<![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers - Gizmodo Comments]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Rabid Penguin

Very true. Here in Canada we don't have such problems with guns. Oh we own guns, as many per capita as in the US, akshuley; but we you just can't pull the trigger wearing mittens all the time. So we stick to clubbing baby seals.

sharmanova

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> STD meaning Severe Tire Damage, of course. Although I suppose chlamydia might also be an effective deterrent...

frndlybnny

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> In my area, we've had several students killed while attempting to cross the street. And a couple weeks ago, I had old women honking at me, going around me while I stopped for a bus with its STOP flaps out. I think the lolli-cam isn't enough: the crossing guards should get EMPs to fry these cars. Oooh! Or they could have STD thingies at the crossings. That would be frickin' awesome.

frndlybnny

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> Am I the only one that finds this adorable?

Gann

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @jabber: If that was a joke, then I do apologize. There really was no way to tell it though. That "don't snitch" thing is just one concept that absolutely baffles me and infuriates me at the same time.

SgtMac02

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> In before BORG joke?

HEY! My Archos 604 lipstick cam didn't come with that optional attachment!

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @SgtMac02
Thanks Sgt for your infinite lack of awareness when it comes to sarcasm and jest. Please take the large stick out of your ass the next time when you read my post. Much appreciated.

jabber

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Addy Dugdale: [(squealing like a schoolgirl) She wrote back to me, she wrote back to me!!!]

You ARE superstrong!

We thank you for takin' it for the team!

How's the hangover?

ps61318

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Darrone: If these were state laws then no one told the stores and restaurants in the county. They were open all day on Sunday. There was even a resturant named Just Outside of Town. They were always popular for Sunday lunch because they opened before anyone else.

baltwade

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @jabber: And you, my friend...are an idiot. I'll remember not to tell the cops who ass raped your mother and sister, and cut off your testicles while I watched and laughed.
Douchebag.

SgtMac02

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> As they say in the nabe, no snitching...else.

jabber

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @baltwade: Passed by the state senate, it is indeed a state-law.

"In the town I grew up in no business was allowed to open on Sunday before 1:00pm. This was in noway a state law but a local ordinance and they finally did away with it." These are called Blue Laws, also state laws in New England. CT can't sell liquor on Sunday or after 9PM, mass just got rid of these, and RI still has them.

Again, these are state laws, passed by state senate's, and enforced by the police. They are stupid, and pointless. There is absolutely no reason to bar the sale of liquor on sunday.

Darrone

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Darrone: It sounds like to me that what you are talking about are city or local ordinances.

In the town I grew up in no business was allowed to open on Sunday before 1:00pm. This was in noway a state law but a local ordinance and they finally did away with it.

Lots of towns, especially on the east coast, have passed ordinances to protect historical distracts and buildings, but what you're describing, colored Christmas lights, seems more like a restriction placed on certain neighborhoods by their HOA, but none of these are state or federal laws.

baltwade

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Rabid Penguin:
"American's clean their shit up..."

Sorry for the confusion this may have caused.

Rabid Penguin

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @sharmanova:
That's because American's are more efficient than Europeans... Europeans would probably run over a few school children and keep going... American's clean there shit up, no witnesses - That's the American way.

Lazy Europeans.

Rabid Penguin

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> theyre buying them freakin archos media players? how completely useless is that

elislider

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @baltwade: I said it WAS a statewide law regarding historical landmarks, and it was widened 6 years ago giving towns the ability to individually determine there own criteria for historical landmarks. Thus, you have towns setting precedents for state-wide laws. not good idea, bad idea. There are many towns worth than mine. MUCH worse. Some won't allow colored x-mas lights, plastic lawn ornaments. It's a state-wide law that has become the lawn-fashion police. It's utterly ridiculous.

And no, we all didn't burn down 50 years ago. I'm in New England and the corner stone on the church read 1629, so there is plenty of actual historical landmarks to choose from.

