, they would probably have been fine. As it is, they tend to have pretty affordable software, and charge a premium for hardware, which doesn't lend itself to cloning.

eblack

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @Kaiser-Machead: It would be tough, and a disaster PR move, IMO, but my only point is that by using such a computer, you would open yourself to such actions, and you'd have no legal recourse. Aside from upgradability, I don't see any benefits to this hack box.

DaOtter

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> On another note:
I called the number on their website (google psystar and click the "cached" link next to the URL) and spoke to Mark. I asked if they were still for sale, they are, and also mentioned they may be releasing a new model today. I asked about Apple and he said they hadn't contacted them.

I also asked if I go pick one up (my family lives in Miami) and told me to email them because he wasn't sure.

meccanikal

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @DaOtter: Should they sell them pre-installed with Leopard, yes, they would be defeated in court on a copyright infringement action easily. Should they sell them without any OS, and leave it to consumer which OS they will install, then you get into the realm of Fair Use defenses.

Should Apple get TOO oppressive, and fight PsyStar on a secondary liability theory (contributing to copyright infringement), there could be hell to pay with regards to antitrust litigation either here in the United States, AND/OR in Europe (where the money is these days). Apple has a very fine line to travel along at this point. They would be best served licensing out Leopard to partners like this, but limiting the features a bit to avoid looking like an oppressive juggernaut.

Samifumi

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @jackfrost132: I thought you weren't supposed to be here today?! o.0

DaOtter

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @DaOtter: I doubt Apple would actually consider working on pinpointing clones to try to eliminate updates. If they did, I wonder what would happen to those people who upgrade the processors and other components in their G4 systems, like ones with Sonnet processor upgrades.

Kaiser-Machead on the Edge

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @CutePuppyz: Never go ass to mouth Randall!

jackfrost132

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> wow if the site ever goes back up i'd buy one...

f0rge

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> "This License allows you to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time."

This seems clear to me. Unless some legal eagle fancies laughing in the face of a C&D over the somewhat potentially vague meaning of "Apple-Labeled". I've got a mountain of Apple stickers gathered over the years.

Gizmo

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> <-- Hugs my Hackintosh and kisses my Kalyway statue on my desk.

Lester56

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> One thing to remember is that you do not get Leopard with $400. You need to pay aditional to get Leopard. Ditto with iLife. That approaches the Mac Mini price range. Better form factor and also legal support.
This product is for people who think they have modding skillz and want to customize their computer.

cylonite

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @scarbrtj: Ah... "the Clone Wars"... For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times... before the Empire.

tamoko

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> "Once upon a time, back when most Apple fanboys were still playing with Mr. Potato"

Wow, and I was producing radio spots on ProTools on a PowerComputing box around that time.

joeyjoeyjoey

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> any one know what case they are using there?

JuiceDaddy

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> This shows just how much of a margin Apple make on Macs.

Carry on.

Sleeper_Service

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @Samifumi: Unlikely. Unless I'm really missing my guess, Apple runs the same type of EULA's as most software manufacturers these days: the kind that says you don't actually own the software, and thus can't do whatever you want. You know, like the RIAA tried to prove with music? Licensing is a bitch. Depending on the exact wording in the EULA, I think Apple has a rock solid legal case. I expect this Hackintosh to die off REALLY soon if they sell pre-installed.

If they just sell a computer that "can" run Leopard, like you suggest, they won't get a lot of press, but Apple could legitimately shut users off of things like updates because the usage of the OS violates the EULA. In the end, no one wins. :(

DaOtter

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @PJK: In the end, OS X is Apple's construction of open-source technologies. They can't survive on the retail cost of OS X and a few meager licensees (do you really think that Microsoft would make this easy for them?)

Kaiser-Machead on the Edge

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> apparently the infallibility of OSX is derived from the fact that it only runs on one type of machine and is regulated by one manufacturer. or at least that's what Apple says. To be honest I don't really know why OSX is so solid.

IMO this is a great idea that I wish had stayed around on it's first run all those years ago but to be able to run Leopard and the "good" adobe suite on a $400 computer sounds like a dream.

Lavallee017

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> PJK: It commoditizes the machines, overstimulating competition, driving price to be the ultimate point of differentiation between brands - which leads to massive cost-cutting on parts and labor and customer support in order to maintain company margins. How's Gateway doing these days?

Hiphopopotamus

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @PJK: If you're an Apple shareholder, you'd be against it. The Vista problems have opened the door for Apple to capitalize on it's supposedly rock solid OS X, and it will try like mad to ensure they monopolize the hardware market that runs OS X. Apple drafted the EULA to prevent this, but if PsyStar is smart, they will only sell the machine that "could" run Leopard, not actually sell it with Leopard installed.

Samifumi

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> I don't know about you guys, but those was dark days back in the Clone Era. And every publication (like MacWorld, etc.) was heralding the opening to clones as Apple's only way to survive, and why Wintel was so dominant.

An era best left forgotten. On the other hand, wish I'd bought more Apple stock in those days.

scarbrtj

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> CutePuppyz

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> beacause the reason it is "infallible" is that it only runs on certain hardware configs that wont make it run poorly, doesnt have to work with "random graphics card from 1997", or "discontinued DVD burner" and also because Apples margins on hardware is what funds their software development.

redkamel

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> Commercialized Hackintosh? Nice try. Although I must say, my self-built Hackintosh is a smooth as silk. Kalyway FTW.

iPhony

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> I'm sorry but how is opening up a platform a bad idea? How could anyone be against greater accessibility to the supposedly infallible OS/X at far more affordable prices on a greater selection of customisable hardware?

PJK

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> @NNTPgrip: I'm in the same position as you (Dell 30" collecting dust and prefer Mac) but have a more favorable view of the Mac Pro as being a relative bargain compared to other desktops on the market.

Samifumi

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> If they had a $600 model that would give me dual-link DVI, I would be on it. I have a MacBook, but I'll be damned if I'll pay $2500 for a Mac Pro to switch my desktop just so my 30" Dell doesn't go to waste.

NNTPgrip

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> Here's the link I sent in... It's better than the link provided because this one isn't down. Lol.

[apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com]

MBPro

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> Psh, I sent this in too.

MBPro

]]> <![CDATA[Psystar Sells Mac Clone, Becomes Son of Daystar]]> This is brilliant. Apple will institute a contributory copyright infringement action against PsyStar, but if the user ultimately purchases Leopard from an Apple and installs it themselves on the clone, capitalize on "Fair Use" defenses. Boom indeed.

Samifumi

]]>