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April is an odd date for a camera release, and I'd say we're three trade shows late for an update.

But I still want it!

I thought "25600 ISO" was a miss print. Are you fricken serious?

Until i see the real deal, it's all talk.

@ANoel:
Yes.
Yes it will.

Will it survive the fall?

@halfro: "I thought "25600 ISO" was a miss print. Are you fricken serious?"

The Nikon D3 already does that, Canon is behind. Not hatin' on Canon, since I own a bunch of their gear, but yeah, Nikon is killing them here.

I'm very excited about this, because I hate shooting with flash. My whole kit is built around shooting in natural light, but the current limit of ISO1600 in my 400D is pure fail. I hope the higher ISO makes it into the 500D.

I find it funny that the newer generation cameras keep piling up the number of AF points when I only use single AF (center) and focus lock to recompose.

Oh so when I post on a forum, it becomes official news and worthy of a post on Gizmodo?
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@mullingitover: you should take a look at the 40D, in the right conditions ISO1600 is very usable. I've even gone to ISO3200, but that was in a desperate situation. Noise Ninja for Photoshop works quite well for cleaning noisy images. Honestly, what I get out of the camera is about 80% the final image... post production is where it's really fun. The final 20% really amazes me sometimes.

@ripfire4: I find it funny that you think everyone shoots like you.

@ripfire4: When you use a crap kit lens, center AF is fine. When you're shooting people at 1.2-1.6, you can't rely on center otherwise once you recompose your focus is out.

That's a lot of stat smather, but the bottom line is that Nikon's D300 better watch its ass.

I dunno, I thought when you got into this range of cameras, you've pretty much either committed to Nikon or Canon, since the investment in glass is so significant. So I don't see why Nikon has to watch out, since Nikon shooters will stay Nikon, regardless of what Canon does.

Now, if one falls far enough behind, I could see people switching, but I think it would take more than this to cause someone to switch.

damn...$3500?

you sure the "1.5:1 price/performance advantage to the Nikon" wasn't really "1.5:1 new/old price to the original 5D line"?

I just got a D300, but this might make me jump on a 5D if the prices drop due to the MK2 appearance.

Obviously rumor, but those specs are pretty much exactly what I'm looking for in the new 5D I keep holding out for. Although I would see this undermining 1Ds M3 sales to some degree, esp. in my case the higher af points. The 45 points is super sweet on the 1D M3, I can't stand using the measly 9, something like 29 would be a nice middle-ground.

@Luke: Yes, you are correct. But there are actually people out there that have the budgets to switch and they do. Also, pro gear, esp. high-end glass has great resale value.

$3500 is twice the price of a Nikon D300. Apples and oranges. If I have to stretch to $3500 to get these features, then I'll stretch a little more to $5k and get a Nikon D3.

Canon's new flagship to be introduced this fall will have a 1.5:1 price/performance improvement over the D3? I'm not sure how to read that. It will cost 2/3's as much or 1/2 again as much?

Switching, at the high end is typically much more expensive than the cost of the body as one's investment in glass is typically many times the price of a new body.

Not really a D300 competitor. For $3500 you could pretty much buy two D300s. In reality the biggest camera body that is threatened is Canon's own 1DMkIII (which can be had for around $4100). It is a sport-action camera that is faster, but is only a 10MP 1.3crop sensor.

Also, its going to be harder to justify spending $8,000 for a Canon's other full-frame, 1Ds MkIII, when you only gain 5MP, and have better low-light sensitivity with the 5D MkII and save over four grand.

But its all another rumor from the DPreview forums (and they have had TONS of fake 5D rumors up until this point).

Hmm that's really expensive. I'm hoping it'll be about the same price the 5D is now.

@BigDaddyM: Hahaha... EXACTLY!

Pure rumor from a forum post. No one invested in Nikon glass will jump at that price point. As a D300 owner myself I would rather drop the extra 1500 on a D3 than switch sides.

Fake.

@Gujustud: Hmm. I thought I mentioned "Focus Lock". But seriously, "crap kit lens"? Anyway, it's ok. Not everyone started out from film SLRs.

@Tommasta: Sorry. I didn't mean to imply that everyone shoots like me.

I really think that the 25600 ISO is a misprint. Currently the available version of the Canon EOS 5D (released Aug 2005) is at "ISO rating 100 - 1600 in 1/3 stops, plus 50, 3200 as option".

I would think that maybe an upgrade to 6400 would be possible with decent in camera results - but going to 25600 does not seem possible with acceptable quality. Can't wait to see what the pics really look like...

That would be a very nice camera. Sounds pretty close to what i would expect.

Now at 3500$ like they said is a bit expensive. If the D3 dips in price at all, it gets waaaay too close to these specs. Considering it has 3 FPS more and pro auto focus.

At 2700$ this camera would be as revolutionary as the first 5D.

