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Japanese ISPs Plan To Cut Off P2P Pirates

Japanese internet service providers plan on disconnecting evil filesharing pirates in some of the most severe anti-p2p tactics worldwide. Due to pressure from music, video game and movie companies, the ISPs would warn the offender via email before cutting the cord if the bootlegger in question didn't cease and desist. Though such a punishment may not seem as bad as the multimillion-dollar fines levied by the RIAA here in the US, we think a life without internet may be worse than one without money. [AFP]

6:30 PM on Sat Mar 15 2008
By Eric Sheline
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  • Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead at 06:36 PM on 03/15/08 *

    Sorry Japan, no Open Office for you. Ha.Haha.haha.Ha.Haha.haha.ha

  • Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead at 06:37 PM on 03/15/08 *

    ha.ha.

  • thats sad.. :( they got 80-90mbps fiber connections, i mean, what other use can they have besides p2p ? XD.. lol

  • well a cease and desist is a lot better than a $400000 fine on your first offence. it just means you have one chance to get caught.

    franlky the riaa should learn from this, not only would it be more effective, but its a hell of a lot better than their current scare tactics.

  • i was just informed by my internet provider (comcast) that i had been flagged for illegal downloading, and that they might cut me off, and im here in california

  • I'm sure they are planning to do this in the UK as well. Better than a fine, but I rekon ISPs would lose ALOT of business.

  • Image of strider_mt2k strider_mt2k at 07:16 PM on 03/15/08 *

    Wow.
    I guess now that the format wars are over we need something new to fight over.

    For THIS battle I will accept nothing less than a monkey fired by a cannon across a swirling deathly whirlpool!!

    (muttering in background)

    I've been informed this has been done.

    Carry on.

  • "...we think a life without internet may be worse than one without money..."

    You: Aw, money... but I wanted internet.

    Your brain: Money can buy lots of internet.

    You: Explain how.

    Your brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services.

  • Image of discounteggroll discounteggroll at 07:26 PM on 03/15/08 *

    looks like I'll have to plan all my downloading in the US before I visit family back home in Japan. thanks for ruining my day sheline

  • Those F****n retards at the RIAA, i wonder if they know anything about technology and if they do i dare any of them to admit their sons or daughters has never downloaded any music of video illegally from the internet.

    If the music industry cannot innovate they should not blame their lack of ideas on the consumer, because that is just a poor excuse.

    In the past year my friends (wink wink) has spend over £150 buying high quality un-DRMed MP3 albums from alltunes.com the music is so dirt cheap that i don't even think twice about the price. I could not do that anywhere else, especially if you are a compulsive music buyer and a student. Least in my eyes i am not steeling the music, even if the site is based in Russia and may not be paying the music company.

    Look at the Wii, poor hardware compared to PS3 but so cheap that it is a no brainer.

    Innovate do not discriminate... you only make enemies... and the war may never end

  • guys, this is already done almost everywhere. The only difference is that in the US, not only do you get a cease and desist letter from your ISP, but you are sued by the RIAA (if it's audio). This will probably only affect those that watch speed fansubs, like bleach, naruto, etc. Even then, I know that the big fansubbers like dattebayo streams the aired video direct to the states for subbing.

  • Honestly, I find the RIAA to be one of the worst groups ever established, they are allowed to make US laws, they act out of their jurisdiction with impunity, they violate every court law known to man, illegally obtain information about people, take money away from the artists in the name of the labels, and are essentially a monopoly because they have the money and money controls the labels, and the US Govt turns a blind eye because alf out politicians are paid off by big business to defy the public and make corporations money!

    /rant

  • I would like to know how the ISPs are going to determine a user is illegally pirating music. How are they to prove someone shared a commercial game and not some open source application? Would encryption fix this problem? This is crap. I hope this never happens in America.(Though i wont be surprised when it does.)

  • Well, since I'm obligated to pay any storage device or medium a couple percent more because of piracy, I consider all of my music legal. So called "blank tape law".

    [en.wikipedia.org]

  • Awful...
    I hope by the time I move to Japan, there'll be already some way to avoid that.

    I mean, no problems if I have to buy most of my stuff... like musics, movies, anime and games... I already do it.

    But to get hard to find stuff, which is p2p greatest feature...

  • Throughout the history of the internet there have always been ways to share pre-released movies and audio tracks: IRC, FTP, Web servers?. These all existed and were used for sharing long before P2P ever bore it's head, albeit by a reasonably small minority.

    In my opinion P2P brought the availability of these options to the less versed masses - suddenly *anyone* could download the latest movie or tv show..be it a 12 year old, an office worker or an avid anime fan. If ISP's place limits on P2P sharing..things will probably revert back to the way they used to be for those in the know.

    I for one would probably not be affected that much, but I would be glad to see an end to kids these days never paying a single penny for any of the content they use.Those that have access to content need to show some responsibility..if you like something, go out and buy it!.

