Wouldn't changing the textbooks to fit this law make the books not even legal in some states? I think that here in MD there is some kind of law that states that the evolution unit can't be subject to a disclaimer about how it is only a theory and that that the point of the unit is not to counter creationism.
It's just sickening how many of you bash creationists as a generalization. I'm a Christian and a creationist. Evolution is a theory, and to you... so is creation. So what's the difference? If you want to bash the ones passing the law, fine. Don't just generalize and demean us.
@Loren Wade Rednour: cry more you uneducated smut. Seriously move to a goddamn island with your other believers so we can get rid of your sorry ass. If you do'nt believe in evolution, please stop taking vaccines kthxbai.
@KaitouKID: I will agree on the evidence supporting our origins, however, saying someone is living a life full of "lies" is no better than any Creationist saying likewise about someone who acknowledges and agrees with the scientific theories such as evolution.
A lie is a matter of intent. Who lied, and why? Without knowing these two things, it's just a wild guess that serves only as an empty insult.
Think of an explosion. Does that cause destruction and chaos? Ive never heard of a new life form coming out of a super nova. Tell me this: Darwin himself said that his theory (Yes folks, this is a THEORY that you all are accepting as pure truth.) would be debunked if no transitional forms could be found. Here we are, many years later, and NOT ONE has been found. Explain this people?
There is a God who created this universe, that same God who is in the Bible. Those of you who done believe the Bible, look at the attacks thrown against it, NOT ONE has proven the inaccuracy of the Bible. Those of you who believe Jesus Christ was merely a good man, or worse, never existed, look at history. Even secular historians will admit, he was real. So if Jesus Was real, and the Bible has never been proven on being false, what are we left with? Creation by intelligent design, by God.
Archaeopteryx and Tiktaalik and many equine species gathered in the fossil record, for example, are transitional forms for modern bird species, reptiles/amphibians and modern equine respectively. We have plenty of transitional fossils in the fossil record, but it's extremely difficult to gather every single transitional form, because there is no such thing as an actual "missing link", compounded with the fact that millions of species die out all the time, with little to no remains left after thousands or even millions of years of decay. There's no such thing as an incomplete species. Changes over hundreds of thousands of generations are far beyond the very limited nature of labeling species.
So your statement that no transitional fossils have been found is incorrect.
I won't bother arguing about the existence of God, since one can't prove or disprove a negative, but there's also no sound alternative, in either creationist literature, or the bible, to counter evolutionary theory. So far, the evidence supporting evolution vastly outweighs the evidence against, which, as it turns out, is nothing at all.
It's one thing to say "he created it", and an entirely different thing to explain how.
@Kaiser-Machead: You could not directly respond to the fact that the bible has never been proven wrong. God is God, If He could create the universe, He can do it whatever way He wants. It says how He did it in Genesis.
@Kaiser-Machead: But I often wonder: Could creatures as unique and complex as humans have really been the result of random chance or survival of the fittest? How would "nature" know how to give us opposable thumbs and intelligence so far beyond any other creature?
@Josh Barrow: Disproving a negative is not possible. It's very possible that God is real, however, this has no effect on science in general, since there is no quantitative proof to add to it.
I have no interest in "disproving" the bible. The bible doesn't say evolution can't happen. It could just as well be God, in its infinite wisdom, silently guiding all of it, and we use our own means to figure out how.
That much is for the philosophers; the rest is up to scientists to figure out.
@Nintenboy01: Uniqueness is a funny thing. No single creature on earth is exactly the same as another, so in that regard, we humans are no more unique than even the smallest creatures on earth. Complexity is yet another. For all of the technological advances we make, no matter how far we expand into space, we won't be that much more complex than chimpanzees.
What nature "knows", is not really certain. It could be anything. It could very well be chance, and against unfathomable odds, we and everything else around us came to be somehow, but we don't really have any real answers to these questions. All we have is a very limited understanding of the mechanics of the universe and of nature on earth.
@Kaiser-Machead: Hey, I'll have you know that Clearwater is a very nice place! At least the beach. I don't really give a shit about the rest of that city. :)
@Nintenboy01: He's supporting both claims, which for many people works out fine for those religious people who don't survive on blind faith alone.
Although, that's still too much for these creationist to believe.
@switchblade saints: Who ever said that, other than you? Is "star dust" the scientific name for it or are you just making shit up to be an asshole to someone who just wants everyone to get along and believe in both? And really, I don't care what you say in your defense as I've seen your other posts, and nothing will really help you; nor do I really care what other diarrhea comes out of your brain to enlighten us during this debate.
WTF are you talking about..evolution has proof..use your eyes. It's only called a theory because Religious ppl wouldnt take in the evidence and admitt it's truth..or closest thing to it. Just like global warming..it's not really global but "universal" and is out of human control..and all you have to do is use ur eyes and look at the giant fire ball in the sky to know that..so is it still a theory to wonder how a Land Mammal...ended up being a Water Mammal...Dolphins and whales arnt "fish" thats proof retards.
@ajcali08: Evolution being proven? dude where are you getting that info? Sry, but things simply haven't been getting better... and the human race only goes back at most 8K years. *shakes head* Not millions and millions... Go study it out man!