Darrone

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> Good thing this isn't in the US. There, the drivers would shot the camera ladies before they ran over the school kids.

sharmanova

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Darrone: So, in your state all buildings built before the 1950's are considered a historical landmark?

Where do yo live, and did it burn down or something about 50 years ago?

baltwade

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @baltwade: Thanks for the reply, but you're completely incorrect. It is not a home owners rules, or related to any form of association, but rather a State-wide law relating to historical landmarks (which was widened 6 years ago to include almost anything, anywhere over 50 years old).

Darrone

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @SgtMac02: I'm not sure about the not using radar thing, but speeds can be estimated.

I've been told that they will sometimes pick two markers and time how quickly you pass between the two and they can tell if you are at least 10 mph over. The other is they can do a pace or reverse pace, where they drive behind or in front of you for a set period of time and get your speed based on their speedometer.

Veeber

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @ps61318
Yeah. I read everything so that you guys don't have to.

AddyDugdale

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Munch: Yeah! you tell 'em!

graffiksguru

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @GadgetPlay:

Agreed.

I95? Speed limit? Near philly its either 85MPH or GTFO of the way.

In the burbs, we have cops that sit around the school zones when the 15MPH light is enforced. Everyone slows down regardless, but this one bloat decided to blow around me and got busted in no time flat, just this morning.

If someones impatient and its a one laner i have NO PROBLEM dipping down to 8mph.

Viva La Volvo

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @GadgetPlay: OK, so let me follow the flow of logic. They aren't allowed to give you a ticket unless you are more than 10mph over (unless they have you on radar). They aren't allowed to use radar.
This raises many questions. First, how would they know if you were or were not more than 10 mph over. Second, if you were more than 10mph over, and therefore eligible to be ticketed, how do they know what to write the ticket for? They can't prove what speed you were going!
I'm very confused...

SgtMac02

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @ripfire4:
I don't think hiring more patrolmen to watch traffic and stand on the streets is generally needed either though. And it would look too much like a martial state, so you can't do that :c) instead we use cameras...

I think there are better uses for our tax money.

Rabid Penguin

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @ps61318: Yeah, but it does rub me the wrong way (if I'm already in a bad mood) when the bus in front of me stops every 100 yards so that the morbidly obese kid doesn't have to walk up a hill. Don't worry - I'm fat - so that comment was okay.

Munch the BanNail

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @djheath: Hey, Addy - you gonna let this guy's comments about your taste in reading material just slide????

ps61318

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> It really is amazing to see how much personal privacy and freedom people are willing to forgo under the guise of increased "security and safety." Wouldn't traffic cams at intersections already remedy this kind of problem? Realizing that you can be tracked and viewed just about anywhere in modern countries is enough to make me want to go off the grid, but I am a whore to technology so I guess that is not possible (yes, please put GPS in my new iPhone please)

TOWken22

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Rabid Penguin: And even though it's technically public property, setting up cameras as permanent fixtures for 24-hour surveillance is a little disconcerting.

Well it's no different than hiring more patrolman that will cover more locations and does 24 hour shifts.

ripfire

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Munch: Wow, that's funny stuff! I sure hope your tongue is in your cheek.

'cause otherwise it belongs in a Cuisinart.

I'm jus' sayin'.

ps61318

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Darrone: and Darrone drags out the "slippery slope" fallacy! Woo Hoo! Get your critical thinking hats on, class.

Not every law enacted is stupid. Not every additonal video camera is necessarily a threat to your civil liberties. Mother's milk does NOT lead to heroin.

If you are doing things that you are ashamed of, then of course you won't like cameras.

ps61318

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Curves: Unless it's a divided highway / road. Then oncoming traffic does not have to stop, because buses by law are not allowed to have their passengers cross divided roads.

ViperBorg

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Rabid Penguin: Actually in actuality, while prima facia laws exist in Ohio as well, it is bidirectional - if you are going above what is deemed a safe and reasonable speed for the prevailing conditions, you will get a ticket.

