resistive touchscreen = Stinky Pain in the A-oH

Dear Verizon,

You were offered the iPhone. We know that so you can't entice us with cheap, buggy wannabes.

Sincerely,
The World

Mmmmmmeeeeeeeeh.

@Samifumi: Ha! So true.

V Cast - Awesome!!!!

Seriously, though you will never here anyone say that.

Shouldn't it be about the same as the Sprint's touch.
So wait does this make sprint's version better.
Im sure this thing equipped with the PCM Keyboard should be relatively easy to use.
They should put a bigger screen on it though.

I would love this phone if it wasn't for the UI and weak build. After trying out my friends HTC, my childhood G.I.Joe walkie-talkies felt more solid.
Yep, meh.

I am pretty sure that this phone does not use the Rev A network. Specs show it using Rev 0

Nino

@Samifumi: Yeah that's true but you gotta think. If you're the best cell phone service provider, with the most users in the country and some company with no reputation for making handsets comes to you and says "hey, We wanna partner up, But you have to let us do registration our way, we want X percentage from cell phone contracts, and we want your first born." Verizon was in a position to make counter demands because they were the big cheese. And looking at the trends, it seems people care more about the phone than the actual service.

AT&T was just on it's knees waiting for Jobs to come over.

This doesn't use the Rev A network. Specs show Rev 0

Nino

apparently it does use Rev A according to phonearena.

Nino

@Joseph: I don't think AT&T is on its knees for anyone, including congress.

Once Verizon has opened its network to third parties I look forward to buying v.2 of this model next year, but directly from HTC and running Android-with-TouchFlo and Mozilla Mobile.

Hey I love my Sprint version. Ya PIE sucks on it. But there are better browsers out there for it. If you want neat graphics and listen to music, get an iphone. IF you want to be productive, listen to music and play games, get a smart phone....or blackberry if you want to pay for the data costs.

Put 4 hours into loading software onto it that actually works, and this thing would spank an iPhone.

Sorry.

glyde please! Verizon stop releasing crap! The only phone worth looking at for Verizon is getting held hostage!

skyfire beta + htc touch = better than iphone.....

Apple would never approve of that stupid logo being plastered on the glass. Never gonna happen.

@JiltedCitizen: TFSU Fanboy - you know the Touch is a POS so quit covering it up. If you bought a Lexus but they told you the leather seats are coming with revisions A and the engine is only working on 2 out of the 8 cylinders because so and so didn't make a graphics driver but wait for the update would you still think it's a good car?

I'm sick of you dipships all over the SU forums bashing the iPhone - yes I have the Touch I got it free and I still hate it. A phone that takes 4 hours to "customize" from factory is not a product ready for market. If you want to boast about this phones productivity you're in denial gl trying to word process with the Touch keyboard. Even this review says it's unbearably painful to enter text - how in the hell are you going to write up a TPS report?

Again, if the iPhone sucks so much then why are the top downloads for the Touch iPhone skins?

@ws6kid: BS Skyfire beta is an invitation only beta so what the 1,000 people that were invited get a better user experience of the interweb than the million iPhone users? What about the rest of the Touch users?

Just as a sidenote: Verizon will begin offering VCAST VOD on smartphones begining in May for $10/month, the first phone to support it will be the Motorola Q9m, hopefully this one will get it very soon!

@vertigo: Skyfire's pretty good, but I dunno that it blows away Safari or anything yet.

@ws6kid: that's definitely true. But HTC Tytn II + skyfire > HTC Touch + skyfire.

@matt buchanan: Copy-paste???? FLASH?????

@matt buchanan: What about the fact that skyfire has FLASH!!! And copy-paste?? can u watch hulu on safari?? Nope. (IDk why, my other comment I posted never showed up on the site...)

People actually believe this thing is better than the iPhone? Have you ever played around with one? The UI is clunky, relative to the iPhone anyway. My friend has one on Sprint, and even he admits that my iPhone is far superior (and he paid more for his HTC Touch).

looks cheesy

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sent from my cheesy iPhone rip off

Where do they get the nephilim-hand models for these phone? I've seen the touch, and it ain't that small.

I didn't know Lurch was doing hand-modeling now...