    I think it's ridiculous that some people think buying music off of shady russian sites makes you any better than someone using P2P - what fraction of the 10 cents you pay for a track do you think is going to help an artist last in the industry?. There is a reason things cost more and although I'll be the first to admit prices need to be reduced - "free" isn't as low as I am willing to demand.

  • What ever!

  • Man, the way the court system in Japan is set up, if the RIAA sued me, they wouldn't get a court date any time within the next decade.

  • @legacye: "There is a reason things cost more and although I'll be the first to admit prices need to be reduced - "free" isn't as low as I am willing to demand."

    Why does the people that actaully make the music get pennies compared to the people that sell the music.

    If every aritist does what Radiohead did i will be all for it. I for want spend $6 for the Radiohead album all of which i beleive went stright to Radiohead.

    That i am all for, paying over the odds for a cd that the artist will only ever get 5% of the price i think is robbery. Thats why i bought from Radiohead and buy from shady Rassian site because that price point is the Biz

  • sorry for the spelling mistakes above was i am writing this on my Nokia E90 beast of a phone

  • yea i might care if they didn't slaughter so many whales...

  • I'm also interested in how they will be determining who is downloading pirated stuff. If the data is encrypted with a reasonably powerful cipher, it would put a massive dent into the processing power (read: cost) needed to look through all the data without taking the ISP's own network down. Besides that, it would be ILLEGAL to bypass reasonable encryption to read my *possibly* personal data. That would be like saying it's not ilegal for an ISP to look at my SSN and/or credit card info when I visit an SSL-secured site (if SSL was currently breakable). No way that's legal and intent [to find pirated files] doesn't qualify as a compelling reason to, essentially, hack my connection.

  • With those fiberoptic speeds what else are you going to do on the internet???
    Actually pay for music. Actually pay to see a movie or get it even faster off of a torrent website and keep it for yourself.
    And hey if you rent a movie online you could still bootleg it right off of the screen. But maybe thats just me that would try something like that cause there really isnt a legal way to monitor what you do on your screen without breaking an ammendment.

  • that picture is awesome.

  • As long as they can download their censored, anime-cosplay porn...all will be ok in Japan.

  • To quote Darth Vader:

    "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

  • That graphic reminds me of a sea trading game called "Taipan" I used to play back in the day on the Mac SE.

  • I am sorry... but quit bitching about not being able to steal shit.

    When they put electric tags on stuff at walmart and it makes it harder to just walk out with your favorite brittany spears album, do you cry on the internet?

  • There's a difference between complaining about not being able to steal media and complaining that these agencies are monitoring all your traffic just to try to catch you doing something illegal.

  • Actually, this news is being reported differently in the Japanese- and English-language press. The latter has been playing up the piracy angle, while the former makes no mention of it -- the ISPs are said to be chasing users who are consuming massive amounts of capacity. Period. The piracy bit appears to be a red herring spawned by the friendly folks at Fear Inc.

    Check out Danny Choo for the lowdown:
    [www.dannychoo.com]

  • I, personally, can't wait until this system has been adopted by most ISPs. It's really going to be fun getting other people knocked off the IntraWebs.

    I don't know who's putting together the plan with the Japanese ISPs, but they're misunderstanding something very, very fundamental about how the Japanese have built their residential broadband services.

    In Japan, the phone company (NTT) has a system called "Flets" and basically what it does is break out flat-rate internet service from the caller-pays telecom environment that exists in Japan. So, the consumer pays about $15-$20 a month to have a line (ADSL, fiber, etc.) that connects them to their ISP of choice. The fees that go to the ISP are on top of that NTT Flets subscription fee. I know from experience that NTT does very, very little with the entry point connection to the Flets service (even as an ISP it costs money to, say, have someone's Flets entry point connection disconnected from your service). So, what ISPs will probably do is just disable the customer's RADIUS authentication (and keep in mind that most ISPs typically do not expire their broadband Flets RADIUS sessions... so the connection stays up as long as the customer's power keeps whatever is running the PPPoE stack up).

    Not only will these connections not get taken down on demand and stay up indefinitely, but Flets connections usually allow multiple authentications across completely unrelated Flets entry points (so, you can share your ISP username/password authentication information with a friend without any significant consequence). The implication of this is that it is completely possible to go war driving to find wireless access points connected to improperly secured Flets connection equipment to extract username/password information. Really, why anyone actually pays for internet service in Japan is beyond me.

    So, here's what I see happening: ISP gets a take-down notice from random enforcement organization (can I become one of those? ...that would be fun!). ISP disables customer's RADIUS profile. 3 months later, customer and hacker using their purloined authentication information realize they can't get on the net. Customer has a very confused conversation with ISPs tech support; hacker moves on to the next account auth information they acquired months ago. Customer gets service from another ISP after spending an hour and a half trying to explain that they don't fileshare to the ISP that cut them off. File sharing continues with maybe a 10% reduction after the first 6 months.

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