It is actually much more uncommon to successfully overturn a speeding ticket because the conditions were so nice that the speed limit was superceded by a prima facia law. Possible, but rare. The negative is much more common.

@Jechro: [weeping] We hardly knew ye. Thank goodness.

ps61318

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Munch: LOLZ. I can't believe the kids get to wait in the house instead of at a general bus stop.

When I was going to school, if you missed the bus, you were SOL. And we had newspapers for shoes.

kalashnikov

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Curves:
If we're going to nitpick about not endangering the children, one might point out that children might be in the vehicles near you while you're speeding. It's a bit self-centered to say that speeding doesn't endanger the people around you.

secretmanofagent

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @ripfire4:
True, but speeding does not negatively impact someone else's liberties. Unless driving unsafely, but speeding does not always equal unsafe driving. Felonies do negatively impact someone else's liberties (destruction/stealing of personal property, bodily harm, etc). Again, speeding is not always against the law (depending on state and situation).

And even though it's technically public property, setting up cameras as permanent fixtures for 24-hour surveillance is a little disconcerting.

Rabid Penguin

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Pluton: I got a good chuckle out of that one.

It could be a brilliant idea. Replace all those pole mounted cameras that are vulnerable to vandalism with old ladies.

wjousts

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> Allow me to be the childless Grinch on this one. While I agree that it is important to stop cars for school busses and kiddie crossings, those lil' runny-nosed bastards really need to start walking with a sense of purpose if we're going to stop traffic for 'em. There are times when I'm stuck behind a school bus that I can be close to ten minutes late to work.

There is a 3 mile road that I take to work, and the bus stops 15 times on that road so that the butterballs don't have to walk in excess of 100 yards to get to a stop (some of the stops are well under 100 yards apart), and the bus driver won't pull onto a side road so that traffic doesn't get mangled. To add onto the problem, many of the kids wait in their houses until the bus pulls up, and then they leisurely stroll to the bus stop, while the bus driver patiently waits for them - traffic stopped - instead of driving off to teach the kids that the world doesn't revolve around them (houses are in the $1 mil range, and their shit-don't-stink parents would probably get the bus driver fired if their little darlings had to face the indignity of missing the bus). I understand that your children are the most important thing in the world to you, but they're just small, absent-minded humans to me (and you won't see a bus or train waiting for a tardy businessman).

I agree that children need to be protected, but they also need to be aware of the fact that negative actions have negative consequences. You're running late - you're going to miss the bus.

If you want to drag ass to get to the bus, the driver should leave you. Why should I have to be late to work so that you can drag ass to get to the bus.

Oh, and Bah Humbug (followed by some other grumpy-old-man expressions too)

Stay off my lawn, you little shits!

Munch the BanNail

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Rabid Penguin: Even if felony is not the same as misdemeanor, both are still defined as breaking the law. The only difference is in severity.

ripfire

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> To be fair about crosswalks versus buses tho, a crosswalk will only impede you for about 30 seconds as people cross the road. If you stuck behind a school bus however I can understand people getting impatient having to stop every 65 seconds and wait for those slow ass schoolkids to get off their bannana buses.

I would never try to get the jump ona schoolbus though

pevans34

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> Undoubtedly, this is like a surveillance camera in a grocery/convenience/retail store. The only time the camera will be looked at is if there's an incident. It seems more likely they have a recording unit they switch on when they start their shift. If something happens, they can log the incident, send in the tape, and replace it.

BigDanInTX

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Rabid Penguin:"And as my original post stated it is not always against the law to drive over the speed limit.

I'm afraid it is always against the law to drive faster than the posted speed limit. You might not get a ticket for it and it may be the safest way to drive at the time, but it is always illegal.

baltwade

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> Why would anyone be so paranoid about public cameras? The keyword here is "Public". You know. Places where cops would normally patrol anyway. So what if you're being recorded. No one is going to care if you get caught shifting your gears. Like what Mitch said, no one will have enough time to watch all those videos; it's mainly used to track suspects. If you believe you're a suspect, then you know you've done something wrong and you might as well turn yourself in.

ripfire

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @sparx104:
Felony != Misdemeanor

I'd rather have people driving a few miles over the speed limit than stealing each others cars. Driving over the speed limit does not always equate to unsafe driving. And as my original post (Rabid Penguin) stated it is not always against the law to drive over the speed limit.

