Psystar's next move is to hire a Charlton Heston look-alike to run out into the street and scream "OS X... It's people. OS X is made out of Peeee-Puuullll."
Just for one milisecond imagine if someone forgot to copyright Mac OS X , hell that would be hilarious , I am guessing there are several thousand copyrights on OS X.
I'm no expert on US laws, but since they're buying copies of OS X from Apple, and then reselling those, rather than selling illegal copies, doesn't the first sale doctrine apply?
I thought the real problem was that they're hacking the software first, and violating the stupid DMCA's anti-circumvention laws in order to make it work on their own hardware. From what I've read on other sites, this latest claim seems to be an attempt to undermine Apple's DMCA claims. Although the whole issue is bogus, since, as other sites pointed out, Apple certainly do have copyright over the software and have even registerred it with the US copyright office.
Initially, I wanted Psystar to win this case because I think Apple's ability to prevent other hardware manufactures from running their OS is anti-competitive, and I think it's sad that Psystar have had to resort to such desperate measures.
It's Apple's OS. If they don't want other hardware manufacturers to run their OS, why is it anti-competitive? Sony doesn't allow other hardware manufacturers from running PS3 software, is that anti-competitive?
If HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc want to run an OS other than Windows or Linux, they can always develop their own. If they ever do this, they also have every right to not allow their competitors to run it on their hardware.
@pastrychef: We've been through this in previous posts, but basically the anti-trust angle involves the concept of having a "niche monopoly". Argument would be Apple has a choke-hold on a niche market of artist-types who use software that won't run on other machines, and can (and does) charge a premium on it's hardware and software as a result.
@lachlan.hunt: The sealed copies are legal resales. The copies installed on the computers, however, are not. If Psystar sold empty shells that required you to do all of the footwork to get OS X to run, Psystar wouldn't really be responsible for anything, since there's no modification of the code, and all that was sold was a legal, sealed retail copy of OS X. The machines are preloaded with Hack OS.
@Zlevee: From what I've seen, the software is actually cheaper, at least for some. Microsoft's Office suite, as well as the OS, cost a great deal more, unless you can get some great student deal somewhere.
@Kaiser 'Christmas Cookie Eating' Machead: But now you're comparing apples (or let's say bananas to avoid confusion) to oranges, as the niches are different. Opening up the platform would make that whole sphere cheaper.
You do not need to register a copyright to hold it. If you create something, you have a copyright on your creation. Registering the copyright is not required, but makes it easier to defend in court.
Hasn't always been that way. Back in the day, you had to put a copyright notice in the work itself- someone forgot to do that with Night of the Living Dead, it fell into the public domain, and you have that forgetful guy to thank for the current craze of zombie walks.
@t3knomanser: Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. But isn't it just easier to just register the damned copyright?
Spend money to pay the 3 hours of attorneys' fees to register the copyright, thereby making litigation easier down the road, or don't spend the money ahead of time, incurring bigger litigation costs down the road.
A good portion of my cases deal with interpretation of construction contracts. The smart companies all have spent money ahead of time on having a well-drafted contract which says what's going to happen in case of litigation. I've had cases that I've disposed of with a 6-page letter.
It pays to take precautions and just because you might not be required to, that doesn't mean you shouldn't.
@OMG! Chrismukkah!: Why pay a lawyer? Fill out the form, send in your submission, pay your fee and wait for notification.
A friend and I copyrighted stuff in high school because we were young and thought it would amount to something. It's never been published, but resides in the Library of Congress. And no lawyers were involved.
@dagwud: My point is that if your only reason for not doing something like registering a copyright is "because I don't have to", you should.
And why pay a lawyer? Insurance. If you take the "who needs a lawyer" route and mess up, you have no one to blame (or get money from) but yourself.
If I am running a global corporation that depends on IP to survive, I'm going to have outside counsel to take care of the registration. Then, if they screw up, I can sue them for their error. The IP involved here is worth about $1 billion. Spend the extra $10,000 to have a lawyer take care of the paperwork and have some piece of mind.
