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    Image of Monty Monty
    10:17 AM

    In reply to iPhone Fitted With SLR Lens (It Was Bound to Happen)
    Sure, the duct tape is fine but without the pipe cleaners to operate the auto-focus the product is clearly only reaching half it's potential.
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    Image of Segador Segador
    10:15 AM

    In reply to iPhone Fitted With SLR Lens (It Was Bound to Happen)
    Just go buy a Holga on Amazon. They're less than $30, and you'll have way more fun, as long as you can find a place that develops 120 film.
     Reply
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    Image of BeyondtheTech BeyondtheTech
    10:04 AM

    In reply to Top 5 Assclowns Laughing at the iPhone Back in 2007
    Don't forget this assclown.
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    Image of njdevil njdevil
    11:00 AM

    @BeyondtheTech: "That's a Serious Package, Folks. "

    Why isn't that guy on TV?!

    (aside from this one time.)
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    Image of BeyondtheTech BeyondtheTech
    11:05 AM

    @njdevil: I can picture him silhouetted onto a porno a la "Mystery Science Theater 3000" saying the same phrase.
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    11:08 AM

    @BeyondtheTech: Totally.

    "Looks like she got the short end of the stick there, America."
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    Image of Segador Segador
    10:02 AM

    In reply to Top 5 Assclowns Laughing at the iPhone Back in 2007
    I especially love Rubenstein's quote. Right, no one wants intuitive devices that do many things well.
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    Image of Sockatume Sockatume
    10:48 AM

    @Segador: Well, you've got to explain Nokia's marketshare somehow.

    I kid, seriously. I like having four different ways to exit apps with or without closing them. I'd get bored if there was just one, obvious way of accomplishing things.
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    Image of Hello Mister Walrus Hello Mister Walrus
    09:49 AM

    In reply to Top 5 Assclowns Laughing at the iPhone Back in 2007
    Plus, talking shit about competitors is probably part of these guys' jobs. They will do it even if they believe that another company is about to revolutionize the industry.
     Reply
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    Image of Sockatume Sockatume
    09:26 AM

    In reply to Top 5 Assclowns Laughing at the iPhone Back in 2007
    To be fair, the iPhone of 2007 was a GSM device that only ran Apple-sanctioned browser apps and cost $600 plus contract fees. By comparison the average contract freebie in Europe was doing 3G backflips and downloading Java apps (or in some cases, native apps) while moonwalking out the door.

    It was, however, a very good touchscreen phone, and the iPhone 3G rightly recified all those hilarious oversights.
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    Image of Jesus Diaz Jesus Diaz
    09:28 AM

    @Sockatume: It was a rocking success from day one.
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    Image of clak clak
    09:37 AM

    "It was a rocking success from day one."

    Exactly darn right. Back in 2007 Apple managed to sell 270,000 iPhones in two days, despite the fact that the phone was GSM and $600.

    Let me repeat: the original iPhone was $600 and they still sold 270,ooo in two days.

    You compare that to any current phone, like the Droid selling 100,000, but at a measly $200 and it doesn't look that impressive at all.
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    Edited by clak at 12/02/09 9:40 AM clak was starred clak was unstarred
    Image of Sockatume Sockatume
    09:44 AM

    @Jesus Diaz: There's no doubt that it sold well in the US from the get-go, but you can hardly blame people for being sceptical based on the technology. Certainly it didn't do nearly as well in Europe, where 3G is taken for granted and free wi-fi wasn't as prevalent, although it'd be easier to tell if Apple hadn't hidden the sales figures. It really flew when it was actually at a technological parity with its competitors.
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    Image of NorwoodIsMyHero NorwoodIsMyHero
    09:46 AM

    @Jesus Diaz: I don't think any of them were surprised by the iPhone's launch success. If Apple and AT&T had not come up with less expensive models, irrespective of any speed or OS improvements, the iPhone's market share would have capped out very quickly.Maybe these guys were being a bit ignorant to assume this wouldn't happen, but these quotes, especially the Ballmer one, are pretty much par for the course in terms of direct competitors discussing product launches of rivals. If Apple and AT&T had not come out with a cheaper and better iPhone, his off-the-cuff predictions could very easily have been true.
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    Edited by NorwoodIsMyHero at 12/02/09 9:46 AM NorwoodIsMyHero was starred NorwoodIsMyHero was unstarred
    Image of phunnyballs phunnyballs
    09:46 AM

    @clak: I think it was more so intense marketing

    Look at this...