Rabid Penguin

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> There was another version of this on the news earlier - they have the cameras in the poles.

It's not the cameras that are the problem though - it's the idiot drivers who seem to think that speeding/abusing people is a good idea. Stuff the 1000quid fine - they are not fit to drive - they should have their license revoked.

Laws exist for a reason. By speeding you are still breaking a law. What if I decide to break the law that says I cannot steal your car? Don't like that do we?.

Also, the local lollypop lady is a menace - the number of cars who get hit with the pole as she turns around whilst stood on the pavement is amazing.

-end-rant-

sparx104

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Darrone: "The fact is the government enacts stupid laws every day"

What do you mean by "government"? Do you mean the National Government or do you mean local governments or both? Because your example is more of a restriction placed by a Homeowners Association and a condition you agreed to when you bought your house. You might want to look into the differences between laws and legal agreements.

baltwade

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> note to self...lollipop rage: great band name

ravedown

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> So the real question is this...

Who is going to sit down and WATCH all those videos?

Mitch

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> This reminds me a bit of the movie I saw last night, Freeze Frame where this guy was accused of murder, but he was innocent. Once he got off on the charges, he decided the best way to avoid being trapped by the Government was to record himself 24-hours a day. He had something like 6 cameras in his "house" (more like an underground fortress) plus he had a self-cam where the camera was attached to a bracket on a vest he wore. He archived his tapes hourly for ten years. Although he did it to cover his own @$$.

BigDanInTX

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @djheath: Thanks for the warning about the Daily Mail. I'll be sure to take anything coming from them with a HUGE grain of salt.

IphtashuFitz

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @uberfu:
Lol... and I was just about to congratulate you for not posting a period...

douche.

Rabid Penguin

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> I don't have a problem with this, but Ryan H makes a good point - if these are all connected to a central point it gives big brother a powerful eye. But this is atleast more practical then mounting cameras at every friggin corner.

Fierock

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> .

uberfu

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @djheath: you read Giz - Giz quoted and showcased the Daily Mail....

uberfu

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> I can see the Judge and Jury trying to follow the shaky video footage of these ladies attempting to focus their "hidden cams" onto the lciense paltes of the folks speeding thru the cross walks_

"Uh - your honor - may I be dismissed as the footage is giving me a headache?"

The Judge declares a mis-trial as he realizes he's now got a headache too_

uberfu

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> Maybe this will also help with over zealous crossing guards as well.

In my area during school hours you have to drive a certain speed. Even at this speed you have the crossing guards motioning for motorist to slow down, yelling and even giving the finger to the drivers, driving at the posted speed, while in the present of children.

joeyjoeyjoey

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @IphtashuFitz:

"If the situation is as bad in the UK as the article suggests"

The article is from the Daily Mail - our most stupid, tabloid, racist, overreacting paper the country has to offer!
Only white trash and idiots read the Daily Mail!

djheath

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> Ends: Applaudible
Means: Deplorable

92BuickLeSabre

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Rodime: I spent a month in Australia last year and other than the occasional well-marked speed camera along the side of the road I didn't see anything even remotely like what is apparently going on in the UK. I don't think you can really compare the two.

Given the sparse details in the article I think this use of video surveillance is perfectly fine. If drivers in the UK are willing to risk the safety of children and ignore these lollipop ladies then I'd be all for it. If I drove through an intersection here in the US where a crossing guard was helping people cross I'm sure I'd get pulled over if a cop witnessed it. If the situation is as bad in the UK as the article claims then they should definitely be doing something like this.

