If the government wants protected networks, use your own private networks. This is downright fucking bullshit. First take the guns away, then take communications away what's left? China in North America.
Total bullshit. Get on your legislators to block this asap. Then when you get home, go buy a gun, get some training and keep this country free.
WHAT TWO OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS:
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
-Thomas Jefferson
"Wisdom I know is social. She seeks her fellows. But Beauty is jealous, and illy bears the presence of a rival."
-Thomas Jefferson
"The daily advance of science will enable [the existing generation] to administer the commonwealth with increased wisdom." --Thomas Jefferson
"Every nation is liable to be under whatever bubble, design, or delusion may puff up in moments when off their guard." --Thomas Jefferson
"[It is] the people, to whom all authority belongs." --Thomas Jefferson
"The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. The agitation it produces must be submitted to." --Thomas Jefferson
"Government being founded on opinion, the opinion of the public, even when it is wrong, ought to be respected to a certain degree." --Thomas Jefferson
"Opinions... constitute, indeed, moral facts, as important as physical ones to the attention of the public functionary." --Thomas Jefferson
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them." --Thomas Jefferson
In closing...
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Benjamin Franklin
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Look, I tried being civil, and even now, try not to take offense, but really, are you all paranoid idiots?. Furthermore, did you read the article?
There seem to be a few main misconceptions surrounding this bill that have many of you with you panties in a bunch. Let's go through them.
The first is that Obama himself introduced this idea and is requesting this power. There is nothing in this article that in any way indicates that he is involved with this, or even supports this. In fact, the only time he is referenced is in the picture. From this article alone, there is no basis (other than your own paranoia) to say Obama is trying to consolidate power in the Executive Branch or turn the country into scene out of 1984.
The second is that by passing this bill the president will be able to pull the plug on your internet access any time he/she wants to, thereby infringing on your Fist Amendment right to freedom of speech. Another is that this bill grants the Executive Branch the power to spy on your online activities. Again, had you read the article you would have noticed that these are not true. Your blog (unless you for some reason are posting US military secrets) is not "critical" private network, and is not in any way important to the security of the country, and as such it will not come under government control or scrutiny under this bill (although I'm sure it's a very interesting blog). Do not worry about your freedoms of speech, had Obama cared so much about people speaking out against him, he would have censored Fox News a long time ago, just as Bush would have censored, well, pretty much every major media outlet except Fox by the end of his terms.
The third, which is related to the second, is that this bill gives the president complete control over the internet, it's users, and it's information. Again, as those who read the article pointed out, this is not true. This bill proposes giving the president temporary, emergency control over select private servers in the case of an attack, similar to how the government can take emergency control of airports, TV stations, roads, cities, borders, etc., during a national security emergency (for example, the airports were closed for a week after 9/11). These are servers with information that is not government information but is deemed important to national security. Good examples would be data stored on the servers of defense contractors, financial institutions, companies who do government-sanctioned business in Iraq, or any other websites without a .gov at the end but still containing information potentially harmful in the hands of a hostile nation or group. It will not allow the president to deny you access to Gizmodo, /b/, RedTube, etc., and I honestly don't think that the government cares about restrictign your ability to post LOLcats on Facebook.
So I hope this clears a few things up. Please, stop saying Obama is "giving himself more power". This bill is sponsored by a Senator, the president has not expressed any opinion either way, and it's a long way, a long shot, and a lot of rewrites off from being a law. It won't cut off your access to the internet, unless you're tying to hack into servers filled with information pertinent to the security of the country, in which case I hope they do cut off your internet. It also won't let the government censor you or deny you access to certain websites because you disagree with them, as Twitter and YouTube tend to not be places for the storage of next-gen missile guidance systems. I'm not saying I support everything this bill entails, i still think it need a lot of clarification and specification, but generally I think it's a good idea for National Security measure in the 21st century.
Sounds like something people might want to educate themselves about rather than being a "Chicken Little". Sean, kudos to you and the editors for the sensationalism, hope you got a lot of hits.
How does anybody support Obama anymore? Seriously, lets look at healthcare, Canada hates their healthcare, so does most of Europe, thats fact not fiction and yet we are sprinting towards healthcare. He has spent literally trillions of OUR dollars and then will not disclose information on where the money went. Everything he has done so far is restricting our economy. Don't get me started with the ACORN fiasco. He is taking control of several private businesses and/or "stimulating them" with cash because they are "too big to fail" which is totally opposite of the market economy system. In his administration the minimum wage has risen, I benefit from this being a minimum wage worker while in High School but it has been shown in the past that every time we raise minimum wage, unemployment rises as with it. He is forcing automakers to raise overall fuel efficiency to numbers that are not currently met by any American-sold automaker for the 'benefit of the people' but all the while he is pushing for an energy bill which will tax us even greater and raise gas prices significantly. He has placed ironically poorly suited people to head government programs and offices. Ted Kennedy has recently passed on and now Democrats as a whole wish to change the law which they pushed for in the first place so they can get another seat in congress. I think that is plenty of reasons to get rid of the current administration.