    The iphone was popular but it was by no means the success it has today.
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    Image of Sockatume Sockatume
    09:56 AM

    @NorwoodIsMyHero: Precisely. The original iPhone was a risky proposition that did very well, and could've easily stalled once launch fervour died out. The launch of the iPhone 3G and the App Store eliminated that risk with truly remarkable results.
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    Image of clak clak
    09:59 AM

    @phunnyballs: What the hell is your point? Ballmer and crew said that the iPhone was going to be a complete failure, so why are you bringing up irrelevant points about the iPhone 2G versus the iPhone 3G?

    Both phones were huge successes, which is why Ballmer and crew were wrong, which is the point of the original article.
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    10:07 AM

    @clak: The iPhone could've been a failure, based on what they knew about it. The iPhone 3G was never going to be one. That's reflected in the sales figures. That's his point.

    It's easy to laugh in retrospect, but a quick Google could tell you that these "assclowns" as Diaz so eloquently put it were in very good company.
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    10:12 AM

    @Sockatume: None of the guys mentioned above said that the iPhone was going to be a failure because it didn't have 3G or an App Store. They said it was going to be a failure just on general principle, so why you guys are bringing up 3Gs and the App Store?

    Again, I think you guys are trying to reframe the argument. It's really simple guys.

    A bunch of CEOs and tech writers said the iPhone was going to be a failure. It wasn't. It doesn't matter too much why they thought it was going to be a failure, they were still wrong.

    That was the point of the article, in case you still don't understand.
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    10:24 AM

    @clak: I'm assuming that they actually had reasons, and didn't just make the decision "on general principle", therefore it's reasonable to try to explain the origins of the conclusion when attempting to explain the conclusion itself.

    If they were going to pooh-pooh the iPhone regardless, then there's no discussion to make. That's certainly a possibility, but it's a boring one.
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    10:36 AM

    @clak: Lemme put it another way. The point of the article isn't simply "these individuals were wrong about the iPhone", but "these individuals are stupid for being wrong about the iPhone". That's implicit in "assclowns". Correspondingly, it's worth discussing why they might have been stupid, or might not have been stupid.
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    10:42 AM

    @Sockatume: Uh, Ballmer gave his reasons. He said the original iPhone was expensive, but now you want to argue that he thought it was going to be a failure because of 3Gs and App Stores.

    Jon Rubinstein said that the iPhone was going to be a failure because it wasn't a specialized device.

    Ed Colligan said that the iPhone was going to be a failure because he didn't think PC guys could figure out how to make a good phone.

    John Dvorak said the iPhone was going to be a failure because he's just an asshole. He has a history of predicting Apple failures (for instance, he said the Apple Stores were going to fail).

    Anssi Vanjoki said the iPhone was going to fail because the Mac had failed and was "niche" product.

    Just about all these guys gave their reasons why the iPhone was going to fail and yet you still insist on saying they thought it was going to fail because it didn't have 3G and an App Store.

    Well, your conclusion makes no sense.
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    Image of Sockatume Sockatume
    10:57 AM

    @clak: Actually, I gave reasons why it wouldn't be stupid to conclude the iPhone was going to fail. I didn't say that they were the reasons Diaz dug up, or the only way they could've drawn those conclusions. They were serious and prevalent concerns, on this side of the Atlantic at least, when Apple didn't release sales figures and people started to wonder how well it was actually doing.

    Which is to get back to my original thesis, "It wasn't moronic to be dismissive of the iPhone when it was announced".