I can't believe the 25600 ISO either. If it can shoot at that, you'd probably have such crap image quality it wouldn't be worth it. Unless you went and called your shot "artsy."

This is great news, though. The 5D needed the 3" screen and the autocleaning of the 1D and 40D.

@bsbeamer:
@RockoWasTaken:

I don't think it's dreaming, since the 5D is built on pre-August 2005 (it's announcement date) technology. a lot has changed since then, including ISO 400 becoming the "standard" in APS-C DSLR's.

And yes, this is a rumor at it's best...it's what photo message boards do best, it seems. It's really a simple formula, choose a megapixel account more than 12, less than 24, LCD screen size more then 2.5", less than 4", sprinkle with little features here and there, and boom - you've got this quarter's 5D rumor.

Pity the fool who paid $8000 for one of the first EOS 1Ds's.

@ripfire4: What he meant was that with a very fast lens in many occasions you won't be able to focus and recompose with the center point, since DOF is usually so thin at shorter distances that the center of the frame and the edge of the frame will be at sufficiently different distances from the subject that one of them will fall out of focus if you recompose.

He shouldn't have mentioned just the kit lens though, this problem is much less obvious with any slower lenses, and even with the faster ones, if you're far enough, focus and recompose will work. Also, it gets worse the wider you go, so presumably, for the same magnification, you'd get a much worse problem out of the 35/1.4 than the 85/1.2 for instance.

@heroineworshipper:

anyone who bought a 1dsmk1 was at the point in their career where they were making money with it the day they got it.

pity the fool who doesn't know what pro photo gear is used for.

I'm currently getting by with Canon's 20D and was seriously thinking about stepping up to the 40D... But I will totally wait to see what happens with this mark II. This sounds like just the uber camera I was looking for. Just hoping the price point dips a little further south than $3500... We'll see.

But will it BLEND?

At $3500 it's expensive, but it's worth it if the specs are right.
But i want to see what pics are like at the highest ISO combined with the new noise reduction algorithms. I don't see myself using it, but it could definitely have its uses(night wildlife shots, underwater stuff).

I hope this does come out. I'll probably try and save up for it.

People have been posting "specs" of the new 5D for 2 years. Take it with a HUUUUGE grain of salt. In other news, I finally gave up and bought a new 5D last June since I was sick of waiting. It's fabulous.

@elvindeath: Yeah we all keep waiting for this. We just want the 5dII to be the 1dIII but full frame, and at the 5d price. :)

Fake.

@elvindeath:
But the thing that gives this credibility is that Nikon now have a full frame camera. If canon can put out a camera with similiar specs at a lower price, they get a lot more potential buyers. And with SLR's, once you get them invested in glass, they stay pretty much put.

$3500 slots it between the D300 and D3, which is probably about where it belongs with those specs.

Pros ain't going to switch more than once or twice in their lives, and serious amateurs shouldn't make a habit of jumping ship either. Plus, this certainly isn't a camera you'd buy without already having a sizable investment in glass.

Switching platforms isn't done just at the expense of the lenses, but also your muscle memory. I can pick up any of Canon's prosumer to pro bodies and start shooting because they all function pretty much the same. On most, I can do it without looking. Hand me a Nikon body and I'm more or less useless. This is why people stuck with Nikon through the early 2000's even though they weren't competing well with Canon.

I don't want to retrain my brain just to get an extra stop or two of high-ISO ability, especially when it's virtually guaranteed that Canon will match Nikon's specs in a generation or two. Not to mention the fact that I don't own just a single camera body...Switching to a D200 and D300, selling my modest 7 lens collection, batteries, flashes, etc and tracking down new glass would be an absolutely ridiculous investment when at most I have to wait 18 months to get something as nice as the D300 for the price of a 40D.

IMO, the D3 plus the 1D MkIII autofocus debacle was the first thing in a long time that made jumping ship seem wise, but here we are a few months later and Canon might be releasing something like this. Good things come to those who wait.

Maybe Canon will have two updates.

A Canon 5D II which will be a simpler upgrade to 3" lcd, digic III, sensor cleaner and a few other goodies.

Than what is described above as a midpoint between two full frame DSLR's.

Than we could have our updated ~$2500 5D and a $3500 mid-point between the low and high end FF cameras.

Hey, it could happen... :)

-Mario

Investment in glass is just that: a fairly liquid investment. To switch platforms, put your lenses on ebay and recoup 85-95% of what you paid. In some cases (Canon 50mm/1.8 MKI) you get way more than you paid.

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Here I sit upon my lawn,
April 22nd, here and gone.
No 5D mark 2 announced,
and on those stats I would have pounced!

April has come and gone..... no 5d Mark II yet. Makes you wonder if any of the specs are true either. It sounds oddly like Nikon's new cameras, and while I expect Canon to at least match Nikon's new features, I suspect that this is simply a relatively uncreative rumor.