I love it... not the most useful thing now since my car tells me most of that, but it's right up my alley. If they made it project onto the windshield as a reflection HUD, I'd be there. #ecoroutesesp
Pretty clever, actually... and it would probably give better routing estimates, having realtime data on your speed, idle, gas mileage, etc.
I foresee many GPS vs. Android comments here, but I think it's not necessarily a fight to the death. There is obviously a market for both, and it's a matter of each providing flexible featuresets that offer additional added value that benefits the intended user. Could phone-based GPS eventually supplant dedicated units? Possibly. But, I see the dedicated GPS companies crossing over before any final "death blow" is dealt. #ecoroutesesp
I don't see how Google Maps could beat a dedicated GPS unit. I do a lot of research on GPS units and have roadtested several, the dedicated units always beat the phone based, hands down. And who wants to be forced to use a data plan to get your maps? I want all my maps on the device. Only phone based GPS that I could see rivialing a dedicated unit was iGuidance, technically it isn't for phones but can be hacked to run on a WM touchscreen phone easily. #ecoroutesesp
@Mozoltov: Well I think the Google Nav thing is aimed at people like, well, me. I have a smartphone and always will. Since I already have that, this cuts out the need for a basic GPS unit, which I also have.
I have a Garmin 750, and it is very useful, especially in Canada, where I refuse to turn my data roaming on. I can still navigate, and know the speed limit wherever I am. But honestly, if I had a Droid, I wouldn't need the Garmin for trips inside the US.
The point of Google Nav isn't that it's going to kill dedicated GPS units, it's going to force them to innovate. This is a perfect example. Here's a GPS that does much more than a smartphone easily could.
Garmin and TomTom et al need to come up with things for their devices to do that go far beyond the capabilities of a navi-phone. Like HUDs, integration with a non-navi smartphone, using its data connection to download free traffic data, etc. #ecoroutesesp
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@Mozoltov, motherfucker: I remember early, dedicated, GPS units being quite unreliable, unwieldy and a chore to program. Over the years they've grown to become extremely efficient and user-friendly devices that have added many additional (and often useless) features. My point being, I can envision that phone-based GPS could grow more mature, reliable and efficient within a short time. There's absolutely the possibility of maps being stored locally, and having additional features reivalling dedicated units. As GPS units have grown into PMPs, bluetooth interfaces and web connections, so too have phones become more of a platform than a dedicated device. The convergence between them, with most phones having GPS functionality, is inevitable. I think, within a short time, we'll see the two being on even footing, and competing in a healthy way, with many benefits to consumers. #ecoroutesesp
@Stikman008: In my experience ease of use and feature bloat. I am currently using Copilot Live on my G1 since my nuvi bit the bullet. The UI is absolutely horrible, don't know what the designer was thinking, definitely not finger friendly, who uses styli any more? And you have to go through several pages of stuff to find what you need, I find the tree analogy of how menus are set up to be the most efficient. Have the main features you need on top and if you want to get more things you dig down deeper in the tree, the tree gets wider as you get to the bottom. #ecoroutesesp
@met2art: I don't see smartphone GPS units going towards local maps, almost all of them out there are data based. They don't want to do that because they assume that if you have a smartphone you are going to have a data connection, like 99% of smartphone owners (I totally made that stat up) so streaming the maps is their first option. It could happen that both platforms are on equal ground but I don't see that happening for a while. I could be wrong. #ecoroutesesp
@Mozoltov, motherfucker: Some third-party GPS apps (such as Copilot Live) for Android have maps stored locally, on the SD card. Google GPS uses a data connection, but that could change. As most phones (and all Android phones) have extensible storage via SD card, there is certainly the option to have on-board map data supplemented by data-connection when possible. Is it perfect for everyone? Probably not, but as a free service (that even in beta performs exceptionally well) it is likely to become quite popular, especially if it gains cross-platform support. Will it overthrow Garmin or Tom Tom? Probably not (at least not anytime soon) but it will suddenly give many people GPS anywhere, at any time, at no additional cost, and with potentialy endless ancillary benefits that only a layered, open-source and free system, can provide.
To sum up, I doubt Garmin or Tom Tom are getting coffin fittings, but I would place substantial bets that they are having lots of meetings and conferences to see what they can do to shore up their value-added revenue stream. #ecoroutesesp
Why does this Google app stop working when I get a phone call? The iPhone map apps can be used during a phone call which is very important when I am in a long call and driving.