IphtashuFitz

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Monty:
Actually speed limits are guidelines... sort of... Traffic laws are a state issue, and thus can varry from state to state. Some states have absolute limits, whereby it is unlawful to drive over the speed limit at any time, while other states have prima facie laws, whereby it is legal to drive over the speed limit if you can prove it was safe (if pulled over - such as flow of traffic).

Keep in mind, it can also be unlawful at times to drive the speed limit too :c)

Rabid Penguin

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Monty: "Why is it that everyone seems to think that you can go 10 mph faster than a posted speed limit,"

Because you can, at least in PA. They're not allowed to give you a ticket for 10 or fewer miles over unless they got you on radar, and only the state bears are allowed to use radar, and they don't waste time on minor infractions when they have no shortage of people going 20 and 30MPH over. School zones are 15 MPH, and, at least in my area, people tend to do about 10, and if we saw anyone endangering a child, we would leap from our vehicles and beat the living crap out of them.

GadgetPlay

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> i dont even really see how this is a big deal, almost all major cities have cameras at intersections, this is pretty much the same thing, just on a person and for the purpose of protecting kids

daversW

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Monty: Yes, this is a problem (I have somewhere to be damnit!), but constant video surveillance is not the answer. Drugs are a problem, but CVS isn't the answer.

Laws were meant to be kept, but you can't monitor the entire nation constantly because someone might be going 46 MPH. It opens doors that cannot be closed. The fact is the government enacts stupid laws every day (I'm only allowed to paint my house certain colors because its more than 60 years old... 60! not 100, not 200, 60.) If they start enforcing every law by video surveillance, we really will be living in 1984.

Darrone

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> I thought all Brits were too polite to speed.

scarbrtj

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> New retirement Plan for Grandma. Since metal poles are getting expensive, they replace 401k with Pole-01 k. Grandma FTW!

Pluton

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> Coupled with the Long Range Engine Cutoff Device it'll be perfect.

MarlboroTestMonkey7

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> I see some reprehensible behavior when buses are stopping in my area.

strider_mt2k

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> I wish they had this where I live. I am appalled by the people I see speeding through the school zones and blowing right through a school buses lights (under state law, oncoming traffic is required to stop as well when a school bus is loading or unloading). It woudl provide legal proof to the courts where the MAXIMUM penalty should be handed down. To endanger myself speeding (I have) is one thing, to endanger children is completely unacceptable.

Curves

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> What is the deal with drivers today? Why is it that everyone seems to think that you can go 10 mph faster than a posted speed limit, pretend traffic laws are guidelines, and just generally be a menace behind a vehicle weighing thousands of pounds?

In all seriousness, drivers need to annually be forced to ride a bike or take the bus for a month out of every year so they get a perspective outside of their 'I am the center of the universe' bubble that happens behind the wheel of an automobile.

That said, good for you Granny! Get those crazy driving limey bastards!

Monty

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> bloody hell. this is why I'd never EVER want to live in the UK. Australia is bad too... And the USA is getting almost as bad as both, what with the DHS wanting their fingers in EVERYTHING...

Rodime

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Jechro: Ugh.. Noob....

I don't think this is so much Orwellian as it is just plain sad that its come to this.

homerjay

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @strider_mt2k: Yep.

Sorry, Jechro—better luck with your next Giz ID!

Wilson Rothman

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> The problem with this, or rather the lack of problem, is that little old lady mounted cameras are the obvious solution to the situation. If you really do have a large number of drivers racing through school stop zones a couple small cameras sounds like the ideal solution to me.

Where it gets tricky is when all these cameras get attached to some sort of central system and the oversight is not robust enough to prevent unwarranted access.

Ryan H

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> "I'm betting on Bathroom attendants with cameras to make sure you don't abuse the soap or toilet paper."

They already have this, all you need is 4.99, a credit card, and an internet connection.

Darrone

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> I think shower cams is the next inevitable progression. You have to make sure that nobody is wasting water.

Rabid Penguin

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> @Jechro: Banhammer

strider_mt2k

]]> <![CDATA[Crossing Guards Become Big Brothers]]> First, Wohoo!

Jechro

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