    (You're the one who said that "[t]hey said it was going to be a failure just on general principle". Thanks for rebutting yourself.)
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    11:11 AM

    @clak: I will grant, the reasons that Diaz has highlighted are comically fatuous, especially with the benefit of hindsight, but they've been chosen because of that. You don't get to call someone an "assclown" for saying something dumb, otherwise the entire tech universe would be nothing but assclowns.
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    11:38 AM

    @Sockatume: So basically your whole point is that Ballmer and the others weren't assclowns because YOU also thought it was going to be a failure?

    So I guess we've gotten to the root of your disgust for the article.

    Sorry, but you were an assclown too.

    Why? In January of 2007 there was no reason for you to believe that there wouldn't be an iPhone 3G in the future. If you watched the keynote closely, you would have heard Steve Jobs say this:

    "iPhone is a Quad Band GSM+EDGE phone. We have decided... (clapping) ...we have decided to go with the most popular international standard, which is GSM. We are on that bandwagon, headed on that roadmap and plan to make 3G PHONES and all sorts of amazing things in the future."

    Furthermore, most of these responses above came right after MacWorld 2007, which was in January 2007. Steve Jobs didn't announce his plans for an iPhone SDK until WWDC, which was in June of 2007, that's six months after the keynote.

    So there was absolutely no reason for you or Steve Ballmer and the others to think there was not going to be an App Store, because Steve Jobs hadn't announced it yet.

    So based on this information we can confidently say that you guys are a bunch of assclowns.
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    Image of Sockatume Sockatume
    11:53 AM

    @clak: "So basically your whole point is that Ballmer and the others weren't assclowns because YOU also thought it was going to be a failure?"

    No, my whole point is that there were perfectly good reasons, echoed in the press and elsewhere at the time, and easy to bring to mind now, for thinking that the iPhone was a gamble. Ergo, they weren't assclowns, just wrong. There was hubris, but we're not talking nobody-wants-to-play-online hubris. The iPhone could've been the next Newton.

    To your specific points: Giz, and everyone else, were explicitly told that there would be an iPod-style closed system during their hands-on time, so there was no reason to expect an SDK. Apple talked up "all sorts of amazing things", but they did not exist yet.
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    Image of Hello Mister Walrus Hello Mister Walrus
    09:23 AM

    In reply to Top 5 Assclowns Laughing at the iPhone Back in 2007
    Hahaha... what suckers. Oh wait. All of these guys still have hundreds of millions of dollars in their bank accounts. I guess we're the clowns.
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    Image of Jesus Diaz Jesus Diaz
    09:28 AM

    @Hello Mister Walrus: Who cares about what money they have in their accounts? They are still clowns for being so dismissive and obtuse not to recognize and respect the enemy.
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    Image of Mysta Mysta
    09:30 AM

    @Jesus Diaz: Wonder if Steve Jobs ever laughed at Windows.
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    Image of Jesus Diaz Jesus Diaz
    09:32 AM

    @Mysta: He did, and look what happened.
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    Image of Hello Mister Walrus Hello Mister Walrus
    09:45 AM

    @Jesus Diaz: My point is that while these guys underestimated the iPhone's potential success, this was just one bad prediction in a lifetime of good decisions and spectacular accomplishments. We could ridicule Steve Ballmer for this one comment. However, he could ridicule us for our choices and lack of ability that will result in us never achieving 1% of what he has accomplished so far.
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    Image of phunnyballs phunnyballs
    09:18 AM

    In reply to Top 5 Assclowns Laughing at the iPhone Back in 2007
    Hey Guys...

    You have to remember that Apple Didn't release the App Store until 2008. They gave no indication that there were going to be apps for it in 2007. All it did in 07 was make calls, browse the web, take pictures, and text. Businessmen all over couldn't install what they needed.

    This isn't an entirely a fair comparison.

    Also, it is pretty old news. Do you really need to bring this up? really? slow news day? its 8am.

    I just dont see the point in this story at all.
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    Image of clak clak
    09:27 AM

    @phunnyballs: I don't see anything about the guys above saying that the iPhone was going to fail without an App Store, so what's your point?

