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I find it hilarious that Archos is able to deliver a fully functional computer at the same price point that FusionGarage brought out their crippled little tablet.
A Windows 7 tablet without multitouch is like apple pie without the cheddar cheese. And as my grandma used to say, apple pie without the cheese is like a hug without the squeeze.
@OMG! weatherman: And as my grandpa used to say, a hug without the squeeze is like a hooker who won't...um, maybe I'm misremembering what he used to say.
@OMG! weatherman: I couldnt tell if you were being serious or sarcastic...but i think its serious. I have never tried apple pie, or any pie for that matter, with cheese in the crust... this may be something i have to explore...
@Deckard: I like just a slice of extra sharp yellow cheddar on a piece of warm apple pie. Let it sit for like 90 seconds and it melts in. My wife thought I was nuts until she tried it. Mmmmm.
Windows 7 Starter is such an embarressment some desreves to get fired for suggesting it.
If my 4 year old desktop can handle Win7 Ultimate and respectable rates, whats wrong with a much more updated and advanced netbook? I feel ashamed for getting my HP Mini with Starter, I should have kept looking for one that had XP installed...
@aniteshj: It's not about performance, it's about market segmentation. They want to sell Starter dirt cheap for netbooks (I don't know how much, like... $5-$10 OEM), while not cannibalizing their normal laptop/desktop sales (which are like $50-75 for the big OEMs).
@jepzilla: Oh but at the same time its the more embarresing pile of shit to exist.
What went wrong with simply doing what XP did in terms of different versions. No, I will do one better.
Fuck market segregation what this is telling me is that I need to splay out another 80 bucks to upgrade on the spot to Home premium (Windows 7) just so I can change my bloody wallpaper? REALLY?!
How far was the stick shoved up someones ass when they thought up of THAT limitation!
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Windows 7 may very well be software, the it's actually hard physical media that has to be created as well. The discs, and packaging have to burned, printed, and stamped, and they have to be shipped out to warehouses and retail stores across the country.
I don't mean to be scathing, but have you ever considered the alternative that Microsoft actually did just run out of copies to sell? When Amazon, Newegg, Best Buy, and Tiger Direct run out of copies, how is Microsoft going to get more to them on a moments notice?
In your grand theory about Microsoft being evil masterminds who just use 'limited time offer' as an excuse, did you ever consider this alternative?
Microsoft told their distribution center to create and license 5 million Windows Family Packs to be shipped to retailers, on release day.
Now that those 1 million have run out, it's not so easy for a company to say to their supplier "We need 500,000 copies of this software burned, packaged, licensed, and shipped in 2 weeks."
@taniquetil: it's not like assembling a wii to meet demand.....
You think there would be shortages if ALL of the Windows variants were out of stock? Hell no. They'd get on the phone and have new discs stamped and packaged pronto.
Just the cheap one ran out. That's like Burger King running out of Whoppers and upselling you to a Double Whopper.
Great, now MS gets to have a whole advertising campaign based on "Windows 7 selling out everywhere".
You missed my point. Yes, Microsoft, if Windows7 sold out of all versions everywhere, would do everything in their power to make more product.
My point was that this kind of thing doesn't happen overnight. If they haven't properly prepared, then a huge shortage can't be solved with just a placed order of "We need 100k units by tomorrow". There is some turnaround rate.
I don't think it's going to come as any surprise that the cheapest version of Windows is the one that sold out fastest.
@Lizard_King: I'd have to agree with taniquetil, MS probably ordered a set amount of the family packs as a one-off deal. Considering it was cheaper than a single upgrade, a one-off makes sense.
@taniquetil: I have a realistic solution for everyone: Microsoft didn't get to be one of the largest corporations in the world, and run into a slew of antitrust suits along the way, by selling software for fair prices. Pirate away me hearties. (Besides, as MS knows, piracy helps with market penetration.)
Actually, I think Microsoft got to be one of the largest corporations in the world by selling software for really low prices, which is why is was able to undercut the profits of every other company out there.
And it still is an option to buy legit, you just have to pay more for it. I'm not arguing for or against Microsoft's pricing scheme, but piracy is NOT a solution to high prices.
Microsoft can't even fart without it becoming negative world news. Like nobody else ever puts out a limited time offer. But if it's Microsoft it's some freakin' evil underworld plot.