This seems so half assed, I still have to carry my Garmin. Does Verizon intentionally block the app during a phone call? If so that sucks.
@vic.nospam: If you notice when you make a call on Verizon, your Evdo bars disappear and switch over to 1x. That's because Verizon can't do voice and data at the same time; you get one or the other. This doesn't happen with GSM technology, which is why you can use maps and call at the same time with the iPhone.
"Google: If you're going to knock everyone else off the mountain, at least give us an app worthy of a king."
This is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read in a Giz review. Here's a question, did you ever consider that they didn't knock everyone off the mountain and if you don't like the Google app you can spend money and buy another app or navigator?
Or is it that since it's free and it's from Google you feel the right to be extra critical and bitch about it?
@kimchibrown: It seems you have a lot of pent up frustration and not enough perspective. I know a few therapists I could recommend if you'd like.
Fact of the matter is, if this thing were widely available (on all Android phones, but especially when and if it makes it to the iPhone), that would be a huuuge dent in the mobile GPS unit market. For the outdoorsy types who would like navigation on the mountains, sure they'll still buy a TomTom. For the ditzy mom that gets lost in traffic downtown? Not so much. This app will do just fine. And you know those giant cities with thousands of people sporting expensive gadgets? Guess which of those two categories they have more of?
Giz is full of a lot of hype. The Apple Tablet rumors are example enough of just how out there their claims can get. This, though? This is dead. on. And no, they don't "feel the right to be extra critical and bitch" because "it's free and it's from Google". They're being critical because that's what they do. This is a software review! What else are they supposed to do? #googlenavigator
I understand that they are supposed to be critical. I usually like Giz reviews. In fact, with anything I am going to purchase techwise, I find info/reviews on Giz.
@OCEntertainment: 'They're being critical because that's what they do. [...] What else are they supposed to do?'
Wait a sec; your take on this is that the author was merely exercising scrupulous diligence? With no overt bias, whatsoever? So, then, you would disagree that he underwent a sea-change in sentiment - accompanied by a charming reversion to adolescent phraseology - at the mere _possibility_ of finding Google Nav on his iPhone? To wit...
'Still, if this was built in to the iPhone's Google Maps, or offered as a free download at the App Store, damn would it steal customers like a mofo. [...] really, this thing would—and probably will—swallow the GPS app market alive.'
For those keeping score at home: the app he calls 'good for free, but far from perfect' will - only if and when it receives the Jobsian imprimatur - 'swallow the GPS app market alive' plus 'steal customers like a mofo'. Seriously, OCEnt, this passage strikes you as critical analysis, rather than...say, the ecstatic babbling of a self-absorbed twit with an Apple/iPhone fixation?
@forum_admin00Yes it strikes me as critical analysis.....of the software. This is a free app that Google is introducing as a competitor to existing products. It is being held to the feature sets and standards already set up by those companies. The summary is that this free app is far from the best you can get. But for free, it's good. I suppose you could take issue with the fact that he didn't say 'great' or 'fantastic'. But I remember when being 'good' was a good thing. I want my software reviews to be overly critical of features to hold them to the highest standards, rather than say, "Well, it's good enough to get by."
As for the claim that it will only be successful when it reaches the iPhone (not exactly what he said, but we'll go with it).....the iPhone has 50 million users! This is an app not a device! Even if 2.0 makes it to all Android phones, that's still a much smaller percent of the market than the iPhone (so far). I actually can't stand the iPhone and really think Android doesn't get the real attention it deserves. Yet, I can't ignore the fact that even if every single Android user was using this app in place of a Garmin or TomTom unit (such a universal is impossible, but I'll give it to you), we still wouldn't be enough to swallow the GPS unit market. Combined with iPhone users, and yes all the new Android users will see in the coming years, that is a force to be reckoned with. That is, simply logistically, what could make this app a threat. It has nothing to do with iPhone fanboyism. The app needs a platform.
And besides, even if it is fanboyism (it's not), that still doesn't mean the critiques of the software are wrong. A piece of software can be good, powerful, and popular while being far from perfect. Gmail, Windows. Heck Gizmodo even.