Something similar happened with President W. Bush which is an administration with same-party congressional majority-- that is the worst combination of sheer uncontrolled power which we have seen but continue to do.
Anyways, lets keep the government out of what little we have "control" over or at least the illusion of control. Bush was ripped apart for violating privacy, with this bill, where are all those flag wavers now?
***Not part of any political party, Only a concerned American with semi-conservative beliefs***
Uhh, I am from Canada and I think you're completely crazy...USA is going down the drain and you guys aren't helping yourselves by continuously thinking your so free when you can't even THINK about how having a public system is better for the general public as a whole. I mean seriously, WHO THE HELL HONESTLY think's that some bureaucrat controls heath-care even in a government system? I'll tell you where only in the USA, cause you guys are stuck up your own asses. Sorry you got to be smarter down there.
@Everything I love is 2nd best: Your so called proof that us Canadians don't like our Healthcare? It's not perfect (no system ever will be, nor will there ever be one that EVERYONE will be happy with), but I'm pretty sure most people here like universal healthcare.
Would you like me to start speaking on your behalf too?
And still people are going to make excuses for this administration. Why are we still at war? What happened to closing gitmo? Seriously, we are traveling down a scary and horrible path. And worst of all, they have all the guns.
Good luck, America!
@the real that guy dave: That is comical. Yes, you may not agree with some of the administration's policies. But somehow I doubt we've elected the Fuhrer. Your sense of overstatement is pretty ridiculous.
If Morgan Freeman wouldn't accept the console to a machine that could use all the cellphones in a city to see all things from all perspectives via sonar, who are we to try this?
All I'm saying is Morgan Freeman > Barack Obama.
I mean, either side of the fence, we can all agree on this at least, right? Amirite? Guys?
Giz, I know you guys aren't technically journalists, but when you write articles about things like this, you can't leave out important facts.
For example, the only person the above article suggests supports the bill is one Democratic Senator, and there is no hint of the bill having received wider support from his party, not least the rest of the Senate.
And as you can see by the ensuing comments, your article has given the impression of some involvement from the Obama White House, even though there are only passing references to Obama, who has had nothing to do in the drafting of the bill.
Too bad it would never fucking work. Seriously, our congressmen need to stop watching so many movies. There's no "shut down the internet" button, and no country has control on portions of the internet in their country, let alone the internet at large.
@ddhboy: [www.turnofftheinternet.com]
And the internets is just a series of tubes. If China really wanted they could shut it all down by filling the tubes with butter.
@ddhboy: *Unless*....they had a lone hacker with "unlimited resources". Then, it's a piece of cake, do it in an afternoon. I mean, come on. How hard could it be?
@ddhboy: no, but you could stop all us based ISP's from providing internet if you had access to their system - I assume that's what this bill is all about - granting the gov access to all domestic ISP's internal systems.
This will be a power only held by Democratic Presidents, correct?
Because is a Republican President did this it would be a shredding of our Constitution and a violation of our Civil Right.
Or are we just giving this power to Barak Obama personally?
@ahbi:
I hear there's a bill in the senate right now that would get rid of presidential term limits and eliminate the need for voting. It'll help to streamline the whole election process and eliminate paper waste caused during voting.
So whether we bestow powers on Obama personally or the president is really a mute point since they are, and will always be the same person.
08/30/09
Total bullshit. Get on your legislators to block this asap. Then when you get home, go buy a gun, get some training and keep this country free.
Hope and change my ass.
08/29/09
08/29/09
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
-Thomas Jefferson
"Wisdom I know is social. She seeks her fellows. But Beauty is jealous, and illy bears the presence of a rival."
-Thomas Jefferson
"The daily advance of science will enable [the existing generation] to administer the commonwealth with increased wisdom." --Thomas Jefferson
"Every nation is liable to be under whatever bubble, design, or delusion may puff up in moments when off their guard." --Thomas Jefferson
"[It is] the people, to whom all authority belongs." --Thomas Jefferson
"The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. The agitation it produces must be submitted to." --Thomas Jefferson
"Government being founded on opinion, the opinion of the public, even when it is wrong, ought to be respected to a certain degree." --Thomas Jefferson
"Opinions... constitute, indeed, moral facts, as important as physical ones to the attention of the public functionary." --Thomas Jefferson
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them." --Thomas Jefferson
In closing...
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Benjamin Franklin
08/28/09
There seem to be a few main misconceptions surrounding this bill that have many of you with you panties in a bunch. Let's go through them.