@frigg: Actually, the IP value of OS X is probably not worth even close to $1 billion dollars (US). Given that the net yearly revenue of Apple's entire computer and software sales barely crests two billion, the net IP value of a proprietary OS alone is quite likely considerably lower.
Considering that use of the OS is (legally) strictly limited to hardware which only Apple themselves can legally manufacture or distribute, the IP valuation is quite low. Also, given that the size of the market segment for Apple computers is only barely higher than the size of the market segment Linux users, a free OS, any would-be purchaser (except Microsoft) would probably be quite hesitant to pay anything even approaching $1 billion unless usage of all associated copyrights and trademarks were also granted (which Apple would almost certainly never agree to, even if we are getting insanely hypothetical here).
This is not to say that OS X has no intrinsic value! The difference is that the IP valuation is low, considering that it would be of relatively little use to anyone else. This is not to say that nobody would buy it, but certainly Apple certainly isn't selling. There is also the slow, but steadly decline in Apple's computer revenue (in computer sales, desktop and portable, and also iPod sales, but not including iPhone). Clearly their OS is not the golden goose; it is the iPod, which has accounted for more then 2/3 of their yearly revenue for the past several years, with computer sales (and subsequently OS X) very steadily dropping (even despite OS X's slight increase in market segment compared to Linux usage (higher by less than 2% last year)).
But clearly, if there is a time for Apple to embrace openness, that time is now. Desktop and laptop hardware is, by all accounts, not their forte. Although Steve Jobs clearly loathes the very concept of his operating system running on something that is not a Mac, it would almost certainly increase revenue for the product itself by at least 300%, if not more, were it to run smoothly on most modern PCs (it doesn't have to run insanely great, just as well, or better than , Vista, ha-ha).
(Financial statistics referenced herein were obtained from Apple themselves, via their website and public financial statements, and also from Smartmoney.com and informationweek.com).
My only legal input on this is that, even without doing a search of the Copyright Office's records, it's safe to say that yes, Virginia, OSX is copyrighted.
Apple pays its attorneys very well to make sure that stuff like copyrighting is done. Not only is Psystar saying that Apple goofed, its saying that Apple's highly competent legal staff goofed.
Psystar's claims have gone past laughable and straight to simply sad. And I can only imagine how do they make the poor schmucks who bought a Psystar computer feel.
@lurch_mojoff: I knew when I bought a Psystar "OpenPro" nearly a year ago that the company only had a glimmer of hope to win the inevitable legal battle against Apple. For me, it was a decent price for the hardware, and it was a chance to buy a bit of history in the making. I have long since converted the workstation over to Vista x64, and most of the parts will still be covered under the OEM warranties (as it does not seem Psystar will be around to honor theirs).
My concern is one of legal interest. Do you think Apple's suit will be limited to Psystar, or will they try to go after all of the company's customers that purchased a system preloaded with OSX?
@Christian Mørch Frederiksen: Why? If you had invested heavily in a project, upon seeing that there is no chance of success, your best bet is to not throw good money after bad.
Your strategy is the same one employed by slot jockeys. "Well, I've put all this money into this machine. I should stay until it pays out. It's due."
In business, you need to know when to stop investing in a losing venture.
20 minutes to boot up or shut down? What, do these people surf MySpace's one-stop-spyware-shop on them all day long or something? Does noone clean off all the spyware that's clogging up the works? Wow. I mean, I can understand that they'd be pissed off at being required to put in unpaid time (even if it doesn't involve actual work), but if it takes them that long to boot up, they're jacked up.
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Apple seals up their products tighter than Mother Theresa's snatch during Holy Week.*
*sorry, feeling particularly offensive this morning
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I thought the real problem was that they're hacking the software first, and violating the stupid DMCA's anti-circumvention laws in order to make it work on their own hardware. From what I've read on other sites, this latest claim seems to be an attempt to undermine Apple's DMCA claims. Although the whole issue is bogus, since, as other sites pointed out, Apple certainly do have copyright over the software and have even registerred it with the US copyright office.
Initially, I wanted Psystar to win this case because I think Apple's ability to prevent other hardware manufactures from running their OS is anti-competitive, and I think it's sad that Psystar have had to resort to such desperate measures.