There's a place for accusations of bias and unfair critiques. This review? Not one of them. #googlenavigator
Let me get this straight: Google Nav (beta) has 'awesome' voice search, 'impressive' free text-to-speech, live traffic (also, of course, free) as well as satellite & Street View -- tho these later features are 'not always useful', eg: you can't access them without touching the screen. And the end result is an overall rating, as shown in the article's title, of 'good but not perfect'?
For a free beta that will be available to all Android phones running v2.0?
Well, bravo for your hard ass stance and demanding attitude toward reviews. No doubt you have taken exactly this cynical, 'glass half empty' approach in any number of pithy iPhone critiques, over the past two years. I mean, I'm sure you'd do that despite being an enthusiastic Mac and iPhone user yourself, right? Please post links to those, when time allows.
I sometimes feel like I'm out of touch, but actually, that is how I'd describe ALL google services: good for free but far from perfect (even the search engine is declining quality rapidly)... At least they give space to competition this way. #googlenavigator
Nice review, Wilson. You didn't mention it, so can we assume that the volume and clarity of the voice were good enough to overtake road noise? Perhaps even with a window down? #googlenavigator
Google does have a POI browser Android app called Places Directory that they released earlier this summer. I would not be surprised if this gets integrated into the Navigator. [googlemobile.blogspot.com]#googlenavigator
@redclear55: It doesn't pause the music, it just mutes it, but Matt will cover the rigors of music in Android listening next week. And when it's in navigation mode, it never dims. And alas, among many UI shortcomings, there's no night mode. #googlenavigator
OK. Question: I've read stories about Android 2.0 and the fact that it IS Flash enabled. I've also read stories about Android 2.0 and that it's not Flash enabled. Or is it simply not Flash 10 enabled? What is the deal? Is Flash available on the Android 2.0 platform?
OK. That's more than one question, but you get my drift.
If it has Flash, that would be a nice difference from the iPhone. #googlenavigator
You guys (Gizmodo) are annoyingly subjective of all reviews. "Good For Free But Far From Perfect," are you serious. You guys remind me of retail jobs and how pleasing "the person above you" is never possible. No matter what someone does, you always expect more. Just be happy they released a free navigation software. #googlenavigator
@Derek De Vine: So, by that logic, if I give you a kick in the teeth and you complain, I can always retort with "what do you expect for free?", right?
Besides, it's far from being free if it's a feature of the device it's shipped on. Oh, sure, you might not have to pay an additional premium to use it, but the people that'll get to use this first plunked down hard cash for an Android device.
There's nowt wrong with constructive criticism. It's one thing to say "it's crap", but stating why it's crap is a whole 'nother level, and any software engineer worth his/her salt is usually happy to receive the latter rather than the former. #googlenavigator
what i like about google is that once it's good enough, it goes live. yeah, they might stick a "beta" label on it, but you can have it, play with it, use it, and they'll fix things as they go along. To me that sounds like a good way of doing things, esp. since their apps are free. early adoption means people tend to get attached to the app. think about it, how many people switched from gmail to another service? (i'm sure there are some, but in 5 years (maybe more) I haven't heard of any). #googlenavigator
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I foresee many GPS vs. Android comments here, but I think it's not necessarily a fight to the death. There is obviously a market for both, and it's a matter of each providing flexible featuresets that offer additional added value that benefits the intended user. Could phone-based GPS eventually supplant dedicated units? Possibly. But, I see the dedicated GPS companies crossing over before any final "death blow" is dealt. #ecoroutesesp
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I have a Garmin 750, and it is very useful, especially in Canada, where I refuse to turn my data roaming on. I can still navigate, and know the speed limit wherever I am. But honestly, if I had a Droid, I wouldn't need the Garmin for trips inside the US.
The point of Google Nav isn't that it's going to kill dedicated GPS units, it's going to force them to innovate. This is a perfect example. Here's a GPS that does much more than a smartphone easily could.
Garmin and TomTom et al need to come up with things for their devices to do that go far beyond the capabilities of a navi-phone. Like HUDs, integration with a non-navi smartphone, using its data connection to download free traffic data, etc. #ecoroutesesp
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To sum up, I doubt Garmin or Tom Tom are getting coffin fittings, but I would place substantial bets that they are having lots of meetings and conferences to see what they can do to shore up their value-added revenue stream. #ecoroutesesp
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This seems so half assed, I still have to carry my Garmin. Does Verizon intentionally block the app during a phone call? If so that sucks.