@vertigo: Because most people are not technology inclined and have not a clue how to mod there windows mobile phones. There are many other nice interfaces that I prefer over the iphone interface ie. point ui, spb menu. PCMFullScreenKeyboard for the win. The touch has the capability of Rev A EVDO and also has a wireless chipset that will be enable in the future, this phone is very not a POS. I can listen to music using HTCs finger friendly program called audio manager.

Until apple allows 3rd party application's windows mobile phones are far more capable since there are thousands of programs you can download for free...

But once again Skyfire is really bad ass, as it has full embedded media support. I was lucky to get in to the beta but it will become a free download soon for everyone. Apple is so stupid saying the have the "REAL Internet " on there phone, which they don't because it supports no embedded media what so ever, which is no where close to the " REAL Internet".

It's all Bush's fault!

@ws6kid: "Until apple allows 3rd party application's..."

"allows" <--how cute

You know what I hate?? That EVERY smartphone choice is an exercise in compromise. I'm the first to say that the iPhone user experience is hands-down the best out there. But it's only on a horrible network (AT&T) that I will NEVER use, and it's missing key business functions and 3G (though that will apparently change real soon, but I wonder how COMPLETE the changes will be). I want the experience of the iPhone with the flexibility and power of WinMo on a solid network like Verizon. Is that too much to ask??

@redman042: I think that's all I am asking for as well! Those 3 things about the iPhone, WinMo and VZ's network is the best thing that I heard today on this post. I have Verizon now with an old Motorola E815. I have longed for a PDA without a shitty OS and UI. WinMo 5 sucked however WinMo 6 is a little better but still isn't flawless. I was looking into either the Glyde or the HTC Touch for VZ. I like the iPhone but I would rather not jump ship to a worst network just for the phone. Yeah I have a PC at work and at home so I am really never without the internet but would like to have that option on my phone with a real browser. I am also picky in that I need hard keys on my qwerty keypad vs a fully touch screen. Call me old school but I am not Tactical or Haptic feedback has developed far enough for me not miss physically pushing a keypad.

Signed,

Still Waiting

@Sam_Zebian: Yeah, Flash is a big hole. But zooming and actually navigating pages isn't quite up to Safari standards. It's still in beta, and they're working on zooming, so it could get there.

Been digging my Touch on Sprint. It's definitely a Windows experience which is great (if you customize it) and not so great (if you don't.)

As a media device it's way behind the iPhone (although EVDO+Sling = super yummy fun that even makes my iPhone buds drool) but multimedia's not the CURRENT market for WinMo phones . . . I imagine the Danger acquisition will change that. The only thing it really lacks IMO is a great browser and judging by some of the emerging options (Opera Mobile 9.5 most notably; still don't see how Skyfire is going to scale) that should be a non-issue soon.

@mclark2112: Actually, it is. If it appears large to you, you must be a dwarf, sir.

@Samifumi: iPhone? Seriously? Are you high? My $50 LG can voice dial. The iPhone can't voice dial. All that bling, all that money, and it can't do a simple thing like voice dial.

Fail.

A friend of mine called his "the iPhone Killer". LOL!!! Who's he trying to kid here?

It's pretty funny how all the iphone user get all defensive if anyone says anything positive about a WinMo phone. Some people value style and cool factor w/ multimedia-centric apps, other prefer a somewhat flawed UI in exchange for productivity. The phones are marketed to very different groups, there are things both do better than their counterpart. The iphone is cool, but my VX6800 was purchased with getting me more organized at work, something the iphone really couldn't do for me now. Plus I was already on Verizon and I knew I would regret the downgrade in service I would have gotten by switching to AT&T.

Oh, and mobile IE sucks balls, hairy goat balls. Hopefully I'll get in on Skyfire beta 2.

@RobotVampire: Wow, are you 12? How can a browser suck balls?

PIE is decent for basic internet browsing. Skyfire and all the others of course come with more things, though I think MS is working on a new PIE.

Yes, I am 12 (at heart), and mobile IE sucks big time in my opinion. It locks up at least once a day, nothing else has ever caused my phone to lock up, only mobile IE, hence, ball suckage.