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10:17 AM
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11:00 AM
Why isn't that guy on TV?!
(aside from this one time.)
11:05 AM
11:08 AM
"Looks like she got the short end of the stick there, America."
10:02 AM
10:48 AM
I kid, seriously. I like having four different ways to exit apps with or without closing them. I'd get bored if there was just one, obvious way of accomplishing things.
09:49 AM
09:26 AM
It was, however, a very good touchscreen phone, and the iPhone 3G rightly recified all those hilarious oversights.
09:28 AM
09:37 AM
Exactly darn right. Back in 2007 Apple managed to sell 270,000 iPhones in two days, despite the fact that the phone was GSM and $600.
Let me repeat: the original iPhone was $600 and they still sold 270,ooo in two days.
You compare that to any current phone, like the Droid selling 100,000, but at a measly $200 and it doesn't look that impressive at all.
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09:46 AM
Look at this...
The iphone was popular but it was by no means the success it has today.
09:56 AM
09:59 AM
Both phones were huge successes, which is why Ballmer and crew were wrong, which is the point of the original article.
10:07 AM
It's easy to laugh in retrospect, but a quick Google could tell you that these "assclowns" as Diaz so eloquently put it were in very good company.
10:12 AM
Again, I think you guys are trying to reframe the argument. It's really simple guys.
A bunch of CEOs and tech writers said the iPhone was going to be a failure. It wasn't. It doesn't matter too much why they thought it was going to be a failure, they were still wrong.
That was the point of the article, in case you still don't understand.
10:24 AM
If they were going to pooh-pooh the iPhone regardless, then there's no discussion to make. That's certainly a possibility, but it's a boring one.
10:36 AM
10:42 AM
Jon Rubinstein said that the iPhone was going to be a failure because it wasn't a specialized device.
Ed Colligan said that the iPhone was going to be a failure because he didn't think PC guys could figure out how to make a good phone.
John Dvorak said the iPhone was going to be a failure because he's just an asshole. He has a history of predicting Apple failures (for instance, he said the Apple Stores were going to fail).
Anssi Vanjoki said the iPhone was going to fail because the Mac had failed and was "niche" product.
Just about all these guys gave their reasons why the iPhone was going to fail and yet you still insist on saying they thought it was going to fail because it didn't have 3G and an App Store.
Well, your conclusion makes no sense.
10:57 AM
Which is to get back to my original thesis, "It wasn't moronic to be dismissive of the iPhone when it was announced".
(You're the one who said that "[t]hey said it was going to be a failure just on general principle". Thanks for rebutting yourself.)
11:11 AM
11:38 AM
So I guess we've gotten to the root of your disgust for the article.
Sorry, but you were an assclown too.
Why? In January of 2007 there was no reason for you to believe that there wouldn't be an iPhone 3G in the future. If you watched the keynote closely, you would have heard Steve Jobs say this:
"iPhone is a Quad Band GSM+EDGE phone. We have decided... (clapping) ...we have decided to go with the most popular international standard, which is GSM. We are on that bandwagon, headed on that roadmap and plan to make 3G PHONES and all sorts of amazing things in the future."
Furthermore, most of these responses above came right after MacWorld 2007, which was in January 2007. Steve Jobs didn't announce his plans for an iPhone SDK until WWDC, which was in June of 2007, that's six months after the keynote.
So there was absolutely no reason for you or Steve Ballmer and the others to think there was not going to be an App Store, because Steve Jobs hadn't announced it yet.
So based on this information we can confidently say that you guys are a bunch of assclowns.
11:53 AM
No, my whole point is that there were perfectly good reasons, echoed in the press and elsewhere at the time, and easy to bring to mind now, for thinking that the iPhone was a gamble. Ergo, they weren't assclowns, just wrong. There was hubris, but we're not talking nobody-wants-to-play-online hubris. The iPhone could've been the next Newton.
To your specific points: Giz, and everyone else, were explicitly told that there would be an iPod-style closed system during their hands-on time, so there was no reason to expect an SDK. Apple talked up "all sorts of amazing things", but they did not exist yet.
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09:18 AM
You have to remember that Apple Didn't release the App Store until 2008. They gave no indication that there were going to be apps for it in 2007. All it did in 07 was make calls, browse the web, take pictures, and text. Businessmen all over couldn't install what they needed.
This isn't an entirely a fair comparison.
Also, it is pretty old news. Do you really need to bring this up? really? slow news day? its 8am.
I just dont see the point in this story at all.
09:27 AM
If Steve Ballmer had said, "Yeah, yeah, the iPhone is nice and all, but without apps, it's going to totally tank," then yeah, I could see your point, but none of these guys said that.
09:40 AM
09:50 AM
Apple sold 1 million of the original iPhones in two months, when it was still priced $600.
What other smartphone in history has done that?
Developers were climbing the walls for an SDK because it was overwhelmingly SUCCESSFUL. The App Store was just icing on the cake.
09:52 AM
iphone sales were leveling until the App Store came in.
10:21 AM
So what? I still don't see what that graph has to do with the article that Jesus Diaz wrote.
The point of the article is this: a bunch of CEOs and tech writers said the iPhone was going to fail. It didn't.
Get it? That was the point of the article. So who cares about that graph? Do you think for one second that Apple didn't plan on releasing another phone?
Steve Jobs said in his original keynote that they were going to make 3G phones in the future.
A quote from Steve Jobs, MacWorld Keynote, January 9, 2007.
"iPhone is a Quad Band GSM+EDGE phone. We have decided... (clapping) ...we have decided to go with the most popular international standard, which is GSM. We are on that bandwagon, headed on that roadmap and plan to make 3G PHONES and all sorts of amazing things in the future."
So again, Steve Jobs laid out the iPhone road map from the very beginning and Steve Ballmer and others were wrong about its success.
So again, what part of this article are you just not getting?
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09:14 AM
Well, good to know that all evened out.
09:01 AM
Thus, I will also have to agree that $188 is pretty steep.
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04:54 AM
The camera on the backside wouldn't be a problem if you just hold it up and talk in front of the mirror. Or if you video yourself from the neck down...
12/01/09
"We can replace your phone, but we'd need you to sign up for another two years and to move your upgrade date."
"But, you broke my phone, that isn't fair. This is a amss defect and another one will do it as well."
"We can replace your phone, but we'd need you to sign up for another two years and to move your upgrade date."
"... I'm going with AT&T, they'll give me a refurbed iphone for 50$ and charge me less a month anyway."
"..... uhhhhhhhh"
01:28 AM
I vowed to never buy another LG and to leave Verizon as soon as my contract was up, which I did when it ended around the time the iPhone 3g came out.
Everyone is always hoping the iPhone comes to Verizon but I am praying any carrier but them gets it. The 2 years I was with them their customer service was so bad I could really care less how great their service was. No customer should be treated with such blatant disrespect.
01:30 AM
Same deal with me, but they wanted to extend my contract just to replace with the same phon, said if Iw anted a different one I myself would choose I would have to pay full retail, though the Nokia Intrigue I have, that they sell, has incompatibilities with their network that renders it unusable.
How has AT&T treated you?
03:55 AM
With the iPhone, you just deal directly with Apple for hardware problems so that side I can't really say. Apple is pretty good with replacing a broken iPhone though. I've known several people that have shattered their screens and many have gotten it replaced for free and at the very least they'll give you another for the subsidized price (although it seems that if you politely complain enough they'll always give it to you for free)
12/01/09