@Nathan Obbards: it's tacky because they didn't say how "limited" the limited time was, and that mysterious limited time conveniently ran out when people were most likely to take advantage of it.
@lostarchitect: So no one should ever run a limited time, limited supply offer? For all you know, it was a limited number and other people were smart and bought it in advance. MS is not running around pulling stock from shelves, stores are running out of them and they're no longer being sold online. In no way is this tacky. That's like saying Apple is being tacky for not saying how long specific free songs on iTunes are going to remain free for. That's like saying a car dealership is being tacky for while supplies last offers.
@Nathan Obbards: Dude, come on. You're just being an apologist. They knocked off a good offer right before the holidays with no warning. That's lame. It would be lame no matter who did it.
And since you asked, yes, it IS tacky when other companies have "limited time" offers and don't say when that time ends.
@lostarchitect: I think in this case it wasn't a "limited time" per se. You could limit time if you plan on selling the product beyond the end date. However here supplies are gone, never to return. We give MS a lot of credit, but I really don't think they hire psychics. If they did, we would've never been given Clippy.
@lostarchitect: Trust me, I'm not being an apologist. I'd say it if it was fucked up. It's just how businesses work though. If you didn't get it before Christmas, too bad for you, it's your own fault, not Microsoft's. If Apple offered a limited time free upgrade to the latest version software for an iPod Touch and they didn't say when it would end and I missed out on it, I wouldn't blame them, I'd blame myself. It is in no way tacky. I think you just dislike MS so much that you are willing to view everything they do as intentionally evil. Limited supply, limited time offers are contingent upon the consumer using their brain and getting the product early, not bitching that supplies ran out at an inconvenient time or that it ended at an inconvenient time for you.
@Nathan Obbards: OK, If you're assuming that I "dislike MS so much", and not that I have a general dislike of horseshit so-called "limited time offers", then I think the problem here is really yours. Have a good one.
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Acer are based in Taiwan though...
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If my 4 year old desktop can handle Win7 Ultimate and respectable rates, whats wrong with a much more updated and advanced netbook? I feel ashamed for getting my HP Mini with Starter, I should have kept looking for one that had XP installed...
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What went wrong with simply doing what XP did in terms of different versions. No, I will do one better.
Fuck market segregation what this is telling me is that I need to splay out another 80 bucks to upgrade on the spot to Home premium (Windows 7) just so I can change my bloody wallpaper? REALLY?!
How far was the stick shoved up someones ass when they thought up of THAT limitation!
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Damn. I shouldn't have put it off.
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I don't mean to be scathing, but have you ever considered the alternative that Microsoft actually did just run out of copies to sell? When Amazon, Newegg, Best Buy, and Tiger Direct run out of copies, how is Microsoft going to get more to them on a moments notice?
In your grand theory about Microsoft being evil masterminds who just use 'limited time offer' as an excuse, did you ever consider this alternative?
Microsoft told their distribution center to create and license 5 million Windows Family Packs to be shipped to retailers, on release day.
Now that those 1 million have run out, it's not so easy for a company to say to their supplier "We need 500,000 copies of this software burned, packaged, licensed, and shipped in 2 weeks."
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You think there would be shortages if ALL of the Windows variants were out of stock? Hell no. They'd get on the phone and have new discs stamped and packaged pronto.
Just the cheap one ran out. That's like Burger King running out of Whoppers and upselling you to a Double Whopper.
Great, now MS gets to have a whole advertising campaign based on "Windows 7 selling out everywhere".
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You missed my point. Yes, Microsoft, if Windows7 sold out of all versions everywhere, would do everything in their power to make more product.
My point was that this kind of thing doesn't happen overnight. If they haven't properly prepared, then a huge shortage can't be solved with just a placed order of "We need 100k units by tomorrow". There is some turnaround rate.
I don't think it's going to come as any surprise that the cheapest version of Windows is the one that sold out fastest.
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I have a legal solution for everyone: BUY LEGITIMATE SOFTWARE!
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Actually, I think Microsoft got to be one of the largest corporations in the world by selling software for really low prices, which is why is was able to undercut the profits of every other company out there.
And it still is an option to buy legit, you just have to pay more for it. I'm not arguing for or against Microsoft's pricing scheme, but piracy is NOT a solution to high prices.
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And since you asked, yes, it IS tacky when other companies have "limited time" offers and don't say when that time ends.
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