    If Steve Ballmer had said, "Yeah, yeah, the iPhone is nice and all, but without apps, it's going to totally tank," then yeah, I could see your point, but none of these guys said that.
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    Image of phunnyballs phunnyballs
    09:40 AM

    @clak: what? why would they say that it would fail without an app store? It didnt have an app store. The app store is what made it a *wild* success. Look back in almost every business and medical periodical, they all say the same thing: the iphone needs a way to install 3rd party apps.
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    09:50 AM

    @phunnyballs: Dude, the original iPhone sold 270,000 phones in two days. It was a wild success from the first day.

    Apple sold 1 million of the original iPhones in two months, when it was still priced $600.

    What other smartphone in history has done that?

    Developers were climbing the walls for an SDK because it was overwhelmingly SUCCESSFUL. The App Store was just icing on the cake.
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    Edited by clak at 12/02/09 10:00 AM clak was starred clak was unstarred
    Image of phunnyballs phunnyballs
    09:52 AM

    @clak: agin. In this graph you can see the iphone sales leveling off to a quite a flat plane until the 3G/App store.

    iphone sales were leveling until the App Store came in.
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    10:21 AM

    @phunnyballs:

    So what? I still don't see what that graph has to do with the article that Jesus Diaz wrote.

    The point of the article is this: a bunch of CEOs and tech writers said the iPhone was going to fail. It didn't.

    Get it? That was the point of the article. So who cares about that graph? Do you think for one second that Apple didn't plan on releasing another phone?

    Steve Jobs said in his original keynote that they were going to make 3G phones in the future.

    A quote from Steve Jobs, MacWorld Keynote, January 9, 2007.

    "iPhone is a Quad Band GSM+EDGE phone. We have decided... (clapping) ...we have decided to go with the most popular international standard, which is GSM. We are on that bandwagon, headed on that roadmap and plan to make 3G PHONES and all sorts of amazing things in the future."

    So again, Steve Jobs laid out the iPhone road map from the very beginning and Steve Ballmer and others were wrong about its success.

    So again, what part of this article are you just not getting?
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    Sockatume promoted this comment clak was starred clak was unstarred
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    10:28 AM

    @clak: To be fair, none of that enlightening editorial is in the actual article. The article is just Diaz pointing and laughing, which I could get in Slashdot comments.
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    10:43 AM

    @Sockatume: If you hate Gizmodo so much, why don't you just leave? We won't miss you.
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    10:59 AM

    @clak: I don't hate Gizmodo, as my registration date attests. I dislike this article and disagree with its premise. If you don't like to see people having an informed discussion on the content of Gizmodo, I suggest you avoid reading the Gizmodo comments.
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    11:39 AM

    @Sockatume: I don't think you even understand the basic premise of the article. That's the problem.
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    Image of Segador Segador
    09:15 AM

    In reply to Steve Jobs Approves Knocking Live Video App Personally
    The level of influence that one man wields at that company is beautiful and terrifying. It's rare and heartening that a CEO takes this much personal interest in the small, daily goings on at the bottom.
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    Edited by Segador at 12/02/09 9:18 AM Segador was starred Segador was unstarred
    Image of mmmiles mmmiles
    11:33 AM

    @Segador: Well when a small daily going on can multiply into 10 million product sales and new useability for millions of users, it pays to keep your eyes on some details. Literally pays.
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    Image of johncon3 johncon3
    09:12 AM

    In reply to Top 5 Assclowns Laughing at the iPhone Back in 2007
    iPhone is great as a personal phone, terrible for business. Everyone in my company that has one and needs to do a lot of email 'on the go' has gone back to a phone w/ a real keyboard.
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    Image of bornonbord bornonbord
    09:14 AM

    @johncon3: Everyone in my company that has a phone with a real keyboard and needs to do a lot of email 'on the go' has switched to an iPhone.

    Well, good to know that all evened out.
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    Image of BeyondtheTech BeyondtheTech
    09:01 AM

    In reply to RedEye Makes Your iPhone a Universal Remote Control
    Considering that the iPhone is most of the hardware, you're paying for the software with its UI and a dock that looks like it basically receives information via Wi-Fi, then passes the signals via infrared.

