Internet Spiritual Guru Teal Swan Says She Isn't a Cult Leader But Has 'The Perfect Recipe For a Cult'

Jennings Brown interviewing Teal Swan for The Gateway podcast
Jennings Brown interviewing Teal Swan for The Gateway podcast
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Gizmodo’s podcast The Gateway follows our reporting on controversial internet spiritual guru Teal Swan, and the influence she has over her thousands of followers.


In the final episode, released today, we have one final interview with Swan. In that conversation Swan discusses whether or not she is a cult leader and why she feels she has the authority to help people who are struggling with depression and suicidal thoughts. And she is explicitly clear that she knows exactly how much power she has over her followers.

Here are all six episodes of this season of The Gateway.

Part 1: Catalyst

Part 2: Origins

Part 3: Philia

Part 4: Tribe

Part 5: Memories

Part 6: Shadows

The Gateway is available wherever you get your podcasts, including Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, Spotify, Google Play, iHeart Radio, or TuneIn.

The Gateway is hosted by Jennings Brown, produced by Jessica Glazer and Emily Pontecorvo, and edited by Bari Finkel of Pineapple Street Media. Mandana Mofidi is the Fusion Media Group Executive Director of Audio. Editorial oversight provided by Kelly Bourdet. Original score and mixing by Hannis Brown. If you have any tips you’d like to share, please email us at

Former senior reporter at Gizmodo


This cunt is evil.” was the only thought I had while listening to her. I think that she knows that she’s evil.

Even L.Ron never seemed this comfortable with evil shit he was doing.

Bullshit is bullshit not “controversial”.