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This is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read in a Giz review. Here's a question, did you ever consider that they didn't knock everyone off the mountain and if you don't like the Google app you can spend money and buy another app or navigator?
Or is it that since it's free and it's from Google you feel the right to be extra critical and bitch about it?
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Fact of the matter is, if this thing were widely available (on all Android phones, but especially when and if it makes it to the iPhone), that would be a huuuge dent in the mobile GPS unit market. For the outdoorsy types who would like navigation on the mountains, sure they'll still buy a TomTom. For the ditzy mom that gets lost in traffic downtown? Not so much. This app will do just fine. And you know those giant cities with thousands of people sporting expensive gadgets? Guess which of those two categories they have more of?
Giz is full of a lot of hype. The Apple Tablet rumors are example enough of just how out there their claims can get. This, though? This is dead. on. And no, they don't "feel the right to be extra critical and bitch" because "it's free and it's from Google". They're being critical because that's what they do. This is a software review! What else are they supposed to do? #googlenavigator
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I understand that they are supposed to be critical. I usually like Giz reviews. In fact, with anything I am going to purchase techwise, I find info/reviews on Giz.
This was just a crappy review, in my opinion. #googlenavigator
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Wait a sec; your take on this is that the author was merely exercising scrupulous diligence? With no overt bias, whatsoever? So, then, you would disagree that he underwent a sea-change in sentiment - accompanied by a charming reversion to adolescent phraseology - at the mere _possibility_ of finding Google Nav on his iPhone? To wit...
'Still, if this was built in to the iPhone's Google Maps, or offered as a free download at the App Store, damn would it steal customers like a mofo. [...] really, this thing would—and probably will—swallow the GPS app market alive.'
For those keeping score at home: the app he calls 'good for free, but far from perfect' will - only if and when it receives the Jobsian imprimatur - 'swallow the GPS app market alive' plus 'steal customers like a mofo'. Seriously, OCEnt, this passage strikes you as critical analysis, rather than...say, the ecstatic babbling of a self-absorbed twit with an Apple/iPhone fixation?
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As for the claim that it will only be successful when it reaches the iPhone (not exactly what he said, but we'll go with it).....the iPhone has 50 million users! This is an app not a device! Even if 2.0 makes it to all Android phones, that's still a much smaller percent of the market than the iPhone (so far). I actually can't stand the iPhone and really think Android doesn't get the real attention it deserves. Yet, I can't ignore the fact that even if every single Android user was using this app in place of a Garmin or TomTom unit (such a universal is impossible, but I'll give it to you), we still wouldn't be enough to swallow the GPS unit market. Combined with iPhone users, and yes all the new Android users will see in the coming years, that is a force to be reckoned with. That is, simply logistically, what could make this app a threat. It has nothing to do with iPhone fanboyism. The app needs a platform.
And besides, even if it is fanboyism (it's not), that still doesn't mean the critiques of the software are wrong. A piece of software can be good, powerful, and popular while being far from perfect. Gmail, Windows. Heck Gizmodo even.
There's a place for accusations of bias and unfair critiques. This review? Not one of them. #googlenavigator
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For a free beta that will be available to all Android phones running v2.0?
Well, bravo for your hard ass stance and demanding attitude toward reviews. No doubt you have taken exactly this cynical, 'glass half empty' approach in any number of pithy iPhone critiques, over the past two years. I mean, I'm sure you'd do that despite being an enthusiastic Mac and iPhone user yourself, right? Please post links to those, when time allows.
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1. listening to music: assuming you can multi-task the gps and music capabilities. does the app pause music to announce the next segment of the trip?
2. does the display dim if not connected to a charger? any night mode? #googlenavigator
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OK. That's more than one question, but you get my drift.
If it has Flash, that would be a nice difference from the iPhone. #googlenavigator
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Google is the new Microsoft (but in a good way). #googlenavigator
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Besides, it's far from being free if it's a feature of the device it's shipped on. Oh, sure, you might not have to pay an additional premium to use it, but the people that'll get to use this first plunked down hard cash for an Android device.
There's nowt wrong with constructive criticism. It's one thing to say "it's crap", but stating why it's crap is a whole 'nother level, and any software engineer worth his/her salt is usually happy to receive the latter rather than the former. #googlenavigator
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