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It's Apple's OS. If they don't want other hardware manufacturers to run their OS, why is it anti-competitive? Sony doesn't allow other hardware manufacturers from running PS3 software, is that anti-competitive?
If HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc want to run an OS other than Windows or Linux, they can always develop their own. If they ever do this, they also have every right to not allow their competitors to run it on their hardware.
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And I don't think Diane Keaton was ever on any incarnation of Battlestar Galactica.
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Hasn't always been that way. Back in the day, you had to put a copyright notice in the work itself- someone forgot to do that with Night of the Living Dead, it fell into the public domain, and you have that forgetful guy to thank for the current craze of zombie walks.
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Spend money to pay the 3 hours of attorneys' fees to register the copyright, thereby making litigation easier down the road, or don't spend the money ahead of time, incurring bigger litigation costs down the road.
A good portion of my cases deal with interpretation of construction contracts. The smart companies all have spent money ahead of time on having a well-drafted contract which says what's going to happen in case of litigation. I've had cases that I've disposed of with a 6-page letter.
It pays to take precautions and just because you might not be required to, that doesn't mean you shouldn't.
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A friend and I copyrighted stuff in high school because we were young and thought it would amount to something. It's never been published, but resides in the Library of Congress. And no lawyers were involved.
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And why pay a lawyer? Insurance. If you take the "who needs a lawyer" route and mess up, you have no one to blame (or get money from) but yourself.
If I am running a global corporation that depends on IP to survive, I'm going to have outside counsel to take care of the registration. Then, if they screw up, I can sue them for their error. The IP involved here is worth about $1 billion. Spend the extra $10,000 to have a lawyer take care of the paperwork and have some piece of mind.
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Considering that use of the OS is (legally) strictly limited to hardware which only Apple themselves can legally manufacture or distribute, the IP valuation is quite low. Also, given that the size of the market segment for Apple computers is only barely higher than the size of the market segment Linux users, a free OS, any would-be purchaser (except Microsoft) would probably be quite hesitant to pay anything even approaching $1 billion unless usage of all associated copyrights and trademarks were also granted (which Apple would almost certainly never agree to, even if we are getting insanely hypothetical here).
This is not to say that OS X has no intrinsic value! The difference is that the IP valuation is low, considering that it would be of relatively little use to anyone else. This is not to say that nobody would buy it, but certainly Apple certainly isn't selling. There is also the slow, but steadly decline in Apple's computer revenue (in computer sales, desktop and portable, and also iPod sales, but not including iPhone). Clearly their OS is not the golden goose; it is the iPod, which has accounted for more then 2/3 of their yearly revenue for the past several years, with computer sales (and subsequently OS X) very steadily dropping (even despite OS X's slight increase in market segment compared to Linux usage (higher by less than 2% last year)).
But clearly, if there is a time for Apple to embrace openness, that time is now. Desktop and laptop hardware is, by all accounts, not their forte. Although Steve Jobs clearly loathes the very concept of his operating system running on something that is not a Mac, it would almost certainly increase revenue for the product itself by at least 300%, if not more, were it to run smoothly on most modern PCs (it doesn't have to run insanely great, just as well, or better than , Vista, ha-ha).
(Financial statistics referenced herein were obtained from Apple themselves, via their website and public financial statements, and also from Smartmoney.com and informationweek.com).
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Apple pays its attorneys very well to make sure that stuff like copyrighting is done. Not only is Psystar saying that Apple goofed, its saying that Apple's highly competent legal staff goofed.
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Boo-yah!
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My concern is one of legal interest. Do you think Apple's suit will be limited to Psystar, or will they try to go after all of the company's customers that purchased a system preloaded with OSX?
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Your strategy is the same one employed by slot jockeys. "Well, I've put all this money into this machine. I should stay until it pays out. It's due."
In business, you need to know when to stop investing in a losing venture.
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In love as well.
/bitterness
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I think Lionel Hutz is sitting as co-counsel as well.
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Hahahah! Totally.
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They are excepting defeat! That's actually the problem. They need acceptance.
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