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    Why Did Apple Drop ZFS From Snow Leopard?

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    Image of jinushaun jinushaun
    09/01/09

    In reply to Why Did Apple Drop ZFS From Snow Leopard?
    Snow Leopard is starting to sound more and more like Vista everyday! Are we ever going to get WinFS?
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    Image of t3knomanser t3knomanser
    09/01/09

    @jinushaun: The key difference being that ZFS was never a flagship item. The only people who care are people who run data centers- ZFS is waaaaaay too much file-system for your average user.
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    Image of oldtaku oldtaku
    08/31/09

    In reply to Why Did Apple Drop ZFS From Snow Leopard?
    As an engineer I'm going to guess that

    1) They underestimated the work getting it fully integrated; not just 'there if you know how to get to it', but fully productized and easy enough for their audience to use. And taking into account all the new failure and configuration paths.

    2) It's not really something blingy that they can explain to most of their customer base. How many people are using their MacBook or iMac and going 'dang, this file system is really just adequate' and tossing the OS in disgust?

    3) So they just never had enough manpower to dedicate to it full time when they could have those people working on something else like MMS in the iPhone or the iTablet or a thousand other things. The best people for this job would have been the ones who were desperately trying to get 10.6 out and had their hands full of other stuff like the Finder rewrite.
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    08/31/09

    @oldtaku: you make some really good points. the only thing that I thought I'd add is that the target customer base for Mac OS X Server is going to typically be a much more 'technologically literate' group of people than the average Mac customer... meaning that ZFS isn't necessarily something that Apple would really need to advertise as a 'blingy' feature. Then again... it IS Apple after all...
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    Image of ludwigk ludwigk
    09/01/09

    @oldtaku: I don't buy argument #2, considering that it was announced as part of Snow Leopard Server. The Server product is not about "blingy" features, and NONE of it is described to most of their customer base. People using MacBooks and iMacs typically wouldn't be using X Server anyway.

    Argument #3 doesn't quite make sense, since Apple keeps their project teams so discrete.
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    Image of Sir Gibler Sir Gibler
    08/31/09

    In reply to Why Did Apple Drop ZFS From Snow Leopard?
    has anyone else notice that the interface was updated in iTunes when you run snow leopard. the scroll bar when view apps is well different. at least from my knowledge. EDIT: sorry if that was out of the blue, i just saw the comment below and i was thinking about the UI
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    Image of Bodie1550 Bodie1550
    08/31/09

    In reply to Why Did Apple Drop ZFS From Snow Leopard?
    Wasn't there also something called a "Marble Interface"? Perhaps in the Blizzard edition. Still -- looking forward to Snow Leopard which I should receive from Amazon by Friday of this week. Rumors be damned. This is the real thing. Thanks Apple!
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    Image of Sir Gibler Sir Gibler
    08/31/09

    @Bodie1550: marble only appears in quicktime x and was more of a philosophy than an interface. (everything disappears unless you need it)
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    Image of zacbowling zacbowling
    08/31/09

    In reply to Why Did Apple Drop ZFS From Snow Leopard?
    DTrace isn't an issue with CDDL because its a userspace application and not linked to the kernel.

    Apple wouldn't have to worry so much about GPL since still owns the Darwin kernel and can license it under whatever it wants.

    Also it can just write the file system support as a kmod and not link it in directly (just means you can't boot from ZFS file system).
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    Rosa Golijan promoted this comment Edited by zacbowling at 08/31/09 10:43 PM zacbowling was starred zacbowling was unstarred
    Image of ploopsy ploopsy
    08/31/09

    In reply to Why Did Apple Drop ZFS From Snow Leopard?
    Most computers that apple sells can only hold 1 hard drive. ZFS seems more use full in a multi disk file server or data center.
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    Image of theRealMikeyG theRealMikeyG
    08/31/09

    @ploopsy: apparently you missed the first sentance....

    -------------------------------------------------
    In 2008, Apple announced that we would see ZFS as part of Snow Leopard Server, but a year later our copies are shipping with ZFS nowhere to be found.
    -------------------------------------------------

    see that part about Snow Leopard SERVER........
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    Edited by Rosa Golijan at 08/31/09 10:39 PM Rosa Golijan approved this comment theRealMikeyG was starred theRealMikeyG was unstarred
    Image of dallasmay dallasmay
    08/31/09

    @ploopsy: Hey, in 30 years when we have exabyte hard drives you're going to regret that statement.
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    Image of ploopsy ploopsy
    08/31/09

    @theRealMikeyG: OOPS! my bad! The orange writing cause "Disharmony" and I was unable to read it properly lol.

    Actually It slipped my mind by the time I got to the end of it.
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    Image of ploopsy ploopsy
    08/31/09

    @dallasmay: In 30 years a 4exabyte thumb drive will cost 8$.
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    Image of ndonahue ndonahue
    08/31/09

    In reply to Why Did Apple Drop ZFS From Snow Leopard?
    I think Apple just didn't want to go above the $29 price point. Imagine how many people wouldn't upgrade if the price was $29.95.
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    Image of zacbowling zacbowling
    08/31/09

    In reply to Why Did Apple Drop ZFS From Snow Leopard?
    did you nod off durning writing this?

    "ZFS" became "ZDF" half way through.
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    Image of Rosa Golijan Rosa Golijan
    08/31/09

    @zacbowling: It's quite possible that I was sleep-writing while dreaming about Zacbowling da Fantastic.

    Thanks for the catch, fixed.
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    Edited by Rosa Golijan at 08/31/09 10:37 PM Rosa Golijan was starred Rosa Golijan was unstarred
    Image of zacbowling zacbowling
    08/31/09

    @Rosa Golijan: hehe :-) my heart is warmed at the thought.
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    Image of Andyr2120 Andyr2120
    08/31/09

    In reply to Why Did Apple Drop ZFS From Snow Leopard?
    Oracle looks like they are going to try to monetize every last possible dollar out of the various apps that Sun owned. It won't end well.
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    Image of bustedchain bustedchain
    06/16/09

    In reply to Game Over for Sun's "Game Changing" 16-Core Rock CPU
    I bet they were pulled because they didn't have enough whole grain to be called Sun Chips.
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    06/16/09

    @bustedchain: French Onion FTW
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    06/16/09

    @Kaiser-Machead: No, I take that back. Harvest Cheddar....


    It's so hard to choose.

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    Image of frigg frigg
    04/20/09

    In reply to Why Oracle Bought Sun Microsystems for $7.4 Billion
    Soracle?


    Orasun?


    Anusunoracle?

     Reply
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    Image of GitEmSteveDave_DefinesTurgid GitEmSteveDave_DefinesTurgid
    04/20/09

    In reply to Why Oracle Bought Sun Microsystems for $7.4 Billion
    B/c they could?


    They found some spare change in the couch?


    Someone lost a round of Truth or Dare?


    Forgot that a flush beats a straight?

     Reply
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    Image of Brian Lam Brian Lam
    04/20/09

    In reply to Why Oracle Bought Sun Microsystems for $7.4 Billion
    insane.
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    Image of YOXIM YOXIM
    04/03/09

    In reply to Nearly Official: $7 Billion Sun Swallowed By IBM
    You guys don't understand what this means. By purchasing Sun, IBM is buying the Internet.
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    Image of frigg frigg
    04/03/09

    @YOXIM: No worries. Google keeps a backup in a cargo container.
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    Image of DennyCrane DennyCrane
    04/03/09

    In reply to Nearly Official: $7 Billion Sun Swallowed By IBM
    IBM = Unicron
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