    Thus, I will also have to agree that $188 is pretty steep.
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    Image of Jedo10 Jedo10
    05:42 AM

    In reply to Where Is My iPhone Videochat, Apple?
    I really wonder what the next feature that we will be begging for once apple implements this. I mean, we begged for 3g, then for recording video, now for Video conferencing. What is the next I wonder...
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    Edited by Jedo10 at 12/02/09 5:42 AM Jedo10 was starred Jedo10 was unstarred
    Image of zaneboy40 zaneboy40
    07:36 AM

    @Jedo10: You know, it's not the only iPhone. All of the other smartphones are in this battle to.
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    08:23 AM

    @zaneboy40: I'm rather impressed with HTC's offerings these days, although I'm still waiting for my Crackberry to die until I upgrade... RIM always seems to let me down.
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    Image of MsObsolete MsObsolete
    04:54 AM

    In reply to Where Is My iPhone Videochat, Apple?
    I like the signature on the image! Classsssy. Almost as classy as the word "assclowns." I prefer "fucknuts" myself. Or..."harlequin buttocks."

    The camera on the backside wouldn't be a problem if you just hold it up and talk in front of the mirror. Or if you video yourself from the neck down...
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    12/01/09

    In reply to AT&T Comes in Last in Consumer Reports Study That Surprises No One
    Not surprising, but I am surprised Verizon is number 1 when I have had recurring paperweight status inducing errors to my phone (On 4th one) for the last 3 months, and when I went to verizon they told me NOT A SINGLE SOUL has suffered this error before (Though I brought printouts from their site of people reporting it, they refused to see them) and blamed me repeatedly for the error, refused to comp my bill any for the downtime their incompatibility with the phone THEY SELL caused.

    "We can replace your phone, but we'd need you to sign up for another two years and to move your upgrade date."

    "But, you broke my phone, that isn't fair. This is a amss defect and another one will do it as well."

    "We can replace your phone, but we'd need you to sign up for another two years and to move your upgrade date."

    "... I'm going with AT&T, they'll give me a refurbed iphone for 50$ and charge me less a month anyway."

    "..... uhhhhhhhh"
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    01:28 AM

    @Demonbird: the same exact thing happened with my first gen chocolate years ago. The touch buttons stopped working on 3 different phones in 3 months and each time they would bitch and moan about replacing it. The last time they didn't have any in stock and they refused to even give me a discount on a single phone, even with signing a new contract. Since I was going on vacation the next day I was forced to pay full price to replace the piece of junk LG.

    I vowed to never buy another LG and to leave Verizon as soon as my contract was up, which I did when it ended around the time the iPhone 3g came out.

    Everyone is always hoping the iPhone comes to Verizon but I am praying any carrier but them gets it. The 2 years I was with them their customer service was so bad I could really care less how great their service was. No customer should be treated with such blatant disrespect.
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    Demonbird promoted this comment crsrc was starred crsrc was unstarred
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    01:30 AM

    @crsrc:
    Same deal with me, but they wanted to extend my contract just to replace with the same phon, said if Iw anted a different one I myself would choose I would have to pay full retail, though the Nokia Intrigue I have, that they sell, has incompatibilities with their network that renders it unusable.

    How has AT&T treated you?
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    03:55 AM

    @Demonbird: I haven't run into any problems with ATT (other than shitty coverage, but I rarely can't make a call and I have decent 3G at least half the time in the Bay Area).

    With the iPhone, you just deal directly with Apple for hardware problems so that side I can't really say. Apple is pretty good with replacing a broken iPhone though. I've known several people that have shattered their screens and many have gotten it replaced for free and at the very least they'll give you another for the subsidized price (although it seems that if you politely complain enough they'll always give it to you for free)
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    Image of Bokusatsu_Tenshi Bokusatsu_Tenshi
    12/01/09

    In reply to Augmented Reality Twitter App Shows You Exactly Where Your Friends Are Tweeting
    "Working late today, sorry for missing dinner" as the app points out the distance to the cheapest love hotel to the wife.
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