The first is that Obama himself introduced this idea and is requesting this power. There is nothing in this article that in any way indicates that he is involved with this, or even supports this. In fact, the only time he is referenced is in the picture. From this article alone, there is no basis (other than your own paranoia) to say Obama is trying to consolidate power in the Executive Branch or turn the country into scene out of 1984.
The second is that by passing this bill the president will be able to pull the plug on your internet access any time he/she wants to, thereby infringing on your Fist Amendment right to freedom of speech. Another is that this bill grants the Executive Branch the power to spy on your online activities. Again, had you read the article you would have noticed that these are not true. Your blog (unless you for some reason are posting US military secrets) is not "critical" private network, and is not in any way important to the security of the country, and as such it will not come under government control or scrutiny under this bill (although I'm sure it's a very interesting blog). Do not worry about your freedoms of speech, had Obama cared so much about people speaking out against him, he would have censored Fox News a long time ago, just as Bush would have censored, well, pretty much every major media outlet except Fox by the end of his terms.
The third, which is related to the second, is that this bill gives the president complete control over the internet, it's users, and it's information. Again, as those who read the article pointed out, this is not true. This bill proposes giving the president temporary, emergency control over select private servers in the case of an attack, similar to how the government can take emergency control of airports, TV stations, roads, cities, borders, etc., during a national security emergency (for example, the airports were closed for a week after 9/11). These are servers with information that is not government information but is deemed important to national security. Good examples would be data stored on the servers of defense contractors, financial institutions, companies who do government-sanctioned business in Iraq, or any other websites without a .gov at the end but still containing information potentially harmful in the hands of a hostile nation or group. It will not allow the president to deny you access to Gizmodo, /b/, RedTube, etc., and I honestly don't think that the government cares about restrictign your ability to post LOLcats on Facebook.
So I hope this clears a few things up. Please, stop saying Obama is "giving himself more power". This bill is sponsored by a Senator, the president has not expressed any opinion either way, and it's a long way, a long shot, and a lot of rewrites off from being a law. It won't cut off your access to the internet, unless you're tying to hack into servers filled with information pertinent to the security of the country, in which case I hope they do cut off your internet. It also won't let the government censor you or deny you access to certain websites because you disagree with them, as Twitter and YouTube tend to not be places for the storage of next-gen missile guidance systems. I'm not saying I support everything this bill entails, i still think it need a lot of clarification and specification, but generally I think it's a good idea for National Security measure in the 21st century.
08/28/09
I may have voted for him, but I certainly didn't vote him in to office so he could assume control over something such as this!
08/28/09
08/28/09
08/28/09
08/28/09
Something similar happened with President W. Bush which is an administration with same-party congressional majority-- that is the worst combination of sheer uncontrolled power which we have seen but continue to do.
Anyways, lets keep the government out of what little we have "control" over or at least the illusion of control. Bush was ripped apart for violating privacy, with this bill, where are all those flag wavers now?
***Not part of any political party, Only a concerned American with semi-conservative beliefs***
08/29/09
Uhh, I am from Canada and I think you're completely crazy...USA is going down the drain and you guys aren't helping yourselves by continuously thinking your so free when you can't even THINK about how having a public system is better for the general public as a whole. I mean seriously, WHO THE HELL HONESTLY think's that some bureaucrat controls heath-care even in a government system? I'll tell you where only in the USA, cause you guys are stuck up your own asses. Sorry you got to be smarter down there.
08/29/09
08/29/09
Would you like me to start speaking on your behalf too?
08/28/09
Good luck, America!
-source: 1930's Germany
Prepare for false flags.
08/28/09
08/28/09
All I'm saying is Morgan Freeman > Barack Obama.
I mean, either side of the fence, we can all agree on this at least, right? Amirite? Guys?
08/28/09
For example, the only person the above article suggests supports the bill is one Democratic Senator, and there is no hint of the bill having received wider support from his party, not least the rest of the Senate.
And as you can see by the ensuing comments, your article has given the impression of some involvement from the Obama White House, even though there are only passing references to Obama, who has had nothing to do in the drafting of the bill.
08/28/09
08/28/09
Thanks for posting that -- I hadn't read the article yet and got worried.
08/28/09
08/28/09
And the internets is just a series of tubes. If China really wanted they could shut it all down by filling the tubes with butter.
08/28/09
08/28/09
08/28/09
Senator Palpatine just jizzed a little inside of long flowing, oversized snuggie..
08/28/09
- al gore
08/28/09
Because is a Republican President did this it would be a shredding of our Constitution and a violation of our Civil Right.
Or are we just giving this power to Barak Obama personally?
08/28/09
I hear there's a bill in the senate right now that would get rid of presidential term limits and eliminate the need for voting. It'll help to streamline the whole election process and eliminate paper waste caused during voting.
So whether we bestow powers on Obama personally or the president is really a mute point since they are, and will always be the same person.