@Tezlan: While I agree that ajcali08's comment was bat-shit-crazy at best, the theory of evolution has nothing to do with religion, the "faith" involved in believing in evolution is only in looking at a large quantity of testable data and making a supportable inference to extend the observations taken from that data into a more formal and far reaching theory. It's not PROOF I acknowledge, but it is a far cry from taking something that was written 2000+ years ago by desert nomads to be proof simply because it claims to be the "word of god".
I am still perplexed as to your concern over the age of the human race... The fact that the earth itself (regardless of how long humans have been around) has been proven to be millions of years old in and of itself throws a wrench into the creationist theory.
I don't think that if they want to believe in creationism, let them, and if they want to believe in evolution, let them. You shouldn't try to FORCE ideas upon people, or they will just hate the people who do it.
But thinking that every creationist is some god nut-job and every evolutionist is a die-hard atheist is just ignorant.
@Derek Wilkinson: You shouldn't try to FORCE ideas upon people, or they will just hate the people who do it.
Aren't they forcing each and every student in their high schools to learn about creationism/believe that evolution is not a fact by placing it in their textbooks?
What's with all the intolerance, anyway? Either way you're placing faith in something (yes, you are), but you're all just making yourselves sound like dolts with all the rage.
I find it absolutely ridiculous that Creationists refuse to believe evolution because of lack of evidence, although there is sufficient evidence, yet the theory they believe in, has absolutely no evidence to support it at all.
when did the rest of america had to start pandering to the retarded states? this is like being run by the weakest link. can we throw them back to mexico yet?
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A lie is a matter of intent. Who lied, and why? Without knowing these two things, it's just a wild guess that serves only as an empty insult.
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There is a God who created this universe, that same God who is in the Bible. Those of you who done believe the Bible, look at the attacks thrown against it, NOT ONE has proven the inaccuracy of the Bible. Those of you who believe Jesus Christ was merely a good man, or worse, never existed, look at history. Even secular historians will admit, he was real. So if Jesus Was real, and the Bible has never been proven on being false, what are we left with? Creation by intelligent design, by God.
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Archaeopteryx and Tiktaalik and many equine species gathered in the fossil record, for example, are transitional forms for modern bird species, reptiles/amphibians and modern equine respectively. We have plenty of transitional fossils in the fossil record, but it's extremely difficult to gather every single transitional form, because there is no such thing as an actual "missing link", compounded with the fact that millions of species die out all the time, with little to no remains left after thousands or even millions of years of decay. There's no such thing as an incomplete species. Changes over hundreds of thousands of generations are far beyond the very limited nature of labeling species.
So your statement that no transitional fossils have been found is incorrect.
I won't bother arguing about the existence of God, since one can't prove or disprove a negative, but there's also no sound alternative, in either creationist literature, or the bible, to counter evolutionary theory. So far, the evidence supporting evolution vastly outweighs the evidence against, which, as it turns out, is nothing at all.
It's one thing to say "he created it", and an entirely different thing to explain how.
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I have no interest in "disproving" the bible. The bible doesn't say evolution can't happen. It could just as well be God, in its infinite wisdom, silently guiding all of it, and we use our own means to figure out how.
That much is for the philosophers; the rest is up to scientists to figure out.
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What nature "knows", is not really certain. It could be anything. It could very well be chance, and against unfathomable odds, we and everything else around us came to be somehow, but we don't really have any real answers to these questions. All we have is a very limited understanding of the mechanics of the universe and of nature on earth.
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I don't think the rest of America wants to devolve with you, except maybe Clearwater, Florida.
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Although, that's still too much for these creationist to believe.
@switchblade saints: Who ever said that, other than you? Is "star dust" the scientific name for it or are you just making shit up to be an asshole to someone who just wants everyone to get along and believe in both? And really, I don't care what you say in your defense as I've seen your other posts, and nothing will really help you; nor do I really care what other diarrhea comes out of your brain to enlighten us during this debate.
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And fuck anyone who don't like the Texas.
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WTF are you talking about..evolution has proof..use your eyes. It's only called a theory because Religious ppl wouldnt take in the evidence and admitt it's truth..or closest thing to it. Just like global warming..it's not really global but "universal" and is out of human control..and all you have to do is use ur eyes and look at the giant fire ball in the sky to know that..so is it still a theory to wonder how a Land Mammal...ended up being a Water Mammal...Dolphins and whales arnt "fish" thats proof retards.
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I am still perplexed as to your concern over the age of the human race... The fact that the earth itself (regardless of how long humans have been around) has been proven to be millions of years old in and of itself throws a wrench into the creationist theory.
Oh and, Fuck Texas.
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But thinking that every creationist is some god nut-job and every evolutionist is a die-hard atheist is just ignorant.
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Aren't they forcing each and every student in their high schools to learn about creationism/believe that evolution is not a fact by placing it in their textbooks?
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What gives them the right to stuff these facts down their throats?
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(I feel sorry for those poor kids in the Texas school system, but I am sick of my state having the lime